Deno...the IPT is still very much ALIVE!

rackmsuckr

Linda Carter - The QUEEN!
Silver Member
I just wanted everyone to know that I believe Deno to be a stand up guy. I had an hour conversation with him where he was very candid with me and stated that his 3 best friends are IPT pool players and he would never do anything to hurt them and if he believed there was a chance of them not getting paid or anyone getting screwed over, he would quit in a heartbeat. He is not KT's lackey, in fact he has had differences with him on several matters and has direct input into some of KT's decisions that made it more favorable to the players.

As I had surmised in my earlier thread, Deno does not need the money and can go back to work anytime in his former profession. He is doing this for the love of pool and to make a great tour!

Deno does know the inner workings of the IPT and dispelled MANY of the rumors and second hand knowledge that has been put forth on AZB. These rumors have proliferated and taken on a life of its own here, until it seemed like fact. While much of our conversation must be kept confidential, I do have every confidence that things are rolling right along for Chicago, and that the players will get paid, one way or another, some time or another, with or without Ho.

The deal is indeed going through, HOpefully getting signed next week when Ho is in the states?

As far as the layoffs, yes, there are going to be layoffs, (no one knows for sure whom until tomorrow), for cash flow and budgetary reasons, but it is not as alarming as I had originally thought. I saw it as a sure sign that they were going down, but it really isn't. In fact, trimming the fat (my words) will allow the IPT to run leaner and more efficiently. The people involved...well, there are other reasons that can't be divulged why they are being let go, but there really are other good reasons.

I urge all those people who really do know and care for Deno to continue supporting him and his work, for others to back off the death threats, and for those who have questions to call him directly on his cell phone. I will pm it to you with his blessing if you want it. Deno is definitely on the side of us pool players and has our best interests at heart and will keep fighting for us.

I know I was upset and alarmed when I talked to Harry Platis and then I posted, but please do not yank your memberships, your qualifier entry fees or anything else. Deno did not even mention this, I am asking you myself. The IPT still has a pulse, and we can still choose to support it.

If you have any doubts or negative thoughts, PLEASE call Deno, instead of posting conjecture. I have absolutely NO doubts about his sincerity and credibility.
 
Linda in your conversation with Deno, did you ask him why they lied to the players in Reno and said that the checks were sent but that FedEx didn't deliver it on Sat because someone didn't check Sat del?

This has been one thing that has really bothered me and that they've competely ignored. We all know now that the checks weren't sent... if they had been, then they would've mailed them right back out. The checks were obviously never on their way to Reno... Has any player come out and asked Deno this?
 
I agree. It has a heartbeat.... and PLEASE don't cancel your memberships! My company worked very, very, very hard on the video section - just to entertain you guys (and gals). I think it's one of the best online pool video sections on planet earth.

It's not only about the IPT - it's about the companies like mine that busted its ass for the pool players that get hurt.

For those who cancelled - and you enjoy the video section (and there's a lot more coming).. please re-up. Don't be a nit over $6. You can't drive to Blockbuster for $6, and you have unlimited match viewing (that looks pretty damn good, I might add). Not like I pay, but if I did - I wouldn't cancel that membership until I got an HTTP 404 error when trying to view something!

Anyways, my point is you hurt more than the IPT by doing something like that - without knowing anything for fact. If something bad happens in the future, you're out $6. Give it a chance.

I'm not going to respond to any "responses" from this - good or bad - as I try to be neutral and not post on here.
 
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Timberly said:
Linda in your conversation with Deno, did you ask him why they lied to the players in Reno and said that the checks were sent but that FedEx didn't deliver it on Sat because someone didn't check Sat del?

This has been one thing that has really bothered me and that they've competely ignored. We all know now that the checks weren't sent... if they had been, then they would've mailed them right back out. The checks were obviously never on their way to Reno... Has any player come out and asked Deno this?

Yes, I did ask just that. Both KT and Deno really believed that the deal would be done and money would be freed up in time on Sunday, and then the next day, and so on, so they just stalled everyone until it became apparent that it wasn't happening 'any day' soon. The new law did throw a big monkey wrench into the works, but it still looks positive.

I also asked if we would get paid ONLY if the Ho deal went through and I do believe there are contingency plans to get the players paid.
 
I have the membership and have no intention of canceling. It is my small way of supporting the dream of bringing pool into the mainstream, and using all the available tools and resources to do so. Of course, I am pissed that KT has prolonged payment to the players. He never should have predicated payment based on other circumstances. That was not the deal. He breached the trust of the people who are the foundation of his dream.

However, I know the full evolution of the IPT and I know the totality of innovative & amazing things they have done in a short time. They have thought of thousands of details that not one of us armchair quarterbacks (who are not actually making the tournaments work) could think of. And, until the last day of Reno, the tournaments went off with only minor problems. I expect KT to make things right in Chicago and repay the loyalty of the players.

I will continue to be loyal until the IPT is no more. Hopefully that will be a long time from now.
--Steve

SpiderWebComm said:
I agree. It has a heartbeat.... and PLEASE don't cancel your memberships! My company worked very, very, very hard on the video section - just to entertain you guys (and gals). I think it's one of the best online pool video sections on planet earth.


It's not only about the IPT - it's about the companies like mine that busted it's ass for the pool players that get hurt.

For those who cancelled - and you enjoy the video section (and there's a lot more coming).. please re-up. Don't be a nit over $6. You can't drive to Blockbuster for $6, and you have unlimited match viewing (that looks pretty damn good, I might add). Not like I pay, but if I did - I wouldn't cancel that membership until I got an HTTP 404 error when trying to view something!

Anyways, my point is you hurt more than the IPT by doing something like that - without knowing anything for fact. If something bad happens in the future, you're out $6. Give it a chance.

I'm not going to respond to any "responses" from this - good or bad - as I try to be neutral and not post on here.
 
rackmsuckr said:
Yes, I did ask just that. Both KT and Deno really believed that the deal would be done and money would be freed up in time on Sunday, and then the next day, and so on, so they just stalled everyone until it became apparent that it wasn't happening 'any day' soon. The new law did throw a big monkey wrench into the works, but it still looks positive.

I also asked if we would get paid ONLY if the Ho deal went through and I do believe there are contingency plans to get the players paid.

What about the National Accouting Firm, and that the first 2 years were guaranteed by KT's own pocket, and that all players should be paid at events?

Gee, I am turning into a naysayer!!! :eek:
 
Roy Steffensen said:
What about the National Accouting Firm, and that the first 2 years were guaranteed by KT's own pocket, and that all players should be paid at events?

Gee, I am turning into a naysayer!!! :eek:
You're not turning into a naysayer, you're holding them accountable for the things they said (quite pompous & assuredly I might add) that they would do.
 
Timberly said:
You're not turning into a naysayer, you're holding them accountable for the things they said (quite pompous & assuredly I might add) that they would do.

I prefer profit of doom. Thank You.

Nick
 
Roy Steffensen said:
What about the National Accouting Firm, and that the first 2 years were guaranteed by KT's own pocket, and that all players should be paid at events?

Gee, I am turning into a naysayer!!! :eek:

Please call Deno. :)
 
Linda, with all due respect, your posting private email correspondance between you and Deno or you and KT hasn't helped matters any. People read those emails and take what they want from them. What I'm saying is that you inadvertantly fanned the flames and now you want to put the genie back in the bottle?.

Stand back and watch the perpetual motion machine do it's thing, you can't stop it now.
 
rackemsucker...<<Yes, I did ask just that. Both KT and Deno really believed that the deal would be done and money would be freed up in time on Sunday, and then the next day, and so on, so they just stalled everyone until it became apparent that it wasn't happening 'any day' soon. >>

Please know that I appreciate your passing along all this information and that you are just being a good provider of information given to you. Also know that I know Deno at at least one of the 3 best friends you referred to...and I hope this doesn't hurt my relationships with ANYONE but....time out.

Intentionally...and now admittedly LYING about the checks being lost by Fed Ex (although Deno apparently refered to that as "stalling"...and then perpetuating that lie with others...such as "We have the checks but don't have all the player's addresses"...and "We just need some tax id numbers" etc....is not "stalling" it is lying, plain and simple and there is no explanation or justification for that sort of behavior...and if anyone doesn't want to be my friend anymore because I am offended by blatant and outright lies...especially when people's livlihood is at stake...then I'll just have to live with that.

If the IPT had said...in effect..."Look people...we just don't have the money. We have been negotiating a sale for some time and genuinely thought it was going to close before the Reno money became payable but life just bit us in the ass and we simply can't pay right now...but are trying as hard as we can to solve the problem"...that would be unfortunate but MASSIVELY less offensive then just lying through their teeth.

As far as the quotes that I used go, they are what was attributed to IPT representatives by credible posters on this forum...they were NOT tendered to me personally but were confrimed to me...in essence...by IPT reps who have been in contact with me as a player sponsor regarding the last several qualifiers.

And now we are led to believe that the IPT has not even paid the REFS?? I fully understand if KT is unwilling to be personally responsible for paying out all the prize money from his own pocket but not paying the REFS!!!

That just STINKS.

Hey, if the purported sale to Ho takes place, which I find difficult to believe, I will cheer for all the players and especially the qualifiers...many of whom have literally missed meals in order to pay the price of admission. And I will applaud the GUTS of many of those guys who...in the face of all the naysayers...went ahead and ponied up the money to enter the qualifiers and DID qualify in many cases because no one else showed up.

WAY TO PLAY GUTS FOOTBALL you guys!!!!!!!!!!

But once people start telling bald faced lies then it is difficult to take anything else they say seriously.

Of course, all in my personal opinion.
Jim
 
you're right

But once people start telling bald faced lies then it is difficult to take anything else they say seriously.


Of course, all in my personal opinion.
Jim[/QUOTE]


I do agree with you here.....although Linda evidently has a change of heart because she spoke to Deno, the lying cannot be washed away.....that's just no way to do business......what would the harm have been if they just told the truth?
 
wahcheck...<<I do agree with you here.....although Linda evidently has a change of heart because she spoke to Deno, the lying cannot be washed away.....that's just no way to do business......what would the harm have been if they just told the truth?>>

Thanks for that. And yes, not only would there have been little harm but probably a lot of sympathy and "nice try guys." Let me HURRIDLY qualify that statement by saying that it would apply only if there had not been so much BS floated by the IPT from the beginning...the most charitable characterization of which would be over-zealousness.

But I don't think that most people would be so bitterly negative JUST BECAUSE a business failed that was entered into with good intentions. Failure is, in fact, a necessary aspect of the free enterprise system that is BASED on risk-taking. Sometimes you're windshield and sometimes you are the bug.

But, if you are a liar you are a liar...period.

Regards,
Jim
 
Come on Charlie Brown, I promise not to pull the football away when you kick it this time. I wouldn't make a friend look like a fool again & go flying thru the air when you missed the ball.


I guess Deno only talks to women because only Linda & Eydie have come on here to talk about their wonderful phone calls with him that are just full of praise of how self righteous & stand up type of guy he is. Afterwards, all bad is swept under the rug & only good can be seen for the future. This guy is amazing. Guess with all his negotiations with international billionaires like HO, Deno doesn't have time to answer the phone for any man, let alone come on here and type a few words that could stand the test of time. Hey Timberly, give him a call.
 
watchez said:
Come on Charlie Brown, I promise not to pull the football away when you kick it this time. I wouldn't make a friend look like a fool again & go flying thru the air when you missed the ball.


I guess Deno only talks to women because only Linda & Eydie have come on here to talk about their wonderful phone calls with him that are just full of praise of how self righteous & stand up type of guy he is. Afterwards, all bad is swept under the rug & only good can be seen for the future. This guy is amazing. Guess with all his negotiations with international billionaires like HO, Deno doesn't have time to answer the phone for any man, let alone come on here and type a few words that could stand the test of time. Hey Timberly, give him a call.

GOOD PHONE is always wonderfull to receive. ;)
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I agree. It has a heartbeat.... and PLEASE don't cancel your memberships! My company worked very, very, very hard on the video section - just to entertain you guys (and gals). I think it's one of the best online pool video sections on planet earth.

It's not only about the IPT - it's about the companies like mine that busted its ass for the pool players that get hurt.

For those who cancelled - and you enjoy the video section (and there's a lot more coming).. please re-up. Don't be a nit over $6. You can't drive to Blockbuster for $6, and you have unlimited match viewing (that looks pretty damn good, I might add). Not like I pay, but if I did - I wouldn't cancel that membership until I got an HTTP 404 error when trying to view something!

Anyways, my point is you hurt more than the IPT by doing something like that - without knowing anything for fact. If something bad happens in the future, you're out $6. Give it a chance.

I'm not going to respond to any "responses" from this - good or bad - as I try to be neutral and not post on here.

Good luck to you Spider, but this is defintely not a neutral post.
 
rackmsuckr said:
I just wanted everyone to know that I believe Deno to be a stand up guy. I had an hour conversation with him where he was very candid with me and stated that his 3 best friends are IPT pool players and he would never do anything to hurt them and if he believed there was a chance of them not getting paid or anyone getting screwed over, he would quit in a heartbeat. He is not KT's lackey, in fact he has had differences with him on several matters and has direct input into some of KT's decisions that made it more favorable to the players.

As I had surmised in my earlier thread, Deno does not need the money and can go back to work anytime in his former profession. He is doing this for the love of pool and to make a great tour!

Deno does know the inner workings of the IPT and dispelled MANY of the rumors and second hand knowledge that has been put forth on AZB. These rumors have proliferated and taken on a life of its own here, until it seemed like fact. While much of our conversation must be kept confidential, I do have every confidence that things are rolling right along for Chicago, and that the players will get paid, one way or another, some time or another, with or without Ho.

The deal is indeed going through, HOpefully getting signed next week when Ho is in the states?

As far as the layoffs, yes, there are going to be layoffs, (no one knows for sure whom until tomorrow), for cash flow and budgetary reasons, but it is not as alarming as I had originally thought. I saw it as a sure sign that they were going down, but it really isn't. In fact, trimming the fat (my words) will allow the IPT to run leaner and more efficiently. The people involved...well, there are other reasons that can't be divulged why they are being let go, but there really are other good reasons.

I urge all those people who really do know and care for Deno to continue supporting him and his work, for others to back off the death threats, and for those who have questions to call him directly on his cell phone. I will pm it to you with his blessing if you want it. Deno is definitely on the side of us pool players and has our best interests at heart and will keep fighting for us.

I know I was upset and alarmed when I talked to Harry Platis and then I posted, but please do not yank your memberships, your qualifier entry fees or anything else. Deno did not even mention this, I am asking you myself. The IPT still has a pulse, and we can still choose to support it.

If you have any doubts or negative thoughts, PLEASE call Deno, instead of posting conjecture. I have absolutely NO doubts about his sincerity and credibility.


PUHLEEESE Linda. I only have about 100 questions for him, most of which have been asked on here countless times. Where has Napoleon been while France was burning?
 
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rackmsuckr said:
If you have any doubts or negative thoughts, PLEASE call Deno, instead of posting conjecture. I have absolutely NO doubts about his sincerity and credibility.

If you don't want responses then why post this? :rolleyes:
Call Deno? For what? lol You sound as bad as Jasper now. Now, Linda, tell me, should I send in my six bucks so I can watch the Chicago event live on my PC, or should David and I just show up in Chi-town for some first class spectatorin'? I wonder how that would go over...hmmm. How about... I don't call Deno and I just use this opportunity to LMAO at the fact that you say we should all call Deno!!! That's what I am going to do! If he lied to you again (...I mean hey - come on ... let's look at their record) what then? Call Deno again? lol He doesn't care about you, Linda. Too bad you can't see that.
 
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