Do The Top Ten In The WPBA Beat The 9-ball Ghost?

I recently had the pockets on my Gold Crown II shrunk down from 5" to about 4.5". The ghost now wins an average of 1 to 2 more racks against me in a race to 7 than it did before the change. Based on that, I would guess that a player who beats the ghost (whichever ghost they play) 50% of the time on 5" pockets may see their winning percentage drop to below 40% on 4.5" pockets, since many balls that "barely fell" will become balls that "nearly fell".

Aaron
 
This year the WPBA has tracked many statistics for all WPBA matches (not just the TV rounds). I'm not sure if this is public info or where to find it but I would be interested to know the B&R percentages of the top WPBA pros (keeping in mind that events are alternating break).
 
CrisDeLaGarza said:
This year the WPBA has tracked many statistics for all WPBA matches (not just the TV rounds). I'm not sure if this is public info or where to find it but I would be interested to know the B&R percentages of the top WPBA pros (keeping in mind that events are alternating break).
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The stats are on the WPBA web site. Five players were 15% to 19.4% for 2008 on the B&R. Johnnyt
 
there may be a handful that can beat the ghost in a long race on 4 1/2" pockets, but there are maybe a couple that will beat the ghost in an ahead set. either way, none of them will beat it consistently.
 
Aaron_S said:
I recently had the pockets on my Gold Crown II shrunk down from 5" to about 4.5". The ghost now wins an average of 1 to 2 more racks against me in a race to 7 than it did before the change. Based on that, I would guess that a player who beats the ghost (whichever ghost they play) 50% of the time on 5" pockets may see their winning percentage drop to below 40% on 4.5" pockets, since many balls that "barely fell" will become balls that "nearly fell".

Aaron
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For the first little while it's a bit tough, but I find that once you get used to them your percentage goes back up. If your table gets REALLY tough, try soft breaking. Leaving all the balls at one end of the table makes it much easier since you won't be using many power strokes.
 
On 4 1/2 inch pockets, any of the above can play the ghost and get action. There, I said it. Not that they can't make balls, but the balls do tie up. And in comparison to the men, well they have action.
 
Neil said:
It was a number of years back, but I have seen Ewa Mataya put down a 7 pack in a male dominated tournament. The best part was- she put it down on Jimmy Mataya after he was ahead and started mouthing off to her. She won.:thumbup: One of the few times Jimmy didn't have anything to say afterwards.:grin:
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That must have been real good as he always has somrthing to say.
 
I haven't crunched any numbers but watching the WPBA on ESPN recently it seems they do run from the break a significant portion of the time. Add BIH to the mix and I would think the top gals can beat the ghost 50% of the time.
 
grindz said:
a "B" player can win races to 10 in ghost 9 on a 9'

an "A" male player should do it more than 50% of the time

I would think a pro female player in the top 20 should be able to at least match the 50% of the time..... if they can't, why aren't they practicing?? :smile:

td
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I know pool is alittle weak were I live, but if you could let me know what part(s) of the country the b players play that speed, I would like to make sure I avoid that state:-)
 
crawfish said:
On 4 1/2 inch pockets, any of the above can play the ghost and get action. There, I said it. Not that they can't make balls, but the balls do tie up. And in comparison to the men, well they have action.
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If it's ball in hand after the break I bet on Kelly Fisher to beat it since she has already done it.

If it's not ball in hand after the break then I am not betting on anyone to do it simply because of the fact that balls get funny.
 
JB Cases said:
If it's ball in hand after the break I bet on Kelly Fisher to beat it since she has already done it.

If it's not ball in hand after the break then I am not betting on anyone to do it simply because of the fact that balls get funny.
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a lot of good things have to happen for her to do it. i'm not saying she can't do it but 1 bad break and she doesn't have to.

i think saying a B player can beat casper in a race to 10 is under rating him. if he does it 1 night that's one thing but people on here make it sound like a B player should be able to do it at the drop of a dime
 
poolplayer2093 said:
a lot of good things have to happen for her to do it. i'm not saying she can't do it but 1 bad break and she doesn't have to.

i think saying a B player can beat casper in a race to 10 is under rating him. if he does it 1 night that's one thing but people on here make it sound like a B player should be able to do it at the drop of a dime
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We aren't talking theory here in Kelly's case. If you really want to show how much you are mad at your money then go to Charlotte and bet her playing the 9-Ball Ghost with Ball in Hand after the break. You can bet races or ahead sets it makes no difference.

I have zero first hand knowledge of Karen and Allison's ability to beat the 9-ball ghost with BIH but honestly I am fond of keeping my money in my pocket so I don't want to bet against them on that proposition.

Kelly ran 7 racks from her break on TV during her first WPBA win. She closed out one set with a four pack and opened the next set with a three pack.

If anyone does get a bet down with Kelly I am in for everything I can get my hands on to bet on Kelly's side of it.

John
 
No "B" player on Earth is going to beat the nine or ten ball ghost. I have been all over the world and played in handicap tournaments all over the world. I have seen what people consider A players to be in more places that people can imagine.

I dare anyone on here to find me a player that everyone can agree on is a "b" player and I will bet high that he or she cannot beat the 9 or 10 ball ghost.
 
JB Cases said:
No "B" player on Earth is going to beat the nine or ten ball ghost. I have been all over the world and played in handicap tournaments all over the world. I have seen what people consider A players to be in more places that people can imagine.

I dare anyone on here to find me a player that everyone can agree on is a "b" player and I will bet high that he or she cannot beat the 9 or 10 ball ghost.
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I have heard from other people that live and play in Kelly Fishers area, and they all said they saw her beat the 9-ball ghost way more than 50% of the time for the cash. These are people that I trust and said they witnessed it and lost money betting against her doing it.

I am considered a "C+" player on a 9-footer and a "B" to "B+" on a 7-footer by good players thar know me and I can't beat it 50% of the time. What's strange is I come closer on a 9-footer than a 7-footer. Go figure. Johnnyt
 
JB Cases said:
We aren't talking theory here in Kelly's case. If you really want to show how much you are mad at your money then go to Charlotte and bet her playing the 9-Ball Ghost with Ball in Hand after the break. You can bet races or ahead sets it makes no difference.

I have zero first hand knowledge of Karen and Allison's ability to beat the 9-ball ghost with BIH but honestly I am fond of keeping my money in my pocket so I don't want to bet against them on that proposition.

Kelly ran 7 racks from her break on TV during her first WPBA win. She closed out one set with a four pack and opened the next set with a three pack.

If anyone does get a bet down with Kelly I am in for everything I can get my hands on to bet on Kelly's side of it.

John
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oooooh i guess you told me!

all i was saying is that funny things happen and she doesn't have to win. what kind of internet loser would i be to say "ok i'll stop what ever i have planned this week and fly to NC to bet on something" i'm no professional gambler bro.

my comments were more related to the b player comments everyone was making.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
oooooh i guess you told me!

all i was saying is that funny things happen and she doesn't have to win. what kind of internet loser would i be to say "ok i'll stop what ever i have planned this week and fly to NC to bet on something" i'm no professional gambler bro.

my comments were more related to the b player comments everyone was making.
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It wasn't directed at you personally PP. My comment was more in the general vein of poolroom barking.

The point is that she does beat it more than half the time which means that even if she loses some she will still win more times than she loses, thus she already beats the ghost.

You are far more likely to lose to the ghost if you play a race because you have a finite amount of games to play. For example in a race to five you have to run out at least five times in nine games to win it. If you play five ahead then you can run out four, lose four, run four, lose four, and so on all night until you lose too many or win the required amount.

Your contention, while valid, really only applies to one given set. I believe that most of us are talking about beating the ghost consistently, which Kelly Fisher can do.
 
JB Cases said:
It wasn't directed at you personally PP. My comment was more in the general vein of poolroom barking.

The point is that she does beat it more than half the time which means that even if she loses some she will still win more times than she loses, thus she already beats the ghost.

You are far more likely to lose to the ghost if you play a race because you have a finite amount of games to play. For example in a race to five you have to run out at least five times in nine games to win it. If you play five ahead then you can run out four, lose four, run four, lose four, and so on all night until you lose too many or win the required amount.

Your contention, while valid, really only applies to one given set. I believe that most of us are talking about beating the ghost consistently, which Kelly Fisher can do.
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I pick the table. I will not fly anywhere for $100 a set. But, there are three of us that will go in for a buck a set on the front Diamond at Shooters in Greensboro. You sir, may bet $300 or more in races to nine betting on Kelly. I know how Chewy came out. I would also bet on Chewy playing Kelly. Man, you really have a thing for Kelly. She is a great player, but the ghost can be a bear if the balls don't spread right. Yes, break and ball in hand. There we have it. And it's half way between Charlotte and Raleigh. Hour and 15 min. For both of us. One of us might win a grand. Not surgeon wages, but a fun afternoon. I am not being aggressive here. Just using what little knowledge I have. Hell, on a fast table, good rails, 5 inch pockets, you and I might beat the ghost. I was hidden in the wings and have seen you play, also. Not too shabby, my fantastic casemaker. Not too shabby.

I just outed you.
 
crawfish said:
I pick the table. I will not fly anywhere for $100 a set. But, there are three of us that will go in for a buck a set on the front Diamond at Shooters in Greensboro. You sir, may bet $300 or more in races to nine betting on Kelly. I know how Chewy came out. I would also bet on Chewy playing Kelly. Man, you really have a thing for Kelly. She is a great player, but the ghost can be a bear if the balls don't spread right. Yes, break and ball in hand. There we have it. And it's half way between Charlotte and Raleigh. Hour and 15 min. For both of us. One of us might win a grand. Not surgeon wages, but a fun afternoon. I am not being aggressive here. Just using what little knowledge I have. Hell, on a fast table, good rails, 5 inch pockets, you and I might beat the ghost. I was hidden in the wings and have seen you play, also. Not too shabby, my fantastic casemaker. Not too shabby.

I just outed you.
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How tight are the pockets on this table you speak of in Greensboro? Johnnyt
 
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