Did Mark Wilson finally kill "aiming systems" ?

I head a quote once that fits in all aspects of life, and also in this instance… Arrogance is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity.

All in all, if people would just admit that they missed a shot from a poor stroke/fundamentals they would be better off learning from their mistakes.
This also quells any inherent curiosity while presuming the answer always lies in humility. What if it wasn't your fault and humility just locked you into the fish bracket - because that's what you're supposed to do?
 
I feel rarely do people not know where to aim but rather have trouble hitting the spot on the object ball that they want to.

Is it:
“Have trouble hitting the spot on the object ball they want to.”

Or

“Have trouble hitting the spot on the cue ball they want to.”
?

I know some people like to knock fundamentals. To me, solid fundamentals means hitting the cue ball where you want consistently.
 
Is it:
“Have trouble hitting the spot on the object ball they want to.”

Or

“Have trouble hitting the spot on the cue ball they want to.”
?

I know some people like to knock fundamentals. To me, solid fundamentals means hitting the cue ball where you want consistently.
I'm not trying to create a tangent but this is why on many shots I go CB last. The aim is done standing, I can see the ball in my peripheral vision, I've already visualized it. I must make absolutely sure I hit the CB on the "microdot."
 
This reminds me of my first lesson with Bert.
I told him I needed to work on my 9ball break.
He threw some balls on the table and asked me to run them out.
After 3 failed attempts he asked why I would want to break better when I can't even run out.
...
I have a lot of requests from 450-level players for suggestions on their smash break shots. I tell them something similar. I point out that the best they can do on the break is to not embarrass themselves. Keep the cue ball on the table and spread the balls OK. They think that the break can be a significant part of their game. It can be ... sometime after they pass 600 or so.
 
Bob I have to ask, what is the story behind the Osmium member? I went and googled osmium for fun and that led to the periodic table.
Dan
 
Bob I have to ask, what is the story behind the Osmium member? I went and googled osmium for fun and that led to the periodic table.
Dan
It's the densest element." Like twice as dense as lead. Read into that what you will. :sneaky:



* Under normal pressure and temperature conditions. There is another element (iridium?) that squeezes down more than osmium if you work at it really hard.
 
It's the densest element." Like twice as dense as lead. Read into that what you will. :sneaky:



* Under normal pressure and temperature conditions. There is another element (iridium?) that squeezes down more than osmium if you work at it really hard.
YES! This is exactly what I what I saw and figured it was a joke... but i dont know you that well and did not want to offend lol.
 
Well there are lots of people standing over the ball, holding the cue in all kinda ways, so does he mean address the ball the same way all the time so that it becomes automatic? He can't mean everybody should stand the same way or thats theres a better way to stand for everybody?

Theres to many Pro's doing it to many ways for that to be accurate.
I don't think he meant everyone does it the same. But the pros do things in a repeatable way, that's what he was getting at
 
Uh, no. You need to know where to point all that finely crafted machinery.
Any decent pool player can find the point of aim, you do that before you ever take a practice stroke. Aim is not the issue. Everything that goes into getting the ball from point A to point B is the issue. Anyone who owns a gun can aim a scope, holding the rifle correctly and having good trigger technique is what makes a hunter dangerous.
 
I'm not big on aiming systems for actual "aiming", such as cut the ball x percentage to make this cut shot. I think that is second nature, almost immediately, and including with all spins.

However, one component of "some" aiming systems, is the precise place where your eyes focus on. I do believe if you look at the wrong place, your eyes will steer your stroke crooked, no matter if its 1000% perfectly straight otherwise. This is Geno Machino's main principle in his Perfect Aim system.

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Great players in any sport probably aren't the best teachers, they learned things so instinctively that they generally can't put it into words, or they were so freakishly athletic that nobody else could do what they didid.
I can't think of many people who have have impressive careers as a player and a coach in any sport. Most of the top coaches I can think of have little name recognition for their playing career.

Didn't a pool coach have a spring loaded cue to demonstrate that most people struggle more with the stroke than the aim?
 
Any decent pool player can find the point of aim, you do that before you ever take a practice stroke. Aim is not the issue. Everything that goes into getting the ball from point A to point B is the issue. Anyone who owns a gun can aim a scope, holding the rifle correctly and having good trigger technique is what makes a hunter dangerous.
This simply isn't the case. Yes aiming is simple - and let me clarify it's not the tedious process of shooting two imaginary points together. It's not particle smashing by any means. What should happen is the player is able to determine the required stick angle relative to the line of centers and place the stick <and> self in line to execute the shot. To say this process is faultless is silly. It still requires the humanoid to get it all happening.
As to the rifle analogy - well the rifle is manufactured to exacting tolerances to insure the projectile leaves the barrel as concentrically as possible - <every> time. Quite different than the pool jock trying to function as both the rifle and the shooter.
Yes aiming can go awry. There are eye muscles, deep internal "hallucinations", the added fear of the opposition - all conspiring to create error. i say the whole process is too complex to patently source to the same two factors.

Incidentally Mark Wilson's take on stroke error is very accurate. It just isn't everything about shot failure.
 
I can't think of many people who have have impressive careers as a player and a coach in any sport. Most of the top coaches I can think of have little name recognition for their playing career.

Didn't a pool coach have a spring loaded cue to demonstrate that most people struggle more with the stroke than the aim?
Except the miracle college guys. ;D
 
I have a lot of requests from 450-level players for suggestions on their smash break shots. I tell them something similar. I point out that the best they can do on the break is to not embarrass themselves. Keep the cue ball on the table and spread the balls OK. They think that the break can be a significant part of their game. It can be ... sometime after they pass 600 or so.
But if you can't break successfully, you are immediately giving up control of the table. For a lower level player that might not matter much in rotation, but in 8 ball you are getting the opportunity to choose your group and one additional offensive opportunity at the table.

I'm not big on aiming systems for actual "aiming", such as cut the ball x percentage to make this cut shot. I think that is second nature, almost immediately, and including with all spins.

However, one component of "some" aiming systems, is the precise place where your eyes focus on. I do believe if you look at the wrong place, your eyes will steer your stroke crooked, no matter if its 1000% perfectly straight otherwise. This is Geno Machino's main principle in his Perfect Aim system.

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I've noticed that when I'm shooting poorly, it's because my eye pattern is off. A lesser problem is my stance alignment. My eye is centered over the cue but my slight misalignment causes my right hand to move slightly away from my body, putting left English on the ball.
 
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