Earl/Shane score

[crabbcatjohn]

Tennis,Golf,track,even bowling that draws more money than pool,they seem to play with much better sportsmanship.Your comparing team sports to individual sports. And yes I know in the mma and boxing are solo sports and theirs cheering and yelling,so i guess we should teach the young up and comers in pool that cheating is okay and the fine science of sharking is just part of the game?The Real Professionals don't need to cheat to win...Period...End of discussion

I never stated that i thought in any way it was ok to shark in pool. I also do not in any way shark or attempt to shark myself. Never have. I also teach young people the right way to play pool without sharking and the honesty part of it. So we need to get that straight.
The entire context of my post/
posts were about being able to perform under these circumstances. It happens constantly in every single sport, team or not, includeing the ones you mentioned. For your information John Mc Enroe was one of the best sharkers ever...(he's a tennis guy) Pool and Golf are probably the least sharked sports out there at least that i can think of.. The truly great players can see it when it happens overcome it. Thats all i was saying

 

[The Saw]

The Saw made a statement about TOURNAMENT matches where Earl plays other pros and sharks them. I was referring to a tournament match Earl and i played and i was agreeing with the Saw. Those two posts had NOTHING to do with YOU. ZERO, ZIP, NADA. So in the future if the posts dont pertain to you take your own advice and stay out of them.

Yeah, what he said.......

 

[Celtic]

I know exactly why Earl lost, and Shane won, question is, do any of you really know?

I know exactly why Earl lost as I have been on both sides of what happend today to him. I have beaten people who did what Earl did, and I have at times also done the exact same thing that Earl did.

You talk about "heart" in a pretty wishy washy way Glen, and it is not the heart where Earl lost, it was all in the brain if you really want to get right down to it. Earl has almost no self esteem and has a very low amount of confidence despite his massive skills. What scares Earl more then anything is not losing a match, but getting beat in a match. Earl fears putting his 100% into matches because IF he does that and loses then he actually got beat, and his ego cannot handle that. What happend tonight though? Earl can handle that, because Shane did not beat him, Earl beat himself, so his ego is far less damaged then it would have been had Earl played his heart out and lost the match.

That is why Earl did what he did, he self destructed so that he did not have to face the possiblity of Shane actually beating him in the match. Earl can sleep soundly knowing that Shane won because he let him win, ego secure, still the best player on the planet. You think it was a lack of heart, some would look a little lower in the anatomy to find out what he is REALLY lacking and what he needs to find in order to actually put his 100% effort out there to win, complete with the chance to really and honestly lose.

 

[westcoast]

I know exactly why Earl lost as I have been on both sides of what happend today to him. I have beaten people who did what Earl did, and I have at times also done the exact same thing that Earl did.

You talk about "heart" in a pretty wishy washy way Glen, and it is not the heart where Earl lost, it was all in the brain if you really want to get right down to it. Earl has almost no self esteem and has a very low amount of confidence despite his massive skills. What scares Earl more then anything is not losing a match, but getting beat in a match. Earl fears putting his 100% into matches because IF he does that and loses then he actually got beat, and his ego cannot handle that. What happend tonight though? Earl can handle that, because Shane did not beat him, Earl beat himself, so his ego is far less damaged then it would have been had Earl played his heart out and lost the match.

That is why Earl did what he did, he self destructed so that he did not have to face the possiblity of Shane actually beating him in the match. Earl can sleep soundly knowing that Shane won because he let him win, ego secure, still the best player on the planet. You think it was a lack of heart, some would look a little lower in the anatomy to find out what he is REALLY lacking and what he needs to find in order to actually put his 100% effort out there to win, complete with the chance to really and honestly lose.

Very well said

When they had the stream running at the end (after the match), Earl said "I'm a f-ing a-hole. I'm going to die alone"- cuts right to how he feels about himself- I know people say things they don't mean after a loss, but part of him believes it

 

[OnTheMF]

I know exactly why Earl lost as I have been on both sides of what happend today to him. I have beaten people who did what Earl did, and I have at times also done the exact same thing that Earl did.

You talk about "heart" in a pretty wishy washy way Glen, and it is not the heart where Earl lost, it was all in the brain if you really want to get right down to it. Earl has almost no self esteem and has a very low amount of confidence despite his massive skills. What scares Earl more then anything is not losing a match, but getting beat in a match. Earl fears putting his 100% into matches because IF he does that and loses then he actually got beat, and his ego cannot handle that. What happend tonight though? Earl can handle that, because Shane did not beat him, Earl beat himself, so his ego is far less damaged then it would have been had Earl played his heart out and lost the match.

That is why Earl did what he did, he self destructed so that he did not have to face the possiblity of Shane actually beating him in the match. Earl can sleep soundly knowing that Shane won because he let him win, ego secure, still the best player on the planet. You think it was a lack of heart, some would look a little lower in the anatomy to find out what he is REALLY lacking and what he needs to find in order to actually put his 100% effort out there to win, complete with the chance to really and honestly lose.

That sums it up nicely. I'm sure everyone knows quite a few players who have fallen into the same trap.

 

[crabbcatjohn]

response to sharking

I dont think you will find to many pro baseball players yelling hey batter batter and there is rules against distracting the other team in the rule book. Basketball pros dont wave those annoying batons its the fans do all of these players are professional and so should Earl he is forsure one of the true great players of the game but acting this way is a far cry from professional maybe he belongs in little league

Lets see...baseball... the guy steps out of the box right before the guy is ready to throw the pitch trying to break his rythum. Or the catcher smacks his glove and moves around behind the plate trying to fool you on where the pitch is. Or the picher throws the ball way inside to "Back" you off the plate... I must have missed those anti distraction rules in the book... there are a lot more... Basketball... how about a little trash talking.....It can get pretty brutal out there and some of stuff those "proffesionals" say make Earl look like a saint...What do you think that is. And for your information, the home team hands out all of those batons and distraction toys to the fans behind the baskets to wave around before the guys shoot free throws.... We probably need some of that in pool... That would make it really interesting on the game winning 9 ball shot...Of course you can always say in those other sports its just part of the game...

 

[Taco]

I know exactly why Earl lost as I have been on both sides of what happend today to him. I have beaten people who did what Earl did, and I have at times also done the exact same thing that Earl did.

You talk about "heart" in a pretty wishy washy way Glen, and it is not the heart where Earl lost, it was all in the brain if you really want to get right down to it. Earl has almost no self esteem and has a very low amount of confidence despite his massive skills. What scares Earl more then anything is not losing a match, but getting beat in a match. Earl fears putting his 100% into matches because IF he does that and loses then he actually got beat, and his ego cannot handle that. What happend tonight though? Earl can handle that, because Shane did not beat him, Earl beat himself, so his ego is far less damaged then it would have been had Earl played his heart out and lost the match.

That is why Earl did what he did, he self destructed so that he did not have to face the possiblity of Shane actually beating him in the match. Earl can sleep soundly knowing that Shane won because he let him win, ego secure, still the best player on the planet. You think it was a lack of heart, some would look a little lower in the anatomy to find out what he is REALLY lacking and what he needs to find in order to actually put his 100% effort out there to win, complete with the chance to really and honestly lose.

Tap, tap. Great insight. Right on the money.

 

[Masirib5]

I know exactly why Earl lost as I have been on both sides of what happend today to him. I have beaten people who did what Earl did, and I have at times also done the exact same thing that Earl did.

You talk about "heart" in a pretty wishy washy way Glen, and it is not the heart where Earl lost, it was all in the brain if you really want to get right down to it. Earl has almost no self esteem and has a very low amount of confidence despite his massive skills. What scares Earl more then anything is not losing a match, but getting beat in a match. Earl fears putting his 100% into matches because IF he does that and loses then he actually got beat, and his ego cannot handle that. What happend tonight though? Earl can handle that, because Shane did not beat him, Earl beat himself, so his ego is far less damaged then it would have been had Earl played his heart out and lost the match.

That is why Earl did what he did, he self destructed so that he did not have to face the possiblity of Shane actually beating him in the match. Earl can sleep soundly knowing that Shane won because he let him win, ego secure, still the best player on the planet. You think it was a lack of heart, some would look a little lower in the anatomy to find out what he is REALLY lacking and what he needs to find in order to actually put his 100% effort out there to win, complete with the chance to really and honestly lose.

Except for the part about Glen in your post Celtic, I think you have captured exactly what Earl is all about. I really feel sorry for him and I think he needs to get better medical care and meds to help even him out even if that means that he doesn't play as good as he currently does.

--Jeff

 

[AtLarge]

... he self destructed so that he did not have to face the possiblity of Shane actually beating him in the match. ...

Could be. But he also lost because

• the cloth was too wet on Friday;and
• Shane took too long to rack; and
• Shane took too long over shots; and
• Shane always had an open shot after Earl's dry breaks, but Earl never had an open shot after Shane's dry breaks; and
• Earl got some "boings" off the cushions, causing him to lose position; and
• Shane cheated by not hitting the break shot harder; and
• everyone in the "crowd" was rooting for Shane; and
• balls rolling slowly toward the pockets always fell in for Shane but not for Earl; and
• the music was too loud at times; and
• the commentators were too loud at times; and
• .........................

At least that's what he told us.

 

[richiebalto]

I know exactly why Earl lost as I have been on both sides of what happend today to him. I have beaten people who did what Earl did, and I have at times also done the exact same thing that Earl did.

You talk about "heart" in a pretty wishy washy way Glen, and it is not the heart where Earl lost, it was all in the brain if you really want to get right down to it. Earl has almost no self esteem and has a very low amount of confidence despite his massive skills. What scares Earl more then anything is not losing a match, but getting beat in a match. Earl fears putting his 100% into matches because IF he does that and loses then he actually got beat, and his ego cannot handle that. What happend tonight though? Earl can handle that, because Shane did not beat him, Earl beat himself, so his ego is far less damaged then it would have been had Earl played his heart out and lost the match.

That is why Earl did what he did, he self destructed so that he did not have to face the possiblity of Shane actually beating him in the match. Earl can sleep soundly knowing that Shane won because he let him win, ego secure, still the best player on the planet. You think it was a lack of heart, some would look a little lower in the anatomy to find out what he is REALLY lacking and what he needs to find in order to actually put his 100% effort out there to win, complete with the chance to really and honestly lose.

In my opinion,this is an excellent post CELTIC,I AGREE 100 %,you nailed it!

 

[jamesroberts]

I think realkingcobra and thebighurt should play a set on the pool table, settle it like men !

 

[Grilled Cheese]

That is why Earl did what he did, he self destructed so that he did not have to face the possibility of Shane actually beating him in the match. Earl can sleep soundly knowing that Shane won because he let him win, ego secure, still the best player on the planet.

100% correct. One of the most astute posts about Earl ever.

Same thing happened in the C.O.M. match against Efren. He feels the heat, and rather than play his heart out and accept the outcome, positive or negative - he rather throw it. He blew it against Efren. He should have never lost, even when Efren mounted a huge comeback. He had the innings and opportunity to close him out. Instead there was a completely unforced, unprovoked, unjustified meltdown. Total self destruction.


Earl is a great tournament champion. Earl is a loser when it comes to one on one. That's the difference. A tournament is a contest against many different players. A challenge match is against an individual. From an ego standpoint, the heads up challenge match is more definitive of who is better.

Earl's pride or ego, whatever it may be, plagues and haunts him to where he self destructs. I like Earl. I respect the fact that he has incredible accomplishments. But his nonsense is getting old. Even for someone as patient as I am. Earl is showing the signs that he will be 80 years old and still talking the same way, and thinking the same way. He's an amazing player even at his age. Many thought he was done. He's obviously not. He brought back his game. After all, Efren was playing some of his best pool in later years. Why not Earl? What Earl has lost isn't his skills, it's his MIND. Whatever his problem is, it is degenerative. You need both body and mind to be a winner. As time goes on, it only gets worse for Earl. Because it's no longer a confidence thing going on in his head, it's also a psychological battle with being over the hill or a has been. All of this is bouncing around in his skull and it's overload for him. The way he was talking in that podcast....look, he's always been a bit of a nut. But this is different. This is someone who is nuts who is also now scared, who is unsure of themselves, who doesn't know how to let go, who is confused about his life and his role in pool. I think Earl doesn't know how to handle the reality that at some point, he will not be one of the best in the world.


I tend to admire players who prevailed and were successful in challenge matches and gambling. Shane has a ton of heart. Shane has BALLS. Shane is the man because he agrees to everyone's BS rules and still beats them. By doing that, Shane completely shuts down any kind of excuse making they might have. Shuts the door on controversy or accusations. He beat them at their own game! By doing so, Shane in turn validates his victories beyond any doubt. Not only that, but he shows big time bravery and confidence by demonstrating he's willing to play their game and beat them at it.


I also love Shane's attitude. He is very humble and does his talking with his cue. Shane is what American pool needs. I just hope it's not too late for American pool.


I don't know what's in Shane's future...but if he still has room for improvement...watch out!

 

[Grilled Cheese]

Shane says wanna play again and "I gave you everything you wanted".

Devastating.

 

[conetip]

I am glad that the bad sportsmanship player lost.He did not let Shane win. That is BS.
If Earl is the best in the world, He would have won the event and not carry on like he does.
I did not watch the event, but have seen the results and heard the stories.Sure he can play, but the guy needs professional help.

Even if the match was free to air, I would not be watching someone who brings disrespect to the sport.There are alot of good people doing great things for the various table games, and it only takes a few selfish idiots to ruin a reputation of a great sport.

Congratulations to Shane for winning and not letting the Kindy kid get the better of him.
Neil

 

[Realizm]

I know exactly why Earl lost, and Shane won, question is, do any of you really know? You're all upset over Earl losing, but the Earl you feel that lost, was the Earl of the past, when Earl was much younger, the Earl that showed the world that he was indeed...a world beater, and proved it on a regular basis. The Earl you watched play Shane for the last 3 days was just a figure of the old Earl, the new Earl is much older than before, though in great shape, his heart is the problem, it beats a little slower today, than when he was the Earl of old. When he was running out racks before, he was like a quarter horse out the gate, down the track in lightning speed to the finish line, but today...he needed to run like an Arabian long distance champion horse....like Shane is, but that takes a big heart...a heart that'll go the full distance, not just...most of the way

The last time I saw someone with a heart as big as it takes to win...with age, was George Foreman, when he knocked out Michael Moore for the world heavyweight championship...even after losing the first 11 rounds, he still didn't quit, and when Moore stood still just long enough for him to hit him and knock him out...he finally won...for the last time!

Earl has to decide for himself, how much he wants to win...and decide how he's going to find that ability to stay focused to do so, because the one thing he has to understand...and admit to himself first....is that what ever he did in the past...won't help him win today.

Yep, Earl can spin the cue ball probably better than anyone on this planet, but...spinning the cue ball and missing the shot don't help win the games need to win. Spinning the cue ball and making balls...for short distances...won't win in the long run, but spinning the cue ball, making the balls...and staying focused for as long as it takes to win...that's where Earl falls down in the end, that's because age is taking over the place of heart, and the will to win...and pride is what keeps Earl going today.

Dam i juist read this whole thing and you said it all my freind ... Great way of putting it ...

 

[paksat]

very nice post Celtic.. that's not heart, it's ego.. go back to your cave earl, this time you didn't get away with it.

 

[houmatroy]

I know exactly why Earl lost as I have been on both sides of what happend today to him. I have beaten people who did what Earl did, and I have at times also done the exact same thing that Earl did.

You talk about "heart" in a pretty wishy washy way Glen, and it is not the heart where Earl lost, it was all in the brain if you really want to get right down to it. Earl has almost no self esteem and has a very low amount of confidence despite his massive skills. What scares Earl more then anything is not losing a match, but getting beat in a match. Earl fears putting his 100% into matches because IF he does that and loses then he actually got beat, and his ego cannot handle that. What happend tonight though? Earl can handle that, because Shane did not beat him, Earl beat himself, so his ego is far less damaged then it would have been had Earl played his heart out and lost the match.

That is why Earl did what he did, he self destructed so that he did not have to face the possiblity of Shane actually beating him in the match. Earl can sleep soundly knowing that Shane won because he let him win, ego secure, still the best player on the planet. You think it was a lack of heart, some would look a little lower in the anatomy to find out what he is REALLY lacking and what he needs to find in order to actually put his 100% effort out there to win, complete with the chance to really and honestly lose.

Yep...What Earl did & how he acted was pretty much the same thing as when Mike Tyson bit off Evander Hollyfields ear off....just a different ring


The mental part of it anyway...The way his thought process wasn't letting him see actual reality....He would rather just act a @ss with all that smoke n mirrors as a shield.

 

[Woof Biscuit]

I think realkingcobra and thebighurt should play a set on the pool table, settle it like men !

I got a dime on thebighurt!

 

[metallicane]

Earl needs help. His antics are not that a healthy person does. It is a shame a guy with that much talent thinks the world is out to get him.

 

[PETROBOY]

Lets see...baseball... the guy steps out of the box right before the guy is ready to throw the pitch trying to break his rythum. Or the catcher smacks his glove and moves around behind the plate trying to fool you on where the pitch is. Or the picher throws the ball way inside to "Back" you off the plate... I must have missed those anti distraction rules in the book... there are a lot more... Basketball... how about a little trash talking.....It can get pretty brutal out there and some of stuff those "proffesionals" say make Earl look like a saint...What do you think that is. And for your information, the home team hands out all of those batons and distraction toys to the fans behind the baskets to wave around before the guys shoot free throws.... We probably need some of that in pool... That would make it really interesting on the game winning 9 ball shot...Of course you can always say in those other sports its just part of the game...

You cant even compare those baseball actions to pool sharking for starters they arent ment to distract anyone batters only step out if a pitcher takes to long this isnt to throw off the rythum but to make sure he is set for the pitch and I guarantee not one pro batter looks to see what the catcher is doing to see where a pitch is thats little league stuff. as for basketball trash talk Im sure it happens I dont watch enough to say how bad it is but it is a different type of game with both sides playing at the same time, pool is more like golf with each player playing in turn, even hack golfers dont make noise or act out when the other player is shooting. I think it doesnt matter what other sports do we play pool and the pros who play this game should be respectfull to the game, equipment, other players and fans no matter if its in a tournament, gambling or just playing for fun. The lack of a proper tour and high prize money is no excuse to play and act like a little leaguer but thats my opionion.