Im sure he will do a great job wherever it goes. I stated that the reason the tournament was moving was because the Executive would not be able to house the tournament after the remodel. Who knows it may be even bigger.
Derby City Classic 2009
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BIGNASTY, When is the next TAR broadcast.
I certainly hope that the rooms are gonna be less than $100 for the low end rooms. I simply cannot see paying that much, and getting the bottom of the barrel.
Russ
Russ
These are the prices they quoted me for Friday Jan 16th through Saturday Jan 24th not including tax, $150 $250 $230 $100 $100 $100 $100 $150 $250. That is with 2 adults only.
$TAKE HOR$E said:
100% for sure you will see the casino's grab the majority of the action,
and yes the end of era is here, not to blame anyone for it, but with the change in the economy, people losing their jobs, costs of travelling, rooms. everything will be different.
But the oppertunity for a new era is here if the DCC as it was is gone, so all is not lost, Greg is a sharp business man for sure, I have full confidence in him to get a event put together, however he will see the power of the casino to be a action killer should he go down that path this year. Perhaps he dosent have a choice and we might just have a bad year and 2010 might be the start of a new era and hopefully we will also have a good economy. I know for a fact Greg will make it work in the long run.
Jimmy M. said:
Agreed.. The casino having so many new people during the tournament time, Who do you think they will be looking out for? The casinos best interest of course.
I mentioned that in the Exec after hours there was always a room open 24hrs for play. If the casino has a room like this and shuts it down at a certain hour where do you think all those people will move to?
The casino tables of course.. and I'm sure they are already thinking of that. I guess we will just have to wait and see.. But I think the rooms being $100 plus tax at the min is a bad start already for the ones who attend the tournament.
I don't know.. I just see so much that can go wrong here in having it at a casino. I know when I was in Mississippi for one of Gradys events being held at the casino, You could find everyone at the casino tables after the tournament was over for the night.
That event consisted of 9 ball, 1 pocket, and a bar table event.
Just my worthless opinions of course.. Time will tell.. and I wish the event all the best as it really was something special to attend.
Nine Ball said:
you know, I know, we all know...The casio is the BIGGEST action killer, second to internet poker. or the other way around. Were dead until it gets moved into a non-gaming hotel that aint near a cardroom. There are a zillion ways things to go wrong, guys cant even bring in their own refresments to drink either a move like that will put the breaks on the pool tournment fast, the casion wont tollerate that. Or big wads of cash, guys booking action and posting bets-there are cameras everywhere, what are we gonna do?-go freeze our nuts off and post up out past the parking lot because the whole parking lot has cameras covering that., Or posting up in the hotel rooms and getting robbed in the room. Way to much "Law" enforcement on people who will break the law, and the casio dosent want a gaming comission investigation to account for people betting elicetly around the bankquet rooms for BIG $$$$, and Scooter and me yelling and screaming for more action. Casions protect their licences and that type of betting aint gonna be allowed the will come in and bust up the game instantly. Hell we might as well set up a game at the Police station to save some time. So were gonna have a big reunion of freinds playing races to 7. The paramutial on the Bank, 10 Ball ring games is gone too cause the casio dosent have a piece of it.
I remember when they moved a pool room across a big street next to a card room, it killed the pool rooms action for ever it was a 1/2 mile move at the most, But a hole in the fence between the the card and pool rooms as all it took. I would be playing $50 sets giving up the world and the guy I might win a hunderd from was next door at the card room going off $1500 that night, if the pool room didnt move across the street and there wasnt a card room RIGHT THERE the action would have stayed in pool, Cards is easier to go off on because you just blame the cards "Bad Beat" I aint heard that in a pool room-I aint seen the $$$ in a pool room like a card room either.
Your 100% right.
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FATBOY, if this is like you say and all non casino betting will be busted then that will be bad business for the event. What do yo uthink they would do if you and Bucktooth came in a flipped for 10 dimes, they aint gonna like you not blowing that money in their establishment.
$TAKE HOR$E said:
Maybe they'll ask all bets be posted through the casino, with the casino getting a cut.
The DCC anywhere except for Louisville, just ain't the DCC. Even if its just across the river in Indiana. JMHO. I'm just happy I made it 2008 seeing the direction(or lack thereof) it seems to be going. I will go to whatever event is held in its place in 2009, and do genuinely hope that it surprises me and I find everything the DCC was and more.
$TAKE HOR$E said:
If we had the cash out and flipped a coin? I'm sure they would take us in the back of the casino and question us tell us that we are breaking the law etc.... and let it go, if we did it again they would just ban us from comming back, they have no legal right to cease the $$, but they sure as hell wouldnt let us stay, becuase its knocking their action and more importantly to them they have to comply with the gaming regs the State Governs them with and customers gambling with each other is (Im pretty sure) againstthe law and that would draw heat on the casino, they have to protect their gaming licence at all costs. So guys gambling with each other aint part of the picture for a tournment,
It has been OK in Reno at the Sands all these years, The Sands has turned a blind eye on it, but Reno is pretty relaxed about gaming enforcement compaired to Vegas, I have been to a fe other casinos and they are strict real strict about gaming laws, only Reno is relaxed-they are desperate and need the business, any business nowdays, Reno is history for the most part.
I have heard that there is an understanding with the casino about the action. Look at it this way. Greg is going to sell out their hotel for 9 days in a historically dead time of year for them. The economy is in the dumper and I am sure they like the idea of a hotel full of gamblers. I doubt they are going to queer the deal over guys matching up in the practice room.
You can't flip quarters, throw dice, or roll Keno at the Derby either in a big loud group of people. It always has gotten broken up eventually by either staff or the cops. There is an action pit in Vegas at the BCA that has seen some solid matches as well as the Sands in Reno. The casino's don't say a word about the action. Hell we streamed action LIVE from the Riv and the Sands and never heard a peep.
I was and still am against having events in casinos because they do have an effect on the action but at the same time I realize that an event at a casino beats the hell out of no event at all. Greg is a smart guy, he built the Derby. He knows what people love about it and why they come. He wouldn't make a deal that cuts out one of his passions and the reason many come in the first place.
The upside of doing it at Caesar's is that the food will be better by a factor of 100, the rooms will be much nicer and overall the event will take on a new look and have that new car smell I will sorely miss the Booze Sellar, The Chapel and the Action Room but I am sure there will be new legends and memories made.
Let's give him a chance to tell us the final details before we start with the gloom and doom. I don't care if he holds the Derby at a rest stop on I-64 in a blizzard. I am going to be there.
You can't flip quarters, throw dice, or roll Keno at the Derby either in a big loud group of people. It always has gotten broken up eventually by either staff or the cops. There is an action pit in Vegas at the BCA that has seen some solid matches as well as the Sands in Reno. The casino's don't say a word about the action. Hell we streamed action LIVE from the Riv and the Sands and never heard a peep.
I was and still am against having events in casinos because they do have an effect on the action but at the same time I realize that an event at a casino beats the hell out of no event at all. Greg is a smart guy, he built the Derby. He knows what people love about it and why they come. He wouldn't make a deal that cuts out one of his passions and the reason many come in the first place.
The upside of doing it at Caesar's is that the food will be better by a factor of 100, the rooms will be much nicer and overall the event will take on a new look and have that new car smell
I will sorely miss the Booze Sellar, The Chapel and the Action Room but I am sure there will be new legends and memories made. Let's give him a chance to tell us the final details before we start with the gloom and doom. I don't care if he holds the Derby at a rest stop on I-64 in a blizzard. I am going to be there.
sad but true
I have been to every single DCC, and have a sick feeling in my stomach that tells me I won't be attending this year. I'm trying to be optimistic, but I feel that it is impossible for things to be the same. There was nothing like walking down those hallways at the Executive West, pouncing back and forth from the front action room, to the tournament room, up the stairs, and as the venue progressed, eventually across the street and then back through the whole process about 50 times a day. The lovely staff there that was appreciative of the big tips often left while enjoying the breakfast buffet, knowing they usually threw in a few special requests (if you had the right waitress). There was something about packing that hotel with all of us that made me feel great. Even though everybody was trying to gamble with each other, there was a sense of commrodity and pride amongst all. I feel that with the overwhelming casino style atmosphere, compts, and an abundance of law enforcement, the DCC is going to be a sweet memory. Again, I'm being completely optimistic about the event and hope I'm completely wrong. I just feel like if I plan on things being not as good, then I won't be disappointed.
I have been to every single DCC, and have a sick feeling in my stomach that tells me I won't be attending this year. I'm trying to be optimistic, but I feel that it is impossible for things to be the same. There was nothing like walking down those hallways at the Executive West, pouncing back and forth from the front action room, to the tournament room, up the stairs, and as the venue progressed, eventually across the street and then back through the whole process about 50 times a day. The lovely staff there that was appreciative of the big tips often left while enjoying the breakfast buffet, knowing they usually threw in a few special requests (if you had the right waitress). There was something about packing that hotel with all of us that made me feel great. Even though everybody was trying to gamble with each other, there was a sense of commrodity and pride amongst all. I feel that with the overwhelming casino style atmosphere, compts, and an abundance of law enforcement, the DCC is going to be a sweet memory. Again, I'm being completely optimistic about the event and hope I'm completely wrong. I just feel like if I plan on things being not as good, then I won't be disappointed.
I see your point but the bottom line is that the Executive West as we knew it is gone. The only options were move or cancel. Greg looked all over the place for a venue and even came here for suggestions. My whole point is that whatever he puts on will be better than the event dieing. I was publicly against having it in a casino but I understand the reasons why it going to be at one and I am going to support Greg and the event until something convinces me otherwise.Nine Ball said:
I agree it is a shame things couldnt stay the same but that is just what happens. Adapt or die. I don't think anything will be like the years at Executive West but that doesn't mean the new era can't be just as special. We do not know anything for sure about the event yet. Dates, room rates, schedule, events , nothing. Until we do I just think it is premature to sound the death knell.
If the room rates are higher, and I would bet they will be, it may cut some people out, make them not stay as long or stick four in a room. All of those beat not having a tournament to go to. It seems many people here are against the casino due to the table games and machines sucking up the action. Do something about it. Tell your buddies not to fall into the trap and dont do it yourself. Most will anyway but at least we are doing something besides adding to the problem.
It wouldn't surprise me if it is off this year due to the gas and expense but I really feel that after a year or two people will see and hear what is happening and come back. I hope nobody leaves and the pool world does its best to show support for the most important pool event in our lifetime. Mine anyway.
I cant believe that people are being such pecimists. I think the Casino will be a big draw for a lot of people who would otherwise not go. Look at the APA BCA and VNEA national tournaments in Vegas, they are huge. Do you think if they had those events at the polk county fairgrounds the attendence would be as high? HELL NO.
The way I look at it is we are going get an attendence boost. Maybe its the shot in the arm that pool needs
As far as the room rates, I am sure Greg is negotiating that right now. I garuntee we wont be paying full price for rooms.
I wish we would all hold judgement until after the event when we can make an honest assesment and not what we think it might be like
The way I look at it is we are going get an attendence boost. Maybe its the shot in the arm that pool needs
As far as the room rates, I am sure Greg is negotiating that right now. I garuntee we wont be paying full price for rooms.
I wish we would all hold judgement until after the event when we can make an honest assesment and not what we think it might be like
1on1pooltournys said:
Another way to look at the change is, when one door closes another door opens. Change is good. It is the spice of life. Without change we may as well turn out the light.
The new location wherever that will be will be something new, something to explore. It's all about the journey and I'm sure there will be things that we like and things that we dislike but the bottom line is, it's still THE DERBY CITY CLASSIC.
I won't miss some of the negative things from The Action Room. There were a few things that I accepted or overlooked that I think a Casino will not let happen. Don't set me on fire. I just didn't care for the smell of the room, the smoke, the beer bottles and the wall to wall people. I like a chair to sit in when I'm not playing and I don't want to smell someone else's beer bottle on my table if I'm lucky enough to have one to sit/stand by.
Maybe we should have Gambler's Anonymous give us online suggestions as to how we can hold on to our cash a little longer. Maybe the gamblers should give all of their money to non-gamblers to hold with strict instructions that the money not be allowed to be used for gambling in the casino. (at least until the last day)
I personally like the idea of discovering up close, how the Derby City Classic is going to be different and look forward to traveling down that path.
JoeyA
Greg will make the DCC event fun and exciting, that I am not worried about. The food will likely be better but it might be more expensive. Hopefully we will get a room block from Caesars that will be under 100 a night.
Also, I dont think you will see Bucktooth flipping for 10k. 50/50 odds are not good enough for that guy.
Also, I dont think you will see Bucktooth flipping for 10k. 50/50 odds are not good enough for that guy.
chris_williams said:
APA BCA and VNEA are not for pool players. These are for socialites who enjoy playing pool, hence the concern everyone here has. I am not dogging the leagues, I even play in the APA; but I have only seen 3 people aside from my group from our 2,000 member APA area attend DCC.