Earl vs. Shane

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paksat said:
I was planning on having a few youths watch that match, my god that would have been an incredible mistake.
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Yes, good thing. Next time take him the kiddies to an NFL or NBA game so they can see REAL role models. Bring the criminal background checks so you can compare who did what to who and when they did it. Can't tell the players these days without a "scorecard".............
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Yes, good thing. Next time take him the kiddies to an NFL or NBA game so they can see REAL role models. Bring the criminal background checks so you can compare who did what to who and when they did it. Can't tell the players these days without a "scorecard".............
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You know I am really surprised they never kicked out John McEnroe or John Daley.
I had to have misspelled their names. I don't golf or tennis.
 
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Jcat said:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people say that Earl's bad behavior is good for pool. Yes, the hype for this match got a fair amount of people excited about it, but tell me how many corporations called after the match and said "wow, let me give you 5 millions dollars to sponsor a men's professional tour"? Whats that you say? None?
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How many have called after any pool match that Earl was nowhere near? What's that you say? None? Heh.

Not many people at all have said that Earl's behavior is good for pool. I think they are mostly saying that player behavior is much worse in other sports that DO have corporate sponsorship and someone implying that Earl is the cause of all the problems in pool is ridiculous.

What you're saying makes a lot of sense if someone is willing to completely ignore reality.
 
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Jcat said:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people say that Earl's bad behavior is good for pool. Yes, the hype for this match got a fair amount of people excited about it,
but tell me how many corporations called after the match and said "wow, let me give you 5 millions dollars to sponsor a men's professional tour"? Whats that you say? None?
Well, i find that hard to believe since Earl is so good for pool. And I hate to just pick on Earl, there are many many more that fall into the same category, its just that Earl
is certainly among the best and worst in mens pool. He could do a lot to promote mens pool but he chooses to think only of himself and how only he gets bad breaks and how a fly crapping on a leaf in the middle of a forest caused him to miss that shot. You guys can make all the excuses you want - the economy, the moon is out of phase, yada, yada, yada, but until the behavior is acceptable for all and there is a strong mens organization willing to take control and penalize unacceptable behavior across the board, mens pool will remain in the gutter. Take a kid to see that match? Why sure, I can see myself saying "OK, this is exactly how I want you to act when you grow up". Open your eyes people.
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I received calls the very next day with offers to get involved in the next match by corporate sponsors. Lets understand one thing. This is the biggest match in pool in years. There were 2,000 viewers Sunday. There will be more for the next match. We are in the process of planning the next match to be announced soon. This is not about bad behavior or hustling or anything but our future. Earl is the best living pool player and is willing to continue to preform for us. Let's give a little help to our professional players, let's support our pros, let's play some pool.
 
gulyassy said:
You know I am really surprised they never kicked out John McEnroe or John Daley.
I had to have misspelled their names.
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I don't recall Mcenroe or Daley ever calling out people in the audience who have paid money to watch them play and blame them for making a bad shot.

If anyone wants to make an analogy between Earl's behavior during the TAR match with Shane and other professioal athlete's behavior in an attempt to defend Earl, you are functioning at about a third grade level.

It is like you got in trouble in third drade for spitballs and then point to Jimmy and said "he is doing it too"". Does that justify anything.

I am a huge Earl fan. I started the match rooting for Earl. By the end of the first day I wanted nothing more than for Shane to come back and put a beating on him.

Saying "that is just Earl being Earl" is weak. Placing blame on the fans is even weaker. When someone of Earl's caliber and legend plays a streamed or televised match, like it or not, he is representing the sport of pool to an extent and also representing you Mike G. who both sponser and stake him. For you to brush off his behavior as "it's just Earl being Earl" is pathetic! Take some responsibility and get some stones and control your player.

Hopefully the next match Earl plays he can shoot as well as he did against Shane minus the ridiculous, childish and embarassing behavior.
Until he can do that and you stop enabling and making excuses for him my days of rooting for Earl are behind me.

I hope Archer gets in his head and drives him crazier than he already is.

One more bit of advice. Learn to type using paragraghs. Your content is difficult enough to read as it is.
 
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gulyassy said:
I have had a grueling 3 weeks on the road doing the Pro tournaments at The Masters, Super Billiard Expo and the Earl Shane match. I am just getting back to normal here at my shop. First off I would like to congratulate both Earl and Shane for putting on the best pool match I have ever witnessed in my 45 years being in the sport of pool. Both these players played on the toughest table I ever tried to make a ball on. It was so amazing to see these warriors preform on live viewing, under the most adverse conditions I have ever seen. I was positioned on the left of Justin's set up and had a birds eye view of the entire set. I could not believe the beginning of the match. There were people positioned all over the room doing things I could not believe. They had the snack bags and drinks and used them strategically to disrupt the players. I don't know how Shane did not get sharked more than he did. I saw people waiting for Earl's final stroke to crunch the chips. They were warned that anymore of this and they would be evicted. I saw one person raise his drink at the last moment and when Earl got up and said something he lowered his can and I could not believe but raised it again as Earl got down, back up and down with Earl's motions. It was not only intentional but as rude as I have ever witnessed anywhere but in a pool room where the whole room was trying to shark the road man trying to beat the home town hero. I have been in plenty of these situations in my 20 years on the road gambling in pool rooms and faded it. Now I witnessed people talking and laughing while Earl was shooting. I know we are a long way from respect for pool players from people betting against the other guy. There were a couple of instances where people were doing things that disturbed Earl that were unintentional but both Earl and Shane came to me complaining about situations that I did my best to fix. My partner Mike, the owner of the pool room did his best to control the people also. He got on his own customers for both players, for the sharking and did not show any favoritism. He was as stressed out as I have ever witnessed a person for a gambling situation. Everybody knows how Earl is when he plays, he voices his opinion about anything and everything. Did Shane condemn Earl in their first match when he blistered Earl 100 to 65 or whatever it was, no they shook hands just like in the 2nd match. And I was sponsoring Earl in the first match also and Earl was exactly the same. You know how he is and if you cannot handle it don't play or watch. He is the best player we have in pool and the biggest resume and the most watched, what do you think and who is next?
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DAM -MIKE YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH!!!!!:thumbup:
 
Snake Plisken said:
I don't recall Mcenroe or Daley ever calling out people in the audience who have paid money to watch them play and blame them for making a bad shot.

If anyone wants to make an analogy between Earl's behavior during the TAR match with Shane and other professioal athlete's behavior in an attempt to defend Earl, you are functioning at about a third grade level.
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From what I've read here the audience at the Earl/Shane match resembled the audience at a tennis match about as much as an 8-ball resembles a tennis ball.
 
Snake Plisken said:
I don't recall Mcenroe or Daley ever calling out people in the audience who have paid money to watch them play and blame them for making a bad shot.

If anyone wants to make an analogy between Earl's behavior during the TAR match with Shane and other professioal athlete's behavior in an attempt to defend Earl, you are functioning at about a third grade level.

Funny....I don't seem to remember anyone in the stands taunting the players either. In tennis you'd get ejected just for talking during play.

Same on the golf course....no hecklers-taunters allowed.

I do remember Ron Artest going up INTO the stands and beating the shit out of a fan (heckler) or two.

he's still playing.

And for the World Champion Lakers, at that.
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Snake Plisken said:
I don't recall Mcenroe or Daley ever calling out people in the audience who have paid money to watch them play and blame them for making a bad shot.

If anyone wants to make an analogy between Earl's behavior during the TAR match with Shane and other professioal athlete's behavior in an attempt to defend Earl, you are functioning at about a third grade level.

It is like you got in trouble in third drade for spitballs and then point to Jimmy and said "he is doing it too"". Does that justify anything.

I am a huge Earl fan. I started the match rooting for Earl. By the end of the first day I wanted nothing more than for Shane to come back and put a beating on him.

Saying "that is just Earl being Earl" is weak. Placing blame on the fans is even weaker. When someone of Earl's caliber and legend plays a streamed or televised match, like it or not, he is representing the sport of pool to an extent and also representing you Mike G. who both sponser and stake him. For you to brush off his behavior as "it's just Earl being Earl" is pathetic! Take some responsibility and get some stones and control your player.

Hopefully the next match Earl plays he can shoot as well as he did against Shane minus the ridiculous, childish and embarassing behavior.
Until he can do that and you stop enabling and making excuses for him my days of rooting for Earl are behind me.

I hope Archer gets in his head and drives him crazier than he already is.

One more bit of advice. Learn to type using paragraghs. Your content is difficult enough to read as it is.
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you must be a English teacher as for me I am just a pool player.
 
Did anyone see how much Shane was sharking Earl? Shane was talking while Earl was shooting and moving around in his seat when Earl was shooting. I can't believe how rude he was being.

Oh right. Shane didn't do any of that. About the only sharking Shane did was check the rack.

I don't care what the audience was doing. They had nothing to do with Shane. Of course that's just IMHO, but I'm no one of consequence. Just a viewer who was really disappointed in someone with as much talent as Earl has.
 
If you don't want your kids seeing it, why do you let them attend public schools? Just saying.
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
Very considerate that you leave the pertinent information about the ruly fans who were intentionally sharking Earl on Friday night. But, heck, who needs facts when you are trying to win your point with half truths. Well done. You are half way home. Now tell the complete story regardless if it hurts your argument, just the facts please.
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The reason i did not mention the sharking by the audience is because I could not see or hear it on the stream. I only saw Earl and heard Earl and the fracass at the end. I enjoy some sharking I just thought Earl went too far from what I could see on the stream and the commentators comments.

I did not know anything about the audience until Mike stated it here. Jay has his opinion,Mike has his and so does everybody else as they perceive it. It does not make someone wrong or malicious because it may differ from mine or they didn't see it all because they weren't there.

Some people on here like to argue to the point of having to go back to the original post to see what the subject was. I hope being on AZ doesn't make me one of them and that is the facts. If my opinion was half truths its because I only saw half. Your opinion of my motives was no truth and thats another fact.
 
Many experts were incorrect Yes the match did actually take place and there was an outcome. i just think its silly to speculate about why it shouldnt have been that way n how terribly unfortunate it was for poor old shane n how good old shane will crush him next time when everything is put right in the universe again hahaha sorry couldnt help but chuckle a bit take a cue from shane man up and just say gee i was wrong it shouldnt hurt too much :)
 
People still crying and rambling on about it, it happens, maybe the next match Earl will have headphones on and a muzzle, I will be rooting for him again. Go Earl! :thumbup:
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Yes, good thing. Next time take him the kiddies to an NFL or NBA game so they can see REAL role models. Bring the criminal background checks so you can compare who did what to who and when they did it. Can't tell the players these days without a "scorecard".............
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You're such a f'n moron kid, i've had gf's that couldn't even stalk me worse then you.
 
Snake Plisken said:
If anyone wants to make an analogy between Earl's behavior during the TAR match with Shane and other professioal athlete's behavior in an attempt to defend Earl, you are functioning at about a third grade level.

It is like you got in trouble in third drade for spitballs and then point to Jimmy and said "he is doing it too"". Does that justify anything.
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Read this chicagoRJ, maybe it'll click in about 20 years.
 
Somebody should turn Earl on to Beats by Dr. Dre! :thumbup:

Oh, man, I don't know if I can live without these gold ones. I have the dull black model. These gold ones are really cool. :cool:
 

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