Does a good cue make the player or does a good player make the cue?

A good cue is an asset, but without good skills, it's just a stick. The cue making business is in hopes the you might think a nicer cue will make you a better player. We are a consumer nation, "the great Paper Plate Society", buying new & newer good makes the world go around.

If you ever witnessed a great player beat someone with a broom, you'd instantly know the answer to this question.

And there is is this commonly used phrase, "It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian".

Merry Christmas to everyone, hope you all have a great day.

It helps if the arrow is straight
 
No it doesn't. It helps if the user has some confidence in the arrow.

Probably in the top three cuesticks with which I have run the most tables is a cue that was in a dive bar in Seattle about ten years ago. The one piece cue was SOOOOOOO warped that you could tell from 25 feet away. Seriously, this thing must have been 1.5" out of straight. It did, however, have a great tip and no dings (nobody but I would use it). I won literally a couple of hundred drinks/$5 bets off of that cue.

It isn't the cue, it doesn't matter if it is straight. It matters if you have confidence in the cue.

dld

Did you use the warp to your advantage when applying english?:wink:


You may be on the next breakthrough in cue design.:thumbup:
 
the only thing where the cue could improve a players game is when the cue is perfectly matched to the players preferences; taper, tip diameter, weight, balance etc
im not a good player but i know that i feel much more comfortable with my cue than for example with a cue with an 11mm diameter

more comfort=more consistency=better results

for the rest id say a good player, used to whatever stick, will nearly always win against an inferiror player (example? Earl beat up everyone using a cuetec ;))

Earl also said that he was giving up the eight to everyone because of that cuetec. To say that Earl doesn't understand the science of pool is practically heresy. He spent alot of time working on the perfect cue for his stroke and he plays pretty damn well. The only person that beats Earl is Earl.
 
usta do the same

Did you use the warp to your advantage when applying english?:wink:


You may be on the next breakthrough in cue design.:thumbup:

A stick with one big warp played just fine and in the dives was often the best stick in the house. A stick I've never seen one like before or since was a treat on the old ten footer in one place. Had the longest pro taper ever before there was even such a thing. A zero taper shaft all the way to the fixed joint then the stick jumped to full handle size. That 28"-30" peg had a heck of a warp in it and nobody played with that funny looking cue. I could always grab it and it played just fine. Easy to bridge all he way to the joint if you needed to also, handy on the ten footer.

Hu
 
Happy New Yaer to you and the family, Richie.

cOME ON lOCK,you know a great pool player can play with any house cue!

Shhhhhh! I am trying to see how other people feel about this subject! It is not about me! Other AZB's thoughts are important to me! Thanks Richie.
Many Regards,
Lock n Load.
 
A Pool mCuye Doesn'y Improve One's Knowledge

A good cue doesn't improve or expand one's knowledge of the game or their skills level one bit. You're stiullm the same player whether you're using a house cue off the wall rack or a Gus Szamboti cue.

But just like when you get a new puuter, driver or a set of gold clubs, your interest peeks and you think this will help and you try harder...it usualy works for awhiel...and then the old habits set in and you're back to hacking.

The difference with a pool cue is there is a feel difference with better cues and trhe feel translates into "improving" your stroke and over time, you will become a better player but that's because you're more motivated and just try harder.

Ultimately one always has to remember that pool is a game that's first and foreamost played between the ears even more so than on the Simonis cloth.

Matt
 
So long as a cue meets some basic requirements ie: being somewhat straight, good tip, reasonably balanced, not way too thick or thin in the handle or taper, ect. the rest is all the player. At around $40 you can acquire a cue good enough to play world class pool.

corrrect.....
 
Cue or player

I have seen a lot of players over the years use a house cue. Some were okay, some were not. I would say their game goes down 10-20%.

So I am going to say 80% player, 20% cue.
 
Very good, Snapshot9....

I have seen a lot of players over the years use a house cue. Some were okay, some were not. I would say their game goes down 10-20%.

So I am going to say 80% player, 20% cue.

I like what you just said! Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Hello Chris, Happy New Year to you and your family.

lock
are you going to dcc?

I do not know yet, I may have to work. If I can get someone to work in my place I might go. When are you coming to New Orleans? Very good to hear from you too.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
The skill lies in the man. The cue is just a reflection of that man.

True it is better to play with a cue that you are used to but any "good" player should be able to pick up any straight cue and lay waste.
 
I do not know yet, I may have to work. If I can get someone to work in my place I might go. When are you coming to New Orleans? Very good to hear from you too.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

not sure about going to new orleans prolly when i start playing pool again.
which should be this week.
if you go to dcc come up and say hi i would like to meet you.
 
I hear a common theme here...

I keep hearing a common theme from those who say that it is ALL indian and that is that you take a really good player and they can play with anything...

The problem with that statement is that you are starting off with a really good player.

I want to meet the REALLY good player that never played with anything but a crappy cue, or practiced the majority of the time it took them to get as good as they are with a crappy cue, or multiple different crappy cues.

One of the tricks to getting better in this game is to be able to isolate the causes of the mistakes you make.

The better able you are to isolate the causes of the mistakes that provide you negative re-enforcement the quicker you will rise to a higher level of player.

The problem with playing with a bad cue, playing with poor mechanics etc... is that you get positive re-enforcement for negative behavior.

If you make two bad mistakes that cancel each other out, and you make the shot, you are programming your muscle memory to make those mistakes.

Get a good cue, it will help some.

Jaden

p.s. the fact that I make cues has nothing to do with the above opinion.

:thumbup:
 
I sure will do that, Chris.

not sure about going to new orleans prolly when i start playing pool again.
which should be this week.
if you go to dcc come up and say hi i would like to meet you.

It would be a real pleasure to meet you. Thanks for the invite to meet you.
Take it easy and keep those great shooting skills up to par!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
I have always said, "A good cue will make a good player better, but it will not make a bad player good."
 
No it doesn't. It helps if the user has some confidence in the arrow.

Probably in the top three cuesticks with which I have run the most tables is a cue that was in a dive bar in Seattle about ten years ago. The one piece cue was SOOOOOOO warped that you could tell from 25 feet away. Seriously, this thing must have been 1.5" out of straight. It did, however, have a great tip and no dings (nobody but I would use it). I won literally a couple of hundred drinks/$5 bets off of that cue.

It isn't the cue, it doesn't matter if it is straight. It matters if you have confidence in the cue.

dld

a lot of squirt huh LOL
 
Jaden...You've heard of Efren? He played with very crappy cues for most of his life...didn't seem to hinder him much. just sayin' :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I want to meet the REALLY good player that never played with anything but a crappy cue, or practiced the majority of the time it took them to get as good as they are with a crappy cue, or multiple different crappy cues.

Jaden

p.s. the fact that I make cues has nothing to do with the above opinion.

:thumbup:
 
Not quite indians and arrows but... I spent the last 16 years of my career teaching firearms at the police academy. It was a rare recruit or officer that was a better shot than most any pistol on the line. In combat shooting pretty much any gun with any ammo could punch 50 out of 50 in a Q target with a top shooter. The average shooter was never going to see a 100% score.

But in precision rifle shooting, keeping three rounds inside an inch or less at one hundred yards (MOA) even the best shooters needed the best ammo and a well tuned rifle. Of course here too, the shooter had to be very good.
 
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