Diabetic Pro players and competeing....

[JAM]

Would drinking light corn syrup help cease a diabetic incident in humans like it does for dogs?
TX Poolnut <----ignorant of fact

At one pool tournament, I recall Kevin West asking for a short break to get a glass of orange juice.

Diabetes can be controlled, but one must adhere to a strict diet. It is sad that this is a hereditary condition for some folks. We are fortunate to live in an era with modern medical advances that makes the living conditions easier for diabetics.

 

[brandoncook26]

Would drinking light corn syrup help cease a diabetic incident in humans like it does for dogs?
TX Poolnut <----ignorant of fact

When blood sugars are low (hypoglycemia), you could correct them more rapidly with a simple sugar like 8oz of orange juice. Your body breaks down the simple sugar faster and it has a rapid effect on blood sugar.

If blood sugar is normal, a diabetic would generally want to stay away from these simple sugars, vying instead for more complex carbs that take a much greater time to break down.

There is also emergency glycogen gel that someone in a severe hypoglycemic crisis can use. Some people carry them with them.

 

[davidhop]

I'm type 2 and due to diabetes, I have pretty much quit playing altogether. I could never be consistent enough in tournaments, and it got so bad that I quit leagues as well. I just felt like I was letting my teammates down every time that I played badly. I cannot believe the people that say it is easy to control, or that 1 thing or the other causes it, and really can't believe that anyone would have the guts to say that they will never get it due to their diet.....What goes around comes around.

 

[Factor]

No, my post is correct. Separating the disease from you and me (to not get personal), if an individual got the disease by a military chemical that is unfortunate but is in a tiny percentage of ppl with the disease.

The disease is caused by what you put in your body, via food and drink, for the vast majority of ppl who have it.

You forgot fhe one risk factor that you have no control over - genetics. It does not care what you eat and how you live. You simply have no say when it comes to family history. I speak from experience.

 

[richiebalto]

Hi there,

i didn't understand how rediculous diabetes was until I was diagnosed. I did run around for a long time not knowing it and for some reason went undiagnosed for about 10 years. 5 years was my fault but after that I was seeing doctors.

Had a stroke around oct 2008. They found out I was diabetic in Jan 2009.

I thought, Oh well, now I got to take a pill and everything will be ok. Not so simple.

A normal persons blood sugar can be anywhere from 95 to 115, 120. Somewhere's in there. The pancreas makes the right amount of insulin to keep it from going any higher. As soon as mine goes up to 150 I feel like I'm kind of brain dead. just can't think very good but you still think your ok. Other people can tell your not though.

You get frustrated very easily and are very impatient. Some people have levels that are up around 200 plus all the time. i don't know how they survive.

Then I'll go for a walk or get some excersize and it will go crashing right down to be a little low. Then i get the shakes and feel terrible. Real weak. So you go from one extreme to the other. this really messes with your mind also. You just don't think right but you can't even tell your not thinking right.

If I'm playing pool I might shoot at the wrong ball. Play shape for the wrong ball. Any number of things can happen. You just have to be careful.

If your playing someone a set and you go too low you might as well quit unless you can get some food. If you eat too much it goes too high.

If you experience a too high and then a too low you are pretty shot for that day. Kind of like a healthy person was out in the wind on a boat all day with no food. Now you come in all wore out from the day and now let's play the final match of the US Open.

If Shawn Putnam gets to the final it's an unbelievable act as far as I'm concerned. If he wins this thing I consider him on the Superman level.

I guarantee this, when it's all over his energy tank will be completely empty.

I hope this makes sense. Unless your diabetic and you are trying and i say trying to control your blood sugar just to survive and have as normal of a life as possible it's hard to understand.

An old Indian saying is don't judge a man until you walk a mile in his moccosins. That is so true with diabetes.

Hi Gene,u r rite sir,i am not a diabetic and you r also rite i dont no nearly as much about it as you,so for that i apologise,i had no idea it was so erractic,i hope u the best Gene(feel good),i hope i stay lucky and never have to deal with that horriable disease!

 

[SJDinPHX]

A lot of people don't know this, but Ronnie Allen has been a long time sufferer of diabetes...He admits it was his diet of hot dogs and booze, that accelerated his condition....You have to wonder, how good he might have played without this debilitating disease...:shocked2:

Some of the younger crowd may not know much about him, but he played one pocket as good, if not better, than Efren Reyes.

 

[richiebalto]

A lot of people don't know this, but Ronnie Allen has been a long time sufferer of diabetes...He admits it was his diet of hot dogs and booze, that accelerated his condition....You have to wonder, how good he might have played without this debilitating disease...:shocked2:

Some of the younger crowd may not know much about him, but he played one pocket as good, if not better, than Efren Reyes.

Iam 44 and i knew Ronnie Allen was arguely the best ever 1pocket player as was Allen Hopkins,and there was this fellow alot of people didnt know much about, from san jose.bye the name of Dick,he was up there tooooooo!

 

[genomachino]

Easy way to tell........

I wonder if I'm diabetic. The other day I drank a highly caffeinated soft drink before heading to the pool hall. Around an hour later, I had to eat something in the middle of a match or I would pass out from starvation. I'm guessing this is one of that positive side effects of caffiene...If not than I'm diabetic?

If you know someone that is diabetic you can ask them to do this for you.

They can change the needle in their glocose test kit and test your blood.

Just eat a meal and 2 hours later have them test you glucose level. If it's normal, and they would know, your OK. If it's still too high you got trouble. Then see a doctor and tell them what you found out.

I've checked about 20 people that are friends of mine because they were worried and didn't feel very good. I only did this after they told me they had a bunch of the symtoms of diabetes.

about 6 or 7 of these people were diabetic. It's a good thing they found out because not knowing can cause you alot of trouble with your health. Whenever your blood sugar is too high it is destroying your body.

One of these people was my best friend in high school that was living in Florida. His name is Allen bell. He had no clue why he felt tired all the time.

I ran around for about 10 years and didn't know that I was diabetic. I did alot of damage not knowing and not cotroling the blood sugar levels. Finally I had a stroke in Oct 2008. It was what they call a mini stroke. Only lasted about 10 minutes. 2 months later found out I was diabetic.

I eat about every 2 hours and I need to only eat about 30 to 40 carbs or my blood glucose level goes too high. If i go 3 or 4 hours and don't eat i feel like I'm going to pass out so I try not to forget. If i eat too much and it goes too high I get feeling brain dead and can't think very good. it's really tough to keep it stable.

I'm really lucky. I know diabetics that can't even get their levels close to normal even with the meds. These meds are really hard on the stomach also. Sometimes they make you sick also.

I hope your not diabetic. Not too much fun. When I was first diagnosed I was really happy to finally find out what was wrong. But the happy sure went away when I tried to control it and try to feel normal. I've been working on it now for 2 1/2 years and it seems to get worse no matter how I try to eat but i feel better if I eat exactly like I should.

I won a few bigger tournaments last year. It was almost a miracle when I considered how I felt for some of the matches. Usually when I play alot of matches the first day I'm too wore out the next day to compete well. When your tired and your diabetic it's even harder to control your blood levels. If it goes to high you not only can't think but you have a hard time even trying to function.

Like right now I'm still awake and it's 4:30 AM. I ate some chicken Gumbo at a tournament. Had to eat something. That didn't seem to make my levels go too high but 2 hours later when I ate a sandwiche that should have been OK my levels shot up to 220. That was at midnite and I've been up ever since drinking water and doing some excersize to get it down to normal.
Can't go to bed with the levels that high. They'll just stay up there too long and do alot of damage to the body. Bad enough it got as high as it did.

It just got down to about 115. I'm really feeling wore out. It's just the way it is.

PS I just checked it again 20 minutes later and it crashed to 81. To low. Now I have to eat a little. Now i feel like i'm going to pass out. When this happens at a tournament it's over. At this point you can't beat anyone. Just the way it is?

Not complaining but just trying to explain and maybe eduacate a few on what a diabetic goes through. And I'm lucky. Others have it much, much worse. I feel bad for them. I can't imagine worse..........

Have a great week. geno............

 

[inside_english]

I don't know if alot of players know this but Larry Nevel and Shawn Putnam are both kind of exceptional players, not only because of the level that they compete at but because they do it with one of the most difficult diseases in the world, Diabetes.

I know myself how difficult it is being diabetic myself. It's tough enough just to play but to try and manage your blood sugar level for a whole tournament is nearly impossible. Stress, not enough sleep, what you eat, to much excersize or not enough can all effect the blood sugar drastically.

Most diabetics can't be in the smoke. It's just one more problem to add to the list that makes it hard to manage the disease.

Larry Nevel and Shawn Putnam are heros to me. And I know that all you AZers that are diabetic must feel the same way. How do they do it?

Most players start out the day with a full tank of energy when their day starts out in a tournament. Diabetics many times start out with only 1/2 tank of energy and it can get worse and there is nothing you can do about it. It's all a guessing game trying to balance the blood sugar. You just have to try and guess good and say Oh well. Here we go............

My hat is really off to these 2 professionals because I personally know what they are dealing with. Larry Nevel played a great tournament and Shawn at this time is still going strong. Amazing to say the least.

There are many AZers on here that are diabetic. Could you share your thoughts on the subject and shed a little light on how difficult you feel it would be competeing at any level being diabetic.

Thanks for your comments ahead of time. Geno...........

I don't know if Larry and Shawn are your friends...but did it ever occur to you that they may not want the world to know they're diabetic?

Maybe they are OK with this and maybe they are public with it, I don't know.
I don't know them personally.

For me, I would be upset if someone chose to violate my privacy by divulging my personal health issues, especially on a public forum on the internet.

 

[genomachino]

I don't think they would get offended..............

I don't know if Larry and Shawn are your friends...but did it ever occur to you that they may not want the world to know they're diabetic?

Maybe they are OK with this and maybe they are public with it, I don't know.
I don't know them personally.

For me, I would be upset if someone chose to violate my privacy by divulging my personal health issues, especially on a public forum on the internet.

Accomplishing what they do in pool is like a feather in their cap. Most diabetics out there must wonder how they can compete at that high level and juggle trying to stay right.

Being diabetic you kind of get used to telling people around you your diabetic. Most of your friends know. And it 's good people around you know in case something happens.

Plus I don't have to explain why I can't go here and eat or eat this or that.
It's kind of a waste for me to go to most restuarants because us diabetics can't eat much at a time or we get sick even with the meds.

And you constantly have to have food available that you know how much carbs there are. Sometimes I bring my own food in places like a small sandwiche and just tell them I'm diabetic. If they don't like it I'll just eat out in
the car. I usually keep a cooler in there.

So far i've never ran into a diabetic that cared if anybody else did or didn't know. It ain't like anyone can catch diabetes.

I hope someday if i pass out from low bloodsugar that the people around me know that I'm diabetic. it could mean the difference between life or death.

Good point though. i'm sure there are people that would want to keep it a secret but I don't know why?

 

[Snapshot9]

Diabetics

I guess I am pretty lucky that I am not diabetic since my Dad was, my mom is, and my brother is. They all controlled it with medication and diet though.
My mom has passed out twice from her blood sugar being too low, and one time she was driving. She is older now, and does not drive anymore.

So far, I don't have it, and hope I do not get it. I check for it when I go for a physical, but I haven't been to the doctor for 5-6 years. I need to get back, and get checked.

 

[KCRack'em]

two more

Not pool players, but two athletes come to mind: Jay Cutler and Chris Mullen. I can't imagine what they and the pool players have to deal with.
Karl

 

[ironman]

Maybe I'll get flack for this, but diabetes is probably one of the easiest diseases to prevent. All you have to do is control what goes on the end of your fork. Do you think it's a coincidence that both nevel and Putnam are obese and diabetic?

Eat a paleo diet and you won't get it. And if you already have it, a paleo diet will keep your insulin levels more even throughout the day and make managing the disease easier.

I have diabetes in my family. No way I'm going to get it because I eat a paleo diet and lead an active life.

If you want more info on paleo it's all over the web and there is a link to a good 5 min video describing it in my signature.

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your remarks are very offensive and so very wrong! Totally wrong!

 

[ironman]

A lot of people don't know this, but Ronnie Allen has been a long time sufferer of diabetes...He admits it was his diet of hot dogs and booze, that accelerated his condition....You have to wonder, how good he might have played without this debilitating disease...:shocked2:

Some of the younger crowd may not know much about him, but he played one pocket as good, if not better, than Efren Reyes.

So true. who was best has been argued here over and over. Of course I am old school but I would have had to have taken a ticket on Ronnie.
in Houston a few years back he had misplaced his Glucotrol. I was taking the same thing, so i dug out 4 for him.
he was getting pretty messed up and took one and then about 20 minutes later took another. By now he was getting pretty confused and asked me for more. i finally got him to sit down and he fell fast asleep, woke up 20 minutes later and thought it was the following day. Sad to see.
I feel so badly for those who are in bed with insulin and those shots. That is horrible to witness.
i feel for Sara Rousey who lives on the pump. So young to have to deal with that. She handles it nobley!

 

[ironman]

I don't know if Larry and Shawn are your friends...but did it ever occur to you that they may not want the world to know they're diabetic?

Maybe they are OK with this and maybe they are public with it, I don't know.
I don't know them personally.

For me, I would be upset if someone chose to violate my privacy by divulging my personal health issues, especially on a public forum on the internet.

i understand your concern, but I feel it is something people should be more aware of. If not mistaken Larry came on here and confessed diabetes a few years ago.
When I was first diagnosed, I was very ashamed and wanted nobody to Know of it. now after about 20 years with it, i could give a shit less.
For years it was called the "Quiet killer" and for good reason.

 

[book collector]

I see your Diabetes and raise you a Mennieres' Disease .

 

[Island Drive]

i understand your concern, but I feel it is something people should be more aware of. If not mistaken Larry came on here and confessed diabetes a few years ago.
When I was first diagnosed, I was very ashamed and wanted nobody to Know of it. now after about 20 years with it, i could give a shit less.
For years it was called the "Quiet killer" and for good reason.

Dan Louie has managed his issues his entire life.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

But, since the topic seems to have turned into diet instead of pool players with diabetes.
Interesting article for type 2 people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8594293/Crash-course-diet-reverses-Type-2-diabetes-in-a-week.html

Crash course diet reverses Type 2 diabetes in a week
Britain's 2.5 million people with Type 2 diabetes are offered new hope today as scientists show the disease can be reversed in as little as seven days by going on a crash-course diet.

Adhering to the strict 600 calorie-a-day diet causes fat levels in the pancreas to plummet, restoring normal function, found Prof Roy Taylor of Newcastle University.

The discovery, a "radical change" in understanding of the condition, holds out the possibility that sufferers could cure themselves - if they have the willpower.

Until recently received medical wisdom was that Type 2 diabetes was largely irreversible.

But this small-scale study indicates that defeating it could be easier than commonly thought.

Prof Taylor asked 11 volunteers, all recently diagnosed, to go on what he admitted was an "extreme diet" of specially formulated drinks and non-starchy vegetables, for eight weeks

After just a week, pre-breakfast ('fasting') blood sugar levels had returned to normal, suggesting a resumption of correct pancreas function.

After eight weeks, all had managed to reverse their diabetes. Three months on, seven remained free of it.

Prof Taylor explained that too much fat "clogged up" the operation of the pancreas at a cellular level, preventing normal secretion of insulin which regulates blood sugar.

When this fat was removed - by way of the diet - normal function resumed.

He said: "This is a radical change in understanding Type 2 diabetes. It will change how we can explain it to people newly diagnosed with the condition.

"While it has long been believed that someone with Type 2 diabetes will always have the disease, and that it will steadily get worse, we have shown that we can reverse the condition." ...

 

[genomachino]

Good Post............

But, since the topic seems to have turned into diet instead of pool players with diabetes.
Interesting article for type 2 people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8594293/Crash-course-diet-reverses-Type-2-diabetes-in-a-week.html

Crash course diet reverses Type 2 diabetes in a week
Britain's 2.5 million people with Type 2 diabetes are offered new hope today as scientists show the disease can be reversed in as little as seven days by going on a crash-course diet.

Adhering to the strict 600 calorie-a-day diet causes fat levels in the pancreas to plummet, restoring normal function, found Prof Roy Taylor of Newcastle University.

The discovery, a "radical change" in understanding of the condition, holds out the possibility that sufferers could cure themselves - if they have the willpower.

Until recently received medical wisdom was that Type 2 diabetes was largely irreversible.

But this small-scale study indicates that defeating it could be easier than commonly thought.

Prof Taylor asked 11 volunteers, all recently diagnosed, to go on what he admitted was an "extreme diet" of specially formulated drinks and non-starchy vegetables, for eight weeks

After just a week, pre-breakfast ('fasting') blood sugar levels had returned to normal, suggesting a resumption of correct pancreas function.

After eight weeks, all had managed to reverse their diabetes. Three months on, seven remained free of it.

Prof Taylor explained that too much fat "clogged up" the operation of the pancreas at a cellular level, preventing normal secretion of insulin which regulates blood sugar.

When this fat was removed - by way of the diet - normal function resumed.

He said: "This is a radical change in understanding Type 2 diabetes. It will change how we can explain it to people newly diagnosed with the condition.

"While it has long been believed that someone with Type 2 diabetes will always have the disease, and that it will steadily get worse, we have shown that we can reverse the condition." ...

Great post here,

I had myself started a diet just before I had my accident. It was almost impossible to continue once I was trying to heal.

I had pretty much quit taking my meds in fact if i took them I seemed to get sick to my stomach, probably because my stomach was too empty for the meds.

I was down to about 180 at the time. Now I'm back up to 195 again even though I am careful what I eat. I feel that if I can get down to about 170 that I can get rid of the meds all the time.

Back in around 1995 is when I went over the 175 mark. I know now that this was the start of me being diabetic. I feel that if i can achieve this wieght I can get there. At least I feel this is a shot because the way it goes for us diabetics i can see it just gets worse and worse.

I'm just about healed from my accident and going to take another stab at it.

Good info though. I was really thinking that the bypass surgery was the key to the cure but this really sheds new light on things.

I like the part aboiut the pancreas going from 8% fat to 5%. That might be the key.

But as you know I'm huge on testimonials. If it works I want to hear it from some of our fellow AZers for sure. If there is anyone that has successfully done this please speak up because we all need to know.

There are thousands of pool players around the country that are type 2. I know if they knew for a fact that this would work they would be on it in a heartbeat especially so they can play the game of pool they love and be able to compete on a level playing field .

Somedays I feel like I'm spotting everyone the 6 and out...and I know others feel the same way.

Thanks from me for sure.

 

[oneballeddie]

Invalid Argument

Maybe I'll get flack for this, but diabetes is probably one of the easiest diseases to prevent. All you have to do is control what goes on the end of your fork. Do you think it's a coincidence that both nevel and Putnam are obese and diabetic?

Eat a paleo diet and you won't get it. And if you already have it, a paleo diet will keep your insulin levels more even throughout the day and make managing the disease easier.

I have diabetes in my family. No way I'm going to get it because I eat a paleo diet and lead an active life.

If you want more info on paleo it's all over the web and there is a link to a good 5 min video describing it in my signature.

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In addition to the conclusion drawn being incorrect per se, it does not follow from your premises:

People who eat wrong can become fat. (true)
Some diabetics are fat. (true)
Therefore, diabetic obesity is caused by eating wrong. (does not follow)

Non sequitur. Similar to "there occured an increase of births during the full moon. Therefore, full moons cause birth rates to rise."