Disgusted

CreeDo said:
People have been sick of luck in 9 ball for 30 years. Grady made some rules to decrease it, pros switched to ten ball to decrease it, pockets and the break box shrunk to decrease it... now you can't win on the break, can't accidentally hook someone, can't combo in something early, can't sink an uncalled ball without also making the intended shot... etc.

You agreed to play a well-known lucky game that many top pros left behind years ago. Get with the program, guy.
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You are talking a sudden tournament match. In a gambling match you just rack them up and play some more, luck won't change the outcome. The luck factor in fact is often what keeps a player playing a losing game. Tournament play and unlimited gambling play are apples and oranges. That is why a lot of gamblers don't like tournament play by any rules. They hate the idea of losing a match and having to just shake hands. The want to say" "Lets play some more and raise the bet"?
 
Uuummm?

had to read all 6 pages to make sure but... He did say he lost 9-7 So... sure the other guy got "lucky" but its not like he snaped off 9 "lucky" wins in a row

next some where in this mess **shane** mentions some thing about action dictating "the game played" what he strong armed you into playing? if you don't like the terms of the game or even the "game" its self noone is forcing you to play

and heres my last thoughts (for now) **shane** is going back to play the guy
1) a race to 11
2) he's giving the guy "the 7" (this also open a whole barrel of WTF does tha mean but what ever)

so the race to 11 sound good but the "7" any way you slice it it just seems like asking him to "luck out" with more options. Something like 9 gets respoted on the brake, or early 9 ball combos have to be called to count seem like better stipulations

and now it is late and I must wake up early to attend to some mundane life tasks (bill paying, laundry, house keeping, etc) so i bid you good day eeerrr night
 
Well I got 1 final post...Vengeance was served last night.. Played the guy three sets race to 11 with him getting the 7 and after the third set he was so twisted that he slammed the butt of the cue on the floor and splits it..Once again thanks to all who responded in a positive way..Peace
 
Good point Mully.

In my experience most pool players only remember the bad rolls they get, and not the good ones.

Selective memory?


mullyman said:
I'm sorry, I find it difficult to imagine a straight pool player that can run balls for 20 minutes being the type of player that "hammers the rack". Also, no safety? There is always a safety, you just have to find it. As for luck, as in any other game, it evens out over time. There isn't one person on this forum, or even on this planet, that can honestly say they have NEVER gotten fortunate with a lucky roll or shitting in a ball. It doesn't happen and until it does, no one has the right to complain about it.
MULLY
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Longer set

Play a longer set, and learn how to ride the 9! ;)

9-ball can be like riding a wave. Dont always try to fight the tide of luck.
Roll with it. If you are good enough you will have your opportunities.
 
Tony_in_MD said:
Good point Mully.

In my experience most pool players only remember the bad rolls they get, and not the good ones.

Selective memory?
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Not really.

I was saying no game is immune from luck. Everyone's gotta deal with it.
 
**SHANE** said:
Well I got 1 final post...Vengeance was served last night.. Played the guy three sets race to 11 with him getting the 7 and after the third set he was so twisted that he slammed the butt of the cue on the floor and splits it..Once again thanks to all who responded in a positive way..Peace
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Oh, we are not done with you yet!

Playing for $ or not? We wanna know!

Oh, and congrats. Skill>luck in the long run
 
Glad to hear about your comeback. Try have a thicker skin, especially when you post on AZ. There is plenty of good advice here, you simply need to squelch out the noise.

BTW, will we be expecting a post from your opponent complaining why he was so inconsistent, or his luck ran out when he was so close? :D

**SHANE** said:
Well I got 1 final post...Vengeance was served last night.. Played the guy three sets race to 11 with him getting the 7 and after the third set he was so twisted that he slammed the butt of the cue on the floor and splits it..Once again thanks to all who responded in a positive way..Peace
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**SHANE** said:
I'm getting so fed up with luck or roles coming into play within the course of a match.
Played this Guy yesterday a race to 9. In that race he snapped 2 nine balls, had 3 nine ball combinations, shit 2 balls in non intended pockets and got out. That's 7 unanswered games. What snapped me was his comment " I'd rather be lucky than good ". My response was " I'd rather have someone respect my game " in which he took offence to.
So I lose 9-7.
Now he's all happy cause he beat me and wants to play again. I said fine but we modify the game and see if you can win without luck.
Play call shot of your next ball in rotation, meaning always calling 1 ahead of what your shooting whether its calling the pocket or playing safe and see how good you are without luck. If you don't accomplish what u called its ball in hand.
Needless to say he left.
I'm sure others are as fed up as me.
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Listen my friend, it is what it is. Luck is part of this game and you have to learn how
to accept it. Did you ever win by luck, I bet you did. Sometimes you win, and sometimes
you don't. This happens to all of us.
 
**SHANE** said:
I'm getting so fed up with luck or roles coming into play within the course of a match.
Played this Guy yesterday a race to 9. In that race he snapped 2 nine balls, had 3 nine ball combinations, shit 2 balls in non intended pockets and got out. That's 7 unanswered games. What snapped me was his comment " I'd rather be lucky than good ". My response was " I'd rather have someone respect my game " in which he took offence to.
So I lose 9-7.
Now he's all happy cause he beat me and wants to play again. I said fine but we modify the game and see if you can win without luck.
Play call shot of your next ball in rotation, meaning always calling 1 ahead of what your shooting whether its calling the pocket or playing safe and see how good you are without luck. If you don't accomplish what u called its ball in hand.
Needless to say he left.
I'm sure others are as fed up as me.
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This sounds exactly like a guy I played last week. And it's the only game he'll play, too - anything goes. And when in doubt, get the 9 moving. If I suggest 10-ball (he'll only play 10-ball if it's just like how he plays 9-ball but with an extra ball), or call shot, or called safeties only (you can give an uncalled safety back to your opponent), he won't have any of it. And straight pool is a forbidden word to him.

What really strikes me is the amount of luck he has. If he doesn't have a shot, he'll just slam the ball, get as many other balls as possible moving, and usually slop another ball in, slop the 9 in, or leave me hopelessly safe. And if I play a safe, same thing... He'll kick at it as hard as he can, slop something in, or leave me even worse than I left him.

And the real kicker... He actually thinks he's good.
 
Winston846 said:
This sounds exactly like a guy I played last week. And it's the only game he'll play, too - anything goes. And when in doubt, get the 9 moving. If I suggest 10-ball (he'll only play 10-ball if it's just like how he plays 9-ball but with an extra ball), or call shot, or called safeties only (you can give an uncalled safety back to your opponent), he won't have any of it. And straight pool is a forbidden word to him.

What really strikes me is the amount of luck he has. If he doesn't have a shot, he'll just slam the ball, get as many other balls as possible moving, and usually slop another ball in, slop the 9 in, or leave me hopelessly safe. And if I play a safe, same thing... He'll kick at it as hard as he can, slop something in, or leave me even worse than I left him.

And the real kicker... He actually thinks he's good.
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Why would you even play someone like that. It seems to me, that he's nothing but
a banger. I don't play people like that. Play people your speed or better.
 
**SHANE** said:
We were playing 200 a set. Scores were 11-6. 11-7. 11-6. But what meant the most was his comment " you earned my respect "
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Good for you Shane. Many years ago I played a Bank Pool match with the Wisconsin State champ, a man named Willie Munson. He didn't know me and asked me to make a side bet on the match, $50. I agreed and proceeded to blow him out, winning easily. Afterward he slipped me a fifty and said, "I had no idea you played so well." That comment meant more than the money.
 
macguy said:
You are talking a sudden tournament match. In a gambling match you just rack them up and play some more, luck won't change the outcome. The luck factor in fact is often what keeps a player playing a losing game. Tournament play and unlimited gambling play are apples and oranges. That is why a lot of gamblers don't like tournament play by any rules. They hate the idea of losing a match and having to just shake hands. The want to say" "Lets play some more and raise the bet"?
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No idea what you're talking about, all of those rules work great in either tournaments or gambling. They were most recently used in TAR 20, which is not really a "two man invitational tournament" :p

I can see where these anti-luck rules might hurt your odds of busting a guy if you're gambling, he's gonna pull up when he sees the lesser player has no shot.
 
poolmaster said:
Why would you even play someone like that. It seems to me, that he's nothing but
a banger. I don't play people like that. Play people your speed or better.
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Because I was a glutton for punishment. I don't play him regularly and I'm not much of a 9-ball player. I play mostly straight pool, but want to start playing some area 9-ball tournaments. He has a reputation of being a very lucky player, and I just wanted to see if I was good enough to overcome that luck.

Some people on here have told the OP to quit whining, that luck is part of the game, but in this guy's case, it's a HUGE part. And he knows it. He'll only play "anything goes" 9-ball. Take the luck out, and he wants no part.

I even told him after one runout he's the worst position player I've ever seen. I never saw anything like it. He broke and ran a rack without getting true shape on one ball. Slop (rattled a ball between the points only to have it bank over to the other corner), kicks (left himself hooked, but kicked it into a pocket), banks, back-cuts, etc. In his mind, as long as he can see the ball and any pocket to make it in, he got "shape".:confused:
 
Winston846 said:
Because I was a glutton for punishment. I don't play him regularly and I'm not much of a 9-ball player. I play mostly straight pool, but want to start playing some area 9-ball tournaments. He has a reputation of being a very lucky player, and I just wanted to see if I was good enough to overcome that luck.

Some people on here have told the OP to quit whining, that luck is part of the game, but in this guy's case, it's a HUGE part. And he knows it. He'll only play "anything goes" 9-ball. Take the luck out, and he wants no part.

I even told him after one runout he's the worst position player I've ever seen. I never saw anything like it. He broke and ran a rack without getting true shape on one ball. Slop (rattled a ball between the points only to have it bank over to the other corner), kicks (left himself hooked, but kicked it into a pocket), banks, back-cuts, etc. In his mind, as long as he can see the ball and any pocket to make it in, he got "shape".:confused:
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You want to see his luck run out real quick, tell him to go and play in the US Open.
I'll bet you, he'll be two and out.
 
poolmaster said:
You want to see his luck run out real quick, tell him to go and play in the US Open.
I'll bet you, he'll be two and out.
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Never happen. He'd get eaten alive. And he knows it. To his credit, he is a decent shot-maker. You have to be to play the game he does. He likes the "Holy sh*t - did you see that?" shots. And he has no concept of cue ball control or speed control. You would think for as many years as he's played there, he would have the speed of those tables down cold. He's clueless. With the speed he shoots, the CB usually goes 2 or more rails and ends up with a decent look at the next ball. Me... if I'm left with one of those "holy sh*t" shots, then I did something terribly wrong on the previous one. We play two different games. I try to keep things as simple as possible, he bangs balls around and counts on everything falling into place, which 90% of the time it does. Like I said, I've never seen anything like it.
 
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