Deuel was there, what happened?

crawfish

crawfish

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Since noone else will ask, what happened to Corey giving up all of this weight to those guys he was standing within feet of? Everyone was there that was mentioned in the previous post. Was there any action? I haven't heard of any. Was McWhorter there? Fill me in guys! I had to go to the beach for a wedding.
 
jamie was there but not much happened. last I heard SVB and corey were trying to matchup..but no one can confirm it actually happened.

jamie woofed some more at jesse bowman, who's in vegas btw. Jess gave them several games to play and they wouldn't bite on any of them. Jess guaranteed $20k in action if they would travel over there (his backer will not leave vegas for a pool game)...he said he would jack it if that wasn't enough!...but it doesn't look like they'll make it. jess said he is tired of talking about the game...he just wants to get down after 18 months of woofing.
 
crawfish said:
Since noone else will ask, what happened to Corey giving up all of this weight to those guys he was standing within feet of? Everyone was there that was mentioned in the previous post. Was there any action? I haven't heard of any. Was McWhorter there? Fill me in guys! I had to go to the beach for a wedding.
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The word was that Jamie W. bet all his money 7k giving Billy I. 7-2 on the money taking the field against Mike Banks. Jamie won the bet, I was sitting next to him and Billy during the race to 21 when Mike was up 19-17 over Shane Billy offered to settle our for 3k and Jamie turned him down saying he was going all the way with Shane regardless and Shane pulled it out. The tournament was brutal and the players were wiped after playing three hour rounds. On Saturday Shane V. posted up 2k to play Orcollo 8-ball on the bar table but Orcollo wanted the play alternate break so the game did not come off. A lot of people discussed matching up but from Thursday through Sunday this is a break down of the major matches.

Friday - Saturday - Local club owner plays Carl B. for major action bar table races to 7 for several dimes and loses 3 sets over the two days.
Thursday - Corey vs Orcollo race to 5 one pocket for 1k, Ocrollo wins 5-3
Friday - Townsend over Kiamco - 8 ahead for 1k on bar table.
Friday - Sunday - Billy Incardona played Brian Jones one pocket for several different sessions one pocket Billy getting 10-8 (winner), Billy getting 10-9 (pushed three seperate sessions).

I think that sums up the action.
 
mosconiac said:
jamie was there but not much happened. last I heard SVB and corey were trying to matchup..but no one can confirm it actually happened.

jamie woofed some more at jesse bowman, who's in vegas btw. Jess gave them several games to play and they wouldn't bite on any of them. Jess guaranteed $20k in action if they would travel over there (his backer will not leave vegas for a pool game)...he said he would jack it if that wasn't enough!...but it doesn't look like they'll make it. jess said he is tired of talking about the game...he just wants to get down after 18 months of woofing.
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In coreys and jamies defense...

They sounded ready to take the next flight to vegas if jesses team would POST the money, not just "promise 20 k in action"

Also, jesse only wanted to play races and corey wanted to play a longer headset (20 ahead). From hearing the banter live, IMO corey/jamie were more than ready to play.

just my 2 cents.
Ian
 
it did sound like corey/jamie was ready to play, but if ANYONE knows anything about Jesse, if he is promising to play then they should take his word. Always has been a stand up guy and world class player. He is living out in vegas now and I wish him the best of luck. Last I heard about the whole matchup last nite, he said corey had guaranteed 50k action, and a free plane ticket out there. I think Deuel and SVB are supposed to play this afternoon (2-3-4pm?) something like 15 ahead for 10k? or something around that. The guys at TAR said they would b up and running if it happens.
 
one more thing about this thread! mad props gotta go out to Jamie Mc. That guy has a ton of gamble in him. I talked w/him shortly on saturday evening. fairly nice guy and loves the game and to gamble.
 
Good to hear after all of this internet banter. I don't have disposable income like I used to, but sounds like the place to be. So... Mcwhorter gave Billy 7-2 that Banks wouldn't win? Seven grand to two grand? I don't get it.
 
xianmacx said:
In coreys and jamies defense...
They sounded ready to take the next flight to vegas if jesses team would POST the money, not just "promise 20 k in action"
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I don't know you and I'm not looking for an internet argument...but I heard a different story. Jess asked Duff (who was in Olathe) to post for him and he did. Jess took that argument off the table. Further, he was offering to fly people in just to stop the talking.
xianmacx said:
Also, jesse only wanted to play races and corey wanted to play a longer headset (20 ahead). From hearing the banter live, IMO corey/jamie were more than ready to play.
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Jess has more going on in his life than playing a 20-ahead set with someone. That could take a week or two to settle if the game is close. He wants a game where someone can win or lose something...not play for 10 days and quit even. He offered several different (reasonable) games and they stuck tight to the 20-ahead stuff. That's one helluva long ahead set in anyone's book. Look at the COM, it came down to 3 games after 3 days of play!

If you go back in time, jamie offered a game, Jess (among several others) accepted, and they are back to negotiating a game with him. How many concessions does Jess need to make before they get down?

pokercartel is right. Jess said he would guarantee more if $20k wasn't enough to get them there. There are few restrictions on Jess' end.
 
Props To Billy For Almost Getting There With His Bet

crawfish said:
So... Mcwhorter gave Billy 7-2 that Banks wouldn't win? Seven grand to two grand? I don't get it.
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Ah, Jamie had the WHOLE FIELD (which included very good players and Favorites)..... what's so hard to figure ?
Doug
( imo.. it's like a 15 horse field in the Kentucky Derby and someone gets the whole field including the top four favorites, except an 8-1 shot )
 
mosconiac said:
I don't know you and I'm not looking for an internet argument...but I heard a different story. Jess asked Duff (who was in Olathe) to post for him and he did. Jess took that argument off the table. Further, he was offering to fly people in just to stop the talking.

Neither am I. I'm just passing on how I interpreted the conversation heard on the webcam. I must have went to bed before the part about Duff. I did hear them drop to a 15 ahead offer, which IMO on a bar table is a good length set for these 2 world class players. again, all just IMO.
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Smorgass Bored said:
Ah, Jamie had the WHOLE FIELD (which included very good players and Favorites)..... what's so hard to figure ?
Doug
( imo.. it's like a 15 horse field in the Kentucky Derby and someone gets the whole field including the top four favorites, except an 8-1 shot )
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Yeah but that 8-1 horse had a 1/4 track lead on the rest of the field when the bet was placed. I still think its super strong that Billy made such a close call only halfway into the tourney.
 
mosconiac said:
I don't know you and I'm not looking for an internet argument...but I heard a different story. Jess asked Duff (who was in Olathe) to post for him and he did. Jess took that argument off the table. Further, he was offering to fly people in just to stop the talking.

Jess has more going on in his life than playing a 20-ahead set with someone. That could take a week or two to settle if the game is close. He wants a game where someone can win or lose something...not play for 10 days and quit even. He offered several different (reasonable) games and they stuck tight to the 20-ahead stuff. That's one helluva long ahead set in anyone's book. Look at the COM, it came down to 3 games after 3 days of play!

If you go back in time, jamie offered a game, Jess (among several others) accepted, and they are back to negotiating a game with him. How many concessions does Jess need to make before they get down?

pokercartel is right. Jess said he would guarantee more if $20k wasn't enough to get them there. There are few restrictions on Jess' end.
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I thought that Jesse could not find someone to post with but Guaranteed them at least 20k in action. There was some talk about finding someone in Vegas to post with at one time.
No matter what I believe that I would take a stab at a guy with a millionaire backer. Its not easy action but theres a good chance at winning good money..... or is there? I dont know Jesse's backer.

As for the match and its length. Jesse proposed races to 15 and you had to be up three sets to collect. That could take a while.

I thought that Corey and SVB were going to play today. Is that going to go off?
 
frankncali said:
...I would take a stab at a guy with a millionaire backer. Its not easy action but theres a good chance at winning good money.....
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Amen brother! That's what makes this behavior most peculiar. Jess' backer isn't a nit. He'll bet...believe that!
 
xianmacx said:
In coreys and jamies defense...

They sounded ready to take the next flight to vegas if jesses team would POST the money, not just "promise 20 k in action"

Also, jesse only wanted to play races and corey wanted to play a longer headset (20 ahead). From hearing the banter live, IMO corey/jamie were more than ready to play.

just my 2 cents.
Ian
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Thanks Ian, but I just don't buy that crap about posting the money. 20K is chump change to Jesse's backer. He's a fr'kin Gazillionaire. You post when Corey and Jesse make a game, and are ready to play. No sooner.

I think it has a lot more to do with the structure of the match, whether it's a Race or an Ahead set.
 
jay helfert said:
Thanks Ian, but I just don't buy that crap about posting the money. 20K is chump change to Jesse's backer. He's a fr'kin Gazillionaire. You post when Corey and Jesse make a game, and are ready to play. No sooner.

I think it has a lot more to do with the structure of the match, whether it's a Race or an Ahead set.
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gotcha,

In you opinion Jay, what is the best set structure for 2 world class players on a bartable to show which player is truely better?

thanks for the reply,
Ian
 
xianmacx said:
Yeah but that 8-1 horse had a 1/4 track lead on the rest of the field when the bet was placed. I still think its super strong that Billy made such a close call only halfway into the tourney.
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It was a strong call by Billy with 12 or so still in, I am going to go out on a limb and say he would have been right and took the cash if they didn't change from no ball in hand and no safeties to ball in hand rules for just the finals. I really think Banks Jr. would have taken it down with the same rules, he was just playing wide open in those rules which seemed to favor his game, then everything changed, BUT Shane McMinn did play well in the final and put in a 6 pack with Banks Jr. leading 5/4 to go up 10/5, Banks Jr. did fight back and take the lead late but couldn't get it done.
 
thats not even close

mosconiac said:
jamie was there but not much happened. last I heard SVB and corey were trying to matchup..but no one can confirm it actually happened.

jamie woofed some more at jesse bowman, who's in vegas btw. Jess gave them several games to play and they wouldn't bite on any of them. Jess guaranteed $20k in action if they would travel over there (his backer will not leave vegas for a pool game)...he said he would jack it if that wasn't enough!...but it doesn't look like they'll make it. jess said he is tired of talking about the game...he just wants to get down after 18 months of woofing.
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Jesse talked about making a game, as usual. I told him to put some no show money up. That is exactly where the talk ended. Believe what you want
 
xianmacx said:
gotcha,

In you opinion Jay, what is the best set structure for 2 world class players on a bartable to show which player is truely better?

thanks for the reply,
Ian
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Number one, they have to play on a tough table (DIAMOND). If it's going to be races, let them play two out of three, Races To Fifteen. If it's an Ahead set, Fifteen Ahead is more than adequate. And I definitely think they should be playing Ten Ball, winner breaks.

You'll find who the best player is......that day :)
 
Imo

I think a 12 ahead 10 ball will show most of what anyone would need to see.Playin 10 ball its not likely that a player will put 12 together.If he puts 8 on a guy, he has to show some heart to get back.Longer races than that just show stamina to me.
 
Like I have said before. I want to see Corey give Walden the eight on a Valley with worn felt and a mudball. Not metallic cue ball, the giant mudball. When I think barbox, this is what I think of. Not many bars have Diamonds with a measle ball and Simonis. "Barboxes are in bars." The kind of tables you guys are talking about are just smaller poolroom style tables. You can "soft break" and baby the balls. I am talking real bar action. Where the money is on the light and music so loud you can't hear to side bet. Corey has that break down to a science, no doubt. But I want to see the situation break down like they have just ran into eachother and matched up in a bar. Like it happens for most of us. Not "I'll play with a neutral racker, 860 Simonis, 68 degree room, Diamond table and a referee." Know what I mean?
 
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