Did anyone try out the crazy fake chineese Predator cues?

Don't get excited.

you have as much right to make choices for others, as they have to make choices for you.

Everybody has his or her own way of justifying their lives led.
9ballhasbeen said:
And that makes it right? if my family wants or needs - I should not respect the rule of law...

"Easy to say from the USA", Where are you from? Are you using the internet technology that the USA pioneered to share your opinion?

I was laid off when the economy tanked in 2009, I didn't sacrifice my morals to pay the bills, I dug deep and found an honest solution, took a huge pay cut, and didn't get what "I wanted" but we didn't go hungry either.

I assure you the person that owns whatever factory those counterfeits are being produced in, doesn't need the groceries.... :angry:
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be1163 said:
Seen many of these as well as gloves, playing cues and jump/break cues on AliExpress as well.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-China-Billiard-Pool-Cues-11-5mm-12-75mm-Tip-Black-Orange-Colors-8-Pieces/32687500799.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.49nvO7&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10139_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10140_10055_10054_10059_10099_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10051_10106_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10078_10079_10073_10070_10122_10123_10126_10124,searchweb201603_7,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=bff2695e-8e5d-4ff5-9aed-9f475b2ecd30&algo_expid=21c3bf9c-c658-4032-b01a-7839ab1254ff-0&algo_pvid=21c3bf9c-c658-4032-b01a-7839ab1254ff
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I looked around for a bit on the Aliexpress site. I've never actually shopped there before, this was my first time. There were tons of Predator, Poison and other knockoffs. You could get predator P6(!), even with maple snooker shafts, lol.

I suspect the quality of these items are proportional to their price, so the 150 usd ones are probably comparable to similiarly priced Fury cue. That's just a guess. The expensive Predator knockoffs seem to have an 8 piece spliced shaft, I guess similar to Furys offering, which is actually not a bad shaft at all.

I don't think I'd want to show up at my pool hall with one of these knockofsf with a huge logo which says Pradaidr or whatever. I really don't think anyone would be foooled by this, any more than they'll be fooled by the "Rolleks" you buy at the beach in Thailand. Besides there is also a moral and legal issue here, obviously, even if they were perfect copies in every way.

I actually stopped buying Predator products because their quality kept slipping downward with "matchstick" grade wooden shafts and ugly designs, while the price kept skyrocketing. The uni-lock joint also sucks. If the real deal won't satisfy me, I doubt the knockoff will do any better, I somehow doubt they use better woods and construction methods, lol. That's just a hunch;).
 
9ballhasbeen said:
What a sad state I find the world to be in.

No morality, no humility, ho honesty. A world where many think it's okay to copy, bootleg, steal, pirate, and counterfeit anything.

If you steal movies, you're part of the problem, if you steal internet, you're part of the problem, if you steal ideas, you're part of the problem... If only folks, whether in business, in traffic, or at the pool room would practice the Golden rule and treat others the way they want to be treated.
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holy high horse, try stepping off it once in a while:smile:
 
Here's a bargain! I'm being sarcastic, I'd never buy this kind of crap. I also have a couple of JB cases and will never by a Stout case.
 

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In case you didn't already know, they knock off EVERYTHING in China, where there are no regulations prohibiting it. Any copyright or patent laws from other countries are not recognized in China. It's also true that many of the factories making products for foreign companies are the same ones manufacturing the copies. They just sell them on the black market after fulfilling their commitment on the original order. That's considered good business in China. By the way you have absolutely zero rights over there, so don't make waves while you're visiting. There is no one to come and help you if you get in trouble. You are at their mercy!
 
jay helfert said:
In case you didn't already know, they knock off EVERYTHING in China, where there are no regulations prohibiting it. Any copyright or patent laws from other countries are not recognized in China. It's also true that many of the factories making products for foreign companies are the same ones manufacturing the copies. They just sell them on the black market after fulfilling their commitment on the original order. That's considered good business in China. By the way you have absolutely zero rights over there, so don't make waves while you're visiting. There is no one to come and help you if you get in trouble. You are at their mercy!
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Actually there ARE laws against knockoffs and counterfeits in China but they are rarely enforced. Also while Chinese companies do plenty of copying on their own there are MANY who produce copies on the instruction and with help of AMERICAN and other western companies. Many of the companies in this industry are complicit in the proliferation of knockoffs. Some of them well known who don't hesitate to make their "own" version of a small maker's products. So it's not just driven by Chinese companies, much more by American companies doing it to their competitors.

Just a few terms for everyone's education.

OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer - this is the ACTUAL factory that makes the actual stuff which is then branded per specification of the customer. Such factories often have many clients and build many brands.

Gray Market: Items that are ORIGINAL but are not authorized. This includes manufacturing overruns that are distributed through unofficial channels.

Counterfeit: Any item that is identical to an official item INCLUDING the trademarked logo. Also applies to items which are NOT made or authorized by the trademark owner but which are sold with the trademark on it and which any average consumer would reasonably think was made by or authorized by the trademark owner. Fake is also used to describe counterfeits.

Knockoff: Any item made to substantially look like a predecessor. All counterfeits are knockoffs but not all knockoffs are counterfeits. The Predoair cues are knockoffs and NOT counterfeits. BUT the usage of the similar looking logo and design COUNTS as illegal infringement I am pretty sure.

Copyright: Only applies to works of art and NOT utilitarian items. A picture of a pool cue is copyrighted, the drawing of the design is copyrighted, the cue itself is NOT copyrighted. It MIGHT be a copyright infringement to take the design of one cue and put it on another cue just as it would be if one took an image of Mickey Mouse and put it on a t-shirt without permission.

Ok, to the original question, I have seen plenty of the knockoff Predator cues and they are nothing close to the quality of the original official ones.

They are ONLY trading on the look and nothing else. There is zero attempt to duplicate the technology.

The shafts are one piece low quality. In other words, trash and a waste of money.
 
JB Cases said:
Actually there ARE laws against knockoffs and counterfeits in China but they are rarely enforced. Also while Chinese companies do plenty of copying on their own there are MANY who produce copies on the instruction and with help of AMERICAN and other western companies. Many of the companies in this industry are complicit in the proliferation of knockoffs. Some of them well known who don't hesitate to make their "own" version of a small maker's products. So it's not just driven by Chinese companies, much more by American companies doing it to their competitors.

Just a few terms for everyone's education.

OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer - this is the ACTUAL factory that makes the actual stuff which is then branded per specification of the customer. Such factories often have many clients and build many brands.

Gray Market: Items that are ORIGINAL but are not authorized. This includes manufacturing overruns that are distributed through unofficial channels.

Counterfeit: Any item that is identical to an official item INCLUDING the trademarked logo. Also applies to items which are NOT made or authorized by the trademark owner but which are sold with the trademark on it and which any average consumer would reasonably think was made by or authorized by the trademark owner. Fake is also used to describe counterfeits.

Knockoff: Any item made to substantially look like a predecessor. All counterfeits are knockoffs but not all knockoffs are counterfeits. The Predoair cues are knockoffs and NOT counterfeits. BUT the usage of the similar looking logo and design COUNTS as illegal infringement I am pretty sure.

Copyright: Only applies to works of art and NOT utilitarian items. A picture of a pool cue is copyrighted, the drawing of the design is copyrighted, the cue itself is NOT copyrighted. It MIGHT be a copyright infringement to take the design of one cue and put it on another cue just as it would be if one took an image of Mickey Mouse and put it on a t-shirt without permission.

Ok, to the original question, I have seen plenty of the knockoff Predator cues and they are nothing close to the quality of the original official ones.

They are ONLY trading on the look and nothing else. There is zero attempt to duplicate the technology.

The shafts are one piece low quality. In other words, trash and a waste of money.
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This one looks interesting, but I assume the quality is very bad, like you said.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Taco-De...007173?hash=item3adc880e05:g:9FIAAOSwB-1Yw-dy
 
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Predator should do a better job of monitoring Ebay for the knockoff's and report such to Ebay. They will pull it, but they don't know it's fake until someone tells them it. They are not experts in everything that was ever built.
I got some "magic chalk" pulled... that was from China. It was not similar in design, but the name was listed as something, something Magic Chalk. Too close for my liking ;)


Poor work on Predator's part for not acting more quickly.
 
WOW! I didn't know they were counterfeiting BK3's......

JoeyA


Straightpool_99 said:
Here is an example of such:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Arrival...c79c5a1&pid=100033&rk=1&rkt=8&sd=252782443263

BEFORE YOU GIVE YOUR ANSWER:
1. I'm not planning on buying any of these cues. I have bought plenty of the real thing in the past.
2. I do not condone/support fake products

All I want to know is if you tried one of them. What was the quality like? I see products like this pop up all the time, and someone must surely be buying them. It's a question asked from a standpoint of curiousity, not a sinister plot to distribute fake Predator cues and take over the world of pool retail. A friend of mine once bought a fake golf club bag from China, and he said it was actually better than the real deal (he has both and was able to compare them side by side)! I'm no expert on golf equipment, so I'll have to take his word for it. Obviously this cue may not have the technology of the real thing, but maybe it's good (I actually don't really like the BK3, I sold mine almost immidiately).

I see a lot of these fake cues of various "Brands" pop up. Most of them have the "Fury" type joint, but these actually have Uni-Lock. I'm guessing maybe they are comparable to a Fury in quality, ok not great?
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Does anyone know who makes this chalk looks like the predator logo but it's the wrong color label could it be a knock off?
 

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Man, I saw a knockoff Predator a few days ago on Temu that looked better than the real one. I mean the design/color, I'm sure the quality is garbage.
 
many times a company has their product made in china by a low bid outfit. and almost all companies there do an over run of the product. which can easily enter into the wrong hands and get sold as the original, which it really is.

and since its so cheap to make stuff there, companies can make fake stuff that is decent quality for peanuts and sell it as real stuff.

if you want the real product don't buy from the internet get it from the american distributor. fakes are in every product nowadays.
 
Temu has some fake p3’s for $60. Lol it looks like it has the unilock joint. I almost bought one just for the hell of it.

Whats funny in the adds they call the revo shaft with black technology 😂
 
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