Draw Shot
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I don't know the history concerning the derivation of the term 'English' to refer to spin or side-spin, but the dominant English game up until about the 1950's or so was English Billiards, the primary scoring shots being cannons (caroms) and in-offs (scratches). On these shots, side spin is used with great frequency.BillYards said:
I dont understand why this is better to do then using back spin. It seems to be just a gimmick. Let me know if im way off base.
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Well, it seems that is what he was talking about, and many players do know that using running side will give speed to the cue ball. I think ID's problem started when he said "draw" the ball back, since nearly everyone else thinks "draw" means backspin that will rub on the bed cloth. He's free to think of side spin as "draw" on the cushion if he wants to since there's no law against it, although there should be.Samiel said:
And the Winner is...
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henho said:
It's the fade that gets you in pool every time.
I do believe that "english" is a term meaning to hit the cue ball off of the center point, basically any shot that deviates using the natural spin the cue ball will get when shot to the object ball. This would include draw, follow, left, right, 7 o'clock, stop shots, etc.
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Having taught for many years this concept turned out to be helpful for my students to 'coceptulize' the affect when pure/horizontal plane side spin hits the (rail cloth nose) coming off a ball, most all student think you can ONLY DRAW the ball to get it down table off the rail. One of the most difficult aspects of teaching someone, is communication, where the body language, eye contact, and questions/dialogue are on the same page/ only then can an instructor move forward. I found it normally took 20 minutes to work on something that a student did not understand, before they 'really' got it, you can't just tell em. Bernardo tortured me till I figured it out, because I was always playing the shot like a small cue ball but the frikin' ball would NEVER come down table off the rail tho he did it at ease. The spinning cue ball hit with the 9/3 o'clock spin that hits the rail immediately after striking the object ball transfers the most spin to the nose rail cloth, now as you proportionally hit the shot harder and harder the effect obviously lessens. Thx IM
Having taught for many years this concept turned out to be helpful for my students to 'coceptulize' the affect when pure/horizontal plane side spin hits the (rail cloth nose) coming off a ball, most all student think you can ONLY DRAW the ball to get it down table off the rail. One of the most difficult aspects of teaching someone, is communication, where the body language, eye contact, and questions/dialogue are on the same page/ only then can an instructor move forward. I found it normally took 20 minutes to work on something that a student did not understand, before they 'really' got it, you can't just tell em. Bernardo tortured me till I figured it out, because I was always playing the shot like a small cue ball but the frikin' ball would NEVER come down table off the rail tho he did it at ease. The spinning cue ball hit with the 9/3 o'clock spin that hits the rail immediately after striking the object ball transfers the most spin to the nose rail cloth, now as you proportionally hit the shot harder and harder the effect obviously lessens. Thx IM
BillYards said:
I think we can safely say that we call things by geography because the first person or people the locals saw "do it" was from that geographical location.
Take games we like to call Chicago, Alabama 8-ball, etc. Those games were most likely brought from Chicago, or brought from Alabama. In Alabama, they may just call it old rules 8-ball, and in Chicago, they may not call it anything. In parts of Canada, they call what we know as a regular set of pool balls "Boston pool balls."
I've always assumed that the first time anyone in America saw extreme spin shots, they were called English Shots, because the guy was shooting them was English. OTOH, I've always theorized that the term "massé" when first used was an English bastardization of Marseille, France. Since it was a frenchman who invented the leather tip and revolutionized billiards, it's not a far fetch to suppose that a man from Marseille first showed an Englishman extreme spin. In Boston, many people pronounce massé the same (or really close to) Marseille. And the English and the Bostonians have very similar pronunciation bastardizations.
Incidentally, I've heard a few professionals say "bottom english" or "draw english." It may hurt the ears to hear, but it's not unheard of, so-to-speak (so-to-hear?). Of course, you'll also hear more often "low, right-hand english," as opposed to "right-hand draw."
Fred <~~~ that's my guesses.
Island Drive said:
My only question is who would want to play with an oversized/heavy cueball anyway? That's why the only time I play on bar tables is during a league or a tourney when they are using a regulation cueball...lol.
Although, I must say that it is pretty funny to set up a straight in shot and shoot it with a hard draw stroke and watch the cue follow the object ball for a few inchess before it starts to come back...lol.
Cornerman said:
I live in Canada and have travelled the country, I've never in all my life heard of Boston pool balls, Are they Irish?