Earl Strickland's antics at the Mosconi Cup...

[JAM]

You're letting your prejudices show again Jam. Why would it matter where you come from if the issue is Earl Strickland's behaviour? Are you ignoring all the Americans attacking Earl Strickland's behaviour? Do you accept their comments but not ours because we're European?

If you are not aware, I have defended Earl against Europeans and Americans alike. Take a walk on the Search function and find out for yourself!

And where has anyone said they didn't like the atmosphere of the Mosconi cup?

It has been expressed on this forum that some readers desire pool to not resemble a WWW- or soccer-like atmosphere. Do you think that link looks like anything but a WWW- or soccer-like atmosphere? You can't have it both ways. Some readers seem to blame Earl Strickland for the WWW- or soccer-like atmosphere, but from what I could ascertain on that link, it was the audience who contributed to the WWW- or soccer-like atmosphere at the Mosconi Cup.

And you still haven't answered the question. At what time in that video is the heckling?

I can't play it right now to find the spots. I am recording a webcast for my work. The sound of the YouTube would bleed over into my webcast recording. Maybe later today, after I transcribe this job, I will post up the times for you.

JAM

 

[Boro Nut]

On the one hand, I didn't mind seeing Daryl Peach claim the victory of the 2007 WPC. He has certainly paid his dues and been involved in pool for many, many years. It was a breath of fresh air for England, I am sure.

It got a mention in the Blackpool papers I'm sure, but nobody noticed Jam. There was zero mention in any news that I am aware of. Pool is not a sport taken seriously in the UK. And strangely, my recollection at the time was of you very pointedly picking anyone to cheer for as long as it wasn't a European, and specifically not a Brit. So the only time you could have not minded Daryl winning it was when he'd won. That's a bit late. If you have since softened you stance I'm pleased.

Boro Nut

 

[JAM]

get real....

I am real. You, on the other hand, are a forum heckler. Wear your crown proudly. Your contributions to this forum pool-related are just about nill.

As far as me not having any idea whether my remarks were true or not true, I heard a few things from the horse's mouth. In fact, it is the things that I did not post, out of courtesy, which would raise eyebrows, and it has nothing at all to do with Wych.

After reading Jerry Forsyth's thread, as well as seeing the interview Jerry had on AZBTV with Wych, I edited my remarks out of common decency to Wych, whom I do admire and respect.

Funny thing is the media can take potshots at players in print and on the air, but when it happens to one of their own, the shoe on the other foot is quite uncomfortable.

JAM

 

[Blackjack]

He won because of the bird break. Otherwise, if the rules were different, so, too, would be the 2007 WPC champion.

JAM

I completely disagree.

Darryl went through hell to raise that trophy high above his head. When the smoke cleared, he was the only man left. Very few can make that claim. To win that title you have to be the best - and last month in Manila, Darryl Peach was.

If Corey (an American player) would have won using the soft break, would you have the same opinion? Corey is a great player and the best shotmaker I have ever see in my lifetime. He wins because he has the heart of a champion. So does Darryl Peach.

Right now, ALL players (regardless of country of origin) could learn a lot by watching Darryl and the fight and tenacity that he showed - match after match after match. He won because he is a champion, not because of a flaw in the rules. Until we (as a country) start looking at that and doing something about it - we'll continue to play 10 ball. JMO.

 

[Boro Nut]

If you are not aware, I have defended Earl against Europeans and Americans alike. Take a walk on the Search function and find out for yourself!

Maybe you have Jam, but that's not the point. You specifically said 'European'. You said you would only do it when Europeans attacked Earls behaviour, not when anyone attacked Earl's behaviour. It's what is known as a Freudian slip.

Boro Nut

 

[sneak_peter]

I will post it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN every single time the Europeans attack Earl Strickland's behavior, all the while claiming they desire a non-WWW-like atmosphere for pool.
JAM

maybe it changes your mind, when he?s calling you an ass**** when you ask for an autograph...

or a motherf***** or or or... take earl away, then you get the athmosphere, that you want!

you cannot demand respect for a person, who doesn't respect you! and i mean respect, with a capitol r!

 

[JAM]

It got a mention in the Blackpool papers I'm sure, but nobody noticed Jam. There was zero mention in any news that I am aware of. Pool is not a sport taken seriously in the UK. And strangely, my recollection at the time was of you very pointedly picking anyone to cheer for as long as it wasn't a European, and specifically not a Brit. So the only time you could have not minded Daryl winning it was when he'd won. That's a bit late. If you have since softened you stance I'm pleased.

Same thing happens here in the States. Multi-million-dollar IPT events and not one mention in the non-pool-related media. The hot dog eating contests get more hype from the media than pool in the States.

Look, I am happy for any pool player to win such a great championship. I don't care what his nationality, race, creed, or color is. The sweet victory is one feeling I am sure we call can relate to.

I was rooting for the Americans at the WPC, but when they got knocked out, I was pulling for two Filipino players. Bustamante is a friend of mine, and I would have liked nothing better than to see him win. He, too, like Peach, has certainly paid his dues. I came to like the young Gomez, after reading his story, and that is why I pulled for him to win against Peach.

FWIW, there are two British players who I really like, mainly because of their demeanor on and off the table. I got a chance to meet Brian Saleh durnig the IPT events, and I really love this guy. Also, I enjoy Raj Hundal. I love his accent, and he seems like such a nice person every time I have seen him on the tournament trail, so polite and amiable.

JAM

 

[Peer]

JAM wrote:
> Do you like this atmosphere of the Mosconi Cup?

In fact, I do.

> Are the Europeans behaving in a manner that you
> believe is conducive to pool?

Yes, I do -- as this is no different to enthusiastic spectators at, f.ex, a tennis match, or most any sport for that matter.

Just because there's so little interest & support for billiards in the US doesn't mean it has to be that way in Europe.

It's kind of sad if people here in the US think cheering is synonymous to heckling. No wonder why this sport isn't more popular.

> England may be considered part of the European Union,
> which is the only reason the Brits are included on
> Team Europe at the Mosconi Cup. [...]
> The audience, consisting of Europeans and Brits

I think you need some education -- England (the country that hosts those pesky Brits) is part of Europe. Okay?! But perhaps you also think that my home country, Norway, that refuses to become a member of the European Union, and therefore somehow have to move away from Europe... well then, you might need something more than education...

-- peer

 

[JAM]

...I think you need some education -- England (the country that hosts those pesky Brits) is part of Europe. Okay?! But perhaps you also think that my home country, Norway, that refuses to become a member of the European Union, and therefore somehow have to move away from Europe... well then, you might need something more than education...

I think I probably know a lot more about the European Union than you do. I type about world affairs ad nauseum on a daily basis.

FWIW, the United Kingdom has the fifth-largest economy in the world, is the second-largest economy in the European Union, and is a major international trading power. A highly developed, diversified, market-based economy with extensive social welfare services provides most residents with a high standard of living. Unemployment and inflation levels are amongst the lowest within the European Union.

The United Kingdom is also the European Union's only significant energy exporter, BUT it is also one of the world's largest energy consumers. England needs the EU as much as the EU needs England, IMHO!

JAM

 

[Peer]

I think I probably know a lot more about the European Union than you do.
JAM

Obviously not. Hence your rant about nothing related to the issue at hand:

You said England wasn't part of Europe, and therefore I say that you need some education.

-- peer

 

[JAM]

Obviously not. Hence your rant about nothing related to the issue at hand:

You said England wasn't part of Europe, and therefore I say that you need some education.

-- peer

Oh, brother, you need to take that damn 8-ball out of your eye and read a little more of this thread.

I am 53 years old, and my opinion about England and Europe may differ from yours, me being an American.

Literally speaking, England is not a part of the European continent.

Yet, England is a member of the European Union, for political reasons.

JAM

 

[Peer]

I am 53 years old, and my opinion about England and Europe may differ from yours, me being an American.

It has nothing to do with yours or anyones opinion -- England is part of Europe. Period.

You certainly need some education -- as a starter, here's Europe:

 

[sneak_peter]

I think I probably know a lot more about the European Union than you do. I type about world affairs ad nauseum on a daily basis.

FWIW, the United Kingdom has the fifth-largest economy in the world, is the second-largest economy in the European Union, and is a major international trading power. A highly developed, diversified, market-based economy with extensive social welfare services provides most residents with a high standard of living. Unemployment and inflation levels are amongst the lowest within the European Union.

The United Kingdom is also the European Union's only significant energy exporter, BUT it is also one of the world's largest energy consumers. England needs the EU as much as the EU needs England, IMHO!

JAM

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3846.htm

look at economy

did you type it?
stop teaching please...

 

[JAM]

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3846.htm

did you type it?
stop teaching please...

Uh, yes, I did type it, and if you read the link, it ain't a verbatim quote. I edited the words to make my point. I have transcribed a million-plus words about global affairs by many subject-matter experts, past and present.

I so tire of this back-and-forth crap. I don't desire to argue with anyone, but I won't stand down when I am targeted by Keyboard Cowboys.

I will continue, though, to make my opinion known about Earl Strickland as an American champion. If this is offensive to you, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

JAM

 

[catscradle]

... England is part of Europe...

Well I don't think anybody can argue with that... despite the fact that the English would have frequently liked to deny it in the past. In some respects, I think of England as being the MOST European of European nations. I think of them as the melting pot of Europe. Most of the "melting" was done pre 13th century or so (just guessing at the century), but there sure were a lot of invasions of the Isles.
Thanks for the map, I thought England was just over the horizon from Cape Cod. Seriously, is that other big island Iceland? I didn't think it was that close to Europe proper.

 

[ShootingArts]

not really

It has nothing to do with yours or anyones opinion -- England is part of Europe. Period.

You certainly need some education -- as a starter, here's Europe:

England is not part of Europe. Europe is a continent. Please read the definitions of continent below particularly numbers three, four and five, cut and pasted straight from a dictionary. As it happens, I am the same age as JAM and for most of my life my friends in England considered it a major insult to be called Europeans. In fact, technically they are not although with the current economic and political ties they might as well be. England along with many other nations is giving up it's sovereign rights and privileges and will soon be little if anything more than the same as the states in the United States subservient to a central government. The politics of the world change rapidly, the land masses move much slower!

Hu

(definition of continent)
1. one of the main landmasses of the globe, usually reckoned as seven in number (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica).
2. a comparable landmass on another planet.
3. the mainland, as distinguished from islands or peninsulas.
4. the Continent, the mainland of Europe, as distinguished from the British Isles.
5. a continuous tract or extent, as of land.

 

[catscradle]

England is not part of Europe. Europe is a continent. Please read the definitions of continent below particularly numbers three, four and five, cut and pasted straight from a dictionary. As it happens, I am the same age as JAM and for most of my life my friends in England considered it a major insult to be called Europeans. In fact, technically they are not although with the current economic and political ties they might as well be. England along with many other nations is giving up it's sovereign rights and privileges and will soon be little if anything more than the same as the states in the United States subservient to a central government. The politics of the world change rapidly, the land masses move much slower!

Hu

(definition of continent)
1. one of the main landmasses of the globe, usually reckoned as seven in number (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica).
2. a comparable landmass on another planet.
3. the mainland, as distinguished from islands or peninsulas.
4. the Continent, the mainland of Europe, as distinguished from the British Isles.
5. a continuous tract or extent, as of land.

It may not be part of continental Europe, but to say it isn't part of Europe is like saying Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket aren't part of Massachusetts or the keys aren't part of Florida. It is politically and culturally part of Europe and I believe is part of the European plate. Before the last ice age caused some sinking of land, forming the english channel when the ice cap melted, it was a penisula of Europe much as Spain is.
We are getting a bit OT though, aren't we?

 

[Peer]

England is not part of Europe. Europe is a continent.

This is Europe, no matter how you wanna spin it:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Location-Europe-UNsubregions.png


-- peer

 

[smokeandapancak]

It may not be part of continental Europe, but to say it isn't part of Europe is like saying Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket aren't part of Massachusetts or the keys aren't part of Florida. It is politically and culturally part of Europe and I believe is part of the European plate. Before the last ice age caused some sinking of land, forming the english channel when the ice cap melted, it was a penisula of Europe much as Spain is.
We are getting a bit OT though, aren't we?

Wee bit off topic....for sure...

But I just gotta ask it..
Europe doesnt fit the definition of continent does it ? .... How do you tell where Asia begins and Europe ends.....
Wasnt there a push years ago to call it Eurasia n the geography circles ???

 

[JAM]

This is Europe, no matter how you wanna spin it...

And this is Earl Strickland, an American champion, who keeps getting invited to high-profile events because he is one of the best pool players in the world today, no matter how much YOU wanna spin it!

JAM