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Sheldon

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jay helfert

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Anybody find the prize money payouts yet. That seems to be either the best kept secret or an elephant in the room, depending on your point of view.
 

Bob Jewett

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... shot clocks at 41 tables is an impossibility.
Chess clocks have been used successfully for carom and pool. They cost around $50 each and are operated by the players. But you don't need them on every table, just the ones with repeat offenders.

The main problem now is that one slow match can stop the entire event as you wait for the redraw. The current format is the main cause.
 

justnum

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Chess clocks have been used successfully for carom and pool. They cost around $50 each and are operated by the players. But you don't need them on every table, just the ones with repeat offenders.

The main problem now is that one slow match can stop the entire event as you wait for the redraw. The current format is the main cause.

Requiring a check in and check out for matches would make managing slow players easier. What policy would you make for slow players? Sudden death, shootout or current scores is final score?
 

alphadog

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Requiring a check in and check out for matches would make managing slow players easier. What policy would you make for slow players? Sudden death, shootout or current scores is final score?
Slow death is what they deserve.
 

Sheldon

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Anybody find the prize money payouts yet. That seems to be either the best kept secret or an elephant in the room, depending on your point of view.
Chad (in the video I posted above) mentioned that the payouts were posted, not sure where though. He also addressed where the buyback money goes.
Well, once again, the event itself is not a pro event, okay? A pro tour event. So if you look at the payout and the payout is posted now so that you can see every dollar of the entry fee and where that it went and there were over 375 players that cashed in. Okay? So no, it's not top heavy, but because it's not a real pro tournament, the other part of that is that's why we do Master the Table though, so it can be. So you do get at least that the crime de la crem of the players that do get an additional $25,000. I looked at the play and looked at the payout and it's always been that Greg wanted to pay out more players than to make it just top heavy. Because Greg and I even told Greg one time, I said, why doesn't the Master of the Table get all the 25,000? I don't even think that second and third should get 3 or 2 thousand. I think Master of the Table is one. Now, you can make an argument for it either way, okay? Greg won out, right? So that was his decision to do it.
Sure, I'll be happy to comment on it. The buyback money goes into first off, it goes into the rooms. So for all of the past champions. They all receive a free room for ten days, and we pay just like what you guys do for the hotel rooms there. We spend about $50,000 on hotel rooms, just in hotel rooms. So that's part of it. The master of the table is part of it, and the Accustats crew, they're part of it, and it doesn't go that far. So it's those it doesn't stretch out quite that far. Everybody assumes how much, but that's about where it goes.
I don't have 30 different places around right now to choose from. It's just not that simple. So what we're doing is giving back to the pool. And we are doing it because we're trying to advertise for Diamond Accustats. We pay for Accustats to be there. We want Accustats in there to put matches out, great matches out of the great players from all over the world. And on diamond tables, we get advertising. So there's a very selfish reason why we're doing this event. But rest assured, if this event were this great big, everybody says you're making X amount of money, you're making millions of dollars, you're doing all these things. If we were doing that if we were doing that, I'd put on twelve of them. Hey, I've got everything to do it. Don't think I can't package it up. It's all mobile. I can drive right now. I've got everything loaded up in three semis and three box trucks, and I could go to the next venue. Okay? I could drive straight to the next venue and do it again. That's not what this is about. This is about creating advertising for diamond. And to be quite honest with you, I can't find the right venues
The above quotes may not be exact, they are computer generated from the video.
 

Bob Jewett

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I know people have mentioned the food and even Greg mentioned it. Again its subjective. I think everyone can agree that it is expensive to eat there, but again, its a casino so that's expected. I just fail to see how Greg can go to the casino and have the casino alter their menu just for an event that is 10 days out of 365. Maybe have a DCC special for that time frame but just don't see the casino changing their menu for that.
I don’t think I am too picky, but I definitely can see how people can have an issue with the food situation.

My main thing was the line for the grill at times. That was the only option at the time. (After 8pm I believe). I am guessing that they permanently shut down the cantina and pizza spot in the food court. I was thinking it might make a big difference if they were able to even make a handful of pizzas, and sell slices…even if only open for a few hours.
 

stevelomako

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Chess clocks have been used successfully for carom and pool. They cost around $50 each and are operated by the players. But you don't need them on every table, just the ones with repeat offenders.

The main problem now is that one slow match can stop the entire event as you wait for the redraw. The current format is the main cause.
Bob, with this format you don’t have to wait to see who wins to do a draw.

You just do the draw accordingly. It’s not hard to figure it out, there’s only a few options.

This is not an excuse at all if someone is using it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Fatboy

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Chess clocks have been used successfully for carom and pool. They cost around $50 each and are operated by the players. But you don't need them on every table, just the ones with repeat offenders.

The main problem now is that one slow match can stop the entire event as you wait for the redraw. The current format is the main cause.
The clocks are closer to $15 in quantity these days. I’ve seen them below $10. The cost is trivial
 

Bob Jewett

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The clocks are closer to $15 in quantity these days. I’ve seen them below $10. The cost is trivial
I'm talking about the tournament-quality electronic ones, like you might see in a championship. They're overkill, but you probably don't have to worry about them, like when the player is a little angry when switching times.
 

Bob Jewett

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Bob, with this format you don’t have to wait to see who wins to do a draw.

You just do the draw accordingly. It’s not hard to figure it out, there’s only a few options.
I believe that the current software actually has that feature built in. There can still be delays. Towards the end of the nine ball, I think one match in round 12 had finished before all matches in 11 had started, or something like that.
 

stevelomako

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I have a place that blows Horseshoe Southern Indiana right out of the water. It’s probably better than Vegas or Atlantic City or Reno.

I talked to Greg about it a few years ago and he didn’t want to deal with it then and asked if I’d be interested in doing it.

They are probably even more receptive now than they would have been then.
I believe that the current software actually has that feature built in. There can still be delays. Towards the end of the nine ball, I think one match in round 12 had finished before all matches in 11 had started, or something like that.
That’s why a long match isn’t an excuse for a round not starting.
 

Bob Jewett

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... That’s why a long match isn’t an excuse for a round not starting.
That's true, but.... It's more work with some risk of error if you do "speculative starts". Matches can still stack up if there is one slow player and heaven help us if he has a buy-back in the final rounds.
 

jay helfert

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The AZB tournament results section has them. Here you go for the nine ball. A little over $100,000 for the nine ball:

Thanks Bob! I found all the payouts. Nice to see old timers like David Matlock, Ike Runnels, Dan Louie and others cashing. I was glad to see Jesse Engel going deep too. I always liked his game. He could possibly help our MC team if he played more. Billy Thorpe actually had a decent tourney. He looked worn out at the WPC.

A lot of good players made money there. No wonder they keep going back. Filler actually did well with his three top fives. I see Alex, Gomez and Garcia with a few high finishes. Just one top five finish will pay your expenses. Many players cashed in all three, but you needed top ten or so to make decent money.
 
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stevelomako

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That's true, but.... It's more work with some risk of error if you do "speculative starts". Matches can still stack up if there is one slow player and heaven help us if he has a buy-back in the final rounds.
Bob, if it’s the final rounds there plenty of tables and not many people left.

There is no risk of error because whatever ‘speculative start’ you would have…would be at the end of that round so there’s plenty of time to correct or change anything.
 

iusedtoberich

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He is playing a little more lately, and plans to play the MC point tournaments.
He and Landon would have probably been the Skylar's of the past 10 years if they kept playing. I guess pro level players have to make that difficult decision (to play or get a dayjob), whereas us amateurs never do.
 
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