Ed Wheat...lets get it on...

Mr. Wheat, I have never commented in any of your threads or threads regarding you one way or the other, I don't know you and I have never shot with one of your cues.

I have always felt a little bad for you that so many here seem to relish the opportunity to bash you but when I read your response to this thread I felt compelled to tell you as an 'outsider' to the whole controversy that seems to surround Eddie Wheat your response is weak.

If you're the cue maker you claim to be you would welcome the opportunity to send around a test cue to some of the more well known people on the board and get some good feedback.

You're telling us that your cues are so specialized and tailored to the person buying it that another good player couldn't possibly judge it fairly?
Are you kidding?

What information, measurements, etc. do you require so I can get a cue that is only fitted to me and me only?

Why are you the only cue maker I've ever heard of that makes these specially fitted cues?

I guess the likes of Joss West, Schick, Boar, Scruggs, Southwest, etc. never caught on to your method.

I have nothing against you personally, you actually seem like a fun guy but I am deeply disappointed that you have chosen to blow off this opportunity to build your business, a test cue could do more to build your business than a 1000 posts blowing your own horn.

Just an outsiders opinion, take it for what its worth.
 
bigshooter said:
Mr. Wheat, I have never commented in any of your threads or threads regarding you one way or the other, I don't know you and I have never shot with one of your cues.

I have always felt a little bad for you that so many here seem to relish the opportunity to bash you but when I read your response to this thread I felt compelled to tell you as an 'outsider' to the whole controversy that seems to surround Eddie Wheat your response is weak.

If you're the cue maker you claim to be you would welcome the opportunity to send around a test cue to some of the more well known people on the board and get some good feedback.

You're telling us that your cues are so specialized and tailored to the person buying it that another good player couldn't possibly judge it fairly?
Are you kidding?

What information, measurements, etc. do you require so I can get a cue that is only fitted to me and me only?

Why are you the only cue maker I've ever heard of that makes these specially fitted cues?

I guess the likes of Joss West, Schick, Boar, Scruggs, Southwest, etc. never caught on to your method.

I have nothing against you personally, you actually seem like a fun guy but I am deeply disappointed that you have chosen to blow off this opportunity to build your business, a test cue could do more to build your business than a 1000 posts blowing your own horn.

Just an outsiders opinion, take it for what its worth.
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No sir... not at all !

What I AM telling you is that it won't be judged accurately !!!

And also I am NOT in the position to build "demo cues" for everyone to try out !

It's alot of work to constantly reset your machine and calibrate it everytime you do a custom taper so alot of cuemakers won't even attempt it becasue once they get their taper down they do NOT want to change the settings... these cuemakers are also looking at asthetic consistance with EVERY cue !

Laugh if you want to and bash me all you want, just like they did with that guy who walked onto the golf course with the "big bertha" golf club..... now it's a standard in the industry !

I'm here to shake things up a bit in the cuemaking world and I pride myself on being innovative and incorporating valid improvements to my cuemaking methods and even though it may not happen very soon you can be damn sure that once this catches on it WILL be become a staple in the term CUSTOM CUES !

I stand by my convictions and and deliver the results ! and NO ONE will ever discourage or detour me otherwise !

I build "tools" for players NOT "art" for collectors !

I have been approached with this offer privately "PM's" several times in the past 6 months with the same proposition....

My cues all priced very affordable for ANYONE to take a chance on and I simply do NOT have the luxury of building "demo cues" when I have pending orders from paying customers... I do NOT think that's fair !


Very Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
 
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WheatCues said:
No sir... not at all !

What I AM telling you is that it won't be judged accurately !!!

And also I am NOT in the position to build "demo cues" for everyone to try out !

I have been approached with this offer privately "PM's" several times in the past 6 months with the same proposition....

My cues all priced very affordable for ANYONE to take a chance on and I simply do NOT have the luxury of building "demo cues" when I have pending orders from paying customers... I do NOT think that's fair !


Very Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
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Fair enough, you know more about your business than I do for sure.
 
skins said:
i am one who believes there is such a thing as a "standard" great hitting cue regardless of the argument that "hit is subjective".....i personally don't believe that there are that many different ways a specific cue will feel to the majority of individuals and believe that the discussion would only make a subjective argument among players who really KNOW what a good hitting cue is supposed to "feel" like and perform. i'm not a huge fan of the "around the horn" style of testing, but as long as it's conducted by those who know what they're talking about then testing a standard 58" cue using your standard method of construction, shaft taper, joint, ferrules, tip etc..... should not have a major affect to the "standard" play ability of the cues you make "custom tailored" or not and will provide a good "bench" for how any cue you build will most likely perform imo.........

skins ------------ likes the TV show Around The Horn.......:)
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And I agree with you every sport has a standardization with there equipment and then there's customized equipment just like golf clubs, bowling balls, etc....

That's were I come in.....

Yes I could build a standard cue with a standard hit with a standard balance point, etc... but then I would be just like every other custom cuemaker and this market is saturated with typical 58" lengths and avg. balance point cuemaking style !

But each and every player is not standard height, standard arm spand and standard stroke range... so how can you expect a 58" cue with "standards" to fit everyone perfectly ? YOU CAN'T ! so once again... that's where I come in !


Very Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
 
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Eddie, you've got me captivated by sticking to your guns on this custom fitted issue, when I am off medical leave and have some cash flow I want to order a cue.
 
bigshooter said:
Eddie, you've got me captivated by sticking to your guns on this custom fitted issue, when I am off medical leave and have some cash flow I want to order a cue.
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Thanks for your interest !!!

Just give me a call whenever you are ready....



Take care, Eddie Wheat 321-631-1827
 
I Likes Me A Maple White Shirt

bigshooter said:
Eddie, you've got me captivated by sticking to your guns on this custom fitted issue, when I am off medical leave and have some cash flow I want to order a cue.
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I am guessing that if you couldn't get to Eddie's Custom Cue Shop, that you could send him your very best suit and he could make your custom cue based on that.

He could measure your armspand by measuring your suit coat sleeves and the amount of cuff that you show. He could probably double-check the length of your cue by measuring your inseam (be sure to send a pair of your dress shoes along as a safeguard). Do you want cuffs on your pants or just a slight break in the crease ?

Sending your favorite tie, might insure the intricacy of any inlays.

Doug
(whatever you do, don't send your condoms, you might get........................................ moved to the bottom of the list)


*Edited to add: While you are ON medical leave, send him one of your gowns that opens down the back and see what he can come up with.... imo :)

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WheatCues said:
And also I am NOT in the position to build "demo cues" for everyone to try out !

It's alot of work to constantly reset your machine and calibrate it everytime you do a custom taper so alot of cuemakers won't even attempt it becasue once they get their taper down they do NOT want to change the settings... these cuemakers are also looking at asthetic consistance with EVERY cue !
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When I had Ed Young in Chicago make a shaft for me, he had me try out four or five different tapers of shaft. I gave him the guidelines and he went at it. Beautiful shaft.

After a certain time, I decided I wanted a different taper on the shaft. He took the original shaft and retapered it, at my request. I also paid him for the retapering.

Some more months go by, and I still couldn't get used to the squirt characteristics of this shaft. In the meantime, I had Schmelke make me a custom cue with an 11 mm shaft and a long taper. I loved it. So I asked Ed Young to retaper the shaft he had made me, and to do it along the lines of the one Schmelke did for me. Not a problem. He also charged for the retapering, as expected. In the end, I got what I wanted from Ed, and love it. After all, he's a custom cue maker.

Fast forward to about two months ago. I had Schmelke make me another cue. This one also with the 11 mm tip, 15 inch pro-taper, and 1/2 inch ferrule. It's excellent.

For some reason, Schmelke was able to produce the shaft I wanted, but for an upcharge. That's reasonable enough. Pray tell, how much did they charge me extra for that radically different shaft? All of $20 extra... No sweat for those guys.

I'm sure it would also be "no sweat" for you too, Mr. Wheat.

Are you so sure other custom cuemakers won't give a customer the style cue and shaft he wants? Perhaps some won't, but I bet most would. Have you checked to see about this?

BTW, this is in no way a bashing post.

I'd really like to know what you think.

Cheers!

Flex
 
"I stand by my convictions and and deliver the results !"

I call Bull$hit!In the Wanted/For Sale section a class act by the name of Charlie Edwards has waited 7 months for 2 shafts.His last post stated he would accept the product or a refund but doubted he would see either.You DON'T deliver!You post hypocritical threads regarding turn around time to exploit the misery of another cue maker all the while knowing you were behind on complying with your own terms of service.Perhaps you could calibrate your machinery to come up with a custom EXCUSE that you have'nt used in the past.
Brian
 
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Posted by Mr. Charlie Edwards in the Wanted/For Sale section:

(1) It takes 7 months to build 2 shafts? Get real.

(2) Blackjack's thread was more than 2 months ago.

(3) You believe it was unnecessary to bring this to this forum? LOL.

(4) I don't want any PM, email, or phone conversations with you. I want NO correspondence from you, except to receive my cue or refund.

(5) In another post you just made you stated that your customers know you. You have no idea just how true that is, at least in my case.

(6) I really don't believe I'll get my cue or refund. And I'm OK with that. I don't have any desire to have your cue, so that part of this doesn't matter to me. And it would be unbelievable to expect a refund. You see, Eddie, I live in the real world. And I can well afford the loss. No big deal.

(7) So, Eddie, do whatever you want. Do it your way. But expect me to do the same.

(8) This mess you created is in NO way my fault. This is all on you. It's just that you don't seem to have what it takes to admit that.
 
It's alot of work to constantly reset your machine and calibrate it everytime you do a custom taper so alot of cuemakers won't even attempt it becasue once they get their taper down they do NOT want to change the settings...
It's not if you have cnc taper machine.
If you have a cnc machine and do not have multiple taper programs already after owning one for years, you need a consultant.
 
WheatCues said:
And I agree with you every sport has a standardization with there equipment and then there's customized equipment just like golf clubs, bowling balls, etc....

That's were I come in.....

Yes I could build a standard cue with a standard hit with a standard balance point, etc... but then I would be just like every other custom cuemaker and this market is saturated with typical 58" lengths and avg. balance point cuemaking style !

But each and every player is not standard height, standard arm spand and standard stroke range... so how can you expect a 58" cue with "standards" to fit everyone perfectly ? YOU CAN'T ! so once again... that's where I come in !


Very Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
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Eddie, with all respect i've been in the cue business for over 20 years and know that "every other custom cuemaker" has a "normal" spec for their cues that not only categorizes but personifies and defines as well, their playability. from methods of construction to way the parts are tapered, finished, to many others etc......are you saying you don't?

most makers have a "constant" that defines their cues and good ones can work a customers "needs" into that constant making their cue not only one as asked but one that also has all the characteristics in it that makes it that makers. imo a great cue maker is one that can take the demands from a customer and produce a cue that plays to their (the makers) definition.
 
This weekend I had a chance to see one of Mr. Wheat's cues, it was very interesting looking to say the least. The person it was made for is short, therefore the cue was a lot shorter than standard and it was very thin because the person it was made for "had very small hands".

To say it was custom is an understatement, the entire cue was miniaturized to a certain degree due to the stature of the player. Even the joint size was very small to be in proportion to the rest of the cue. I didn't get a chance to hit with it but the finish was a bit wavy, also realized that Mr. Wheat cores his cues which I didn't know about.
 
Fart sniffer said:
This weekend I had a chance to see one of Mr. Wheat's cues, it was very interesting looking to say the least. The person it was made for is short, therefore the cue was a lot shorter than standard and it was very thin because the person it was made for "had very small hands".

To say it was custom is an understatement, the entire cue was miniaturized to a certain degree due to the stature of the player. Even the joint size was very small to be in proportion to the rest of the cue. I didn't get a chance to hit with it but the finish was a bit wavy, also realized that Mr. Wheat cores his cues which I didn't know about.
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Was the weight of the cue in the normal range?
 
Flex said:
Was the weight of the cue in the normal range?
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No, it probably weighed in the 11-12 ounce range if my arm scale is right but is hasn't been calibrated lately :grin-square:
 
I had Eddie build 2 Merry Widows one was a shooting Stick and one a break jump. A matching set out of a 5 ft piece of Jarrah cut in 2. I wanted a zero taper in the wrap area (yes like a tube for 6 inches either side of the hand). What that did for me is allow for my Jump break
handle (which at the front is the same diameter as the back) to be screwed in the back of my shooting stick when I have a long shot. When I walk into a pool room with 2 cues I have the functionallity of 4. Shooting Stick, Shooting stick extended, break stick, and jump stick. Plus it never feels different wether I choke up or hold way back (muscle memory thingy) its always constant.

And speaking of constants... yes Skins alot of "custom cuemakers" do have constants... some items of a cue they will or won't change. Kinda like a with cars theres Pintos, Mustangs, Chargers, Lamborgini's each has aspects that make them what they are.

There are also are true custom car builders.
No I don't want a CUE with hydralics and speakers the size of Brooklyn.
I wanted a cue designed "soley" for functionality and playability

To me the right test to give is... give different cuemakers the same specs
for a cue. Have each one build it then check tolerances, playability, look ect. that way your better able to compare apples to apples.
 
Rak9up said:
And speaking of constants... yes Skins alot of "custom cuemakers" do have constants... some items of a cue they will or won't change. Kinda like a with cars theres Pintos, Mustangs, Chargers, Lamborgini's each has aspects that make them what they are.

There are also are true custom car builders.
No I don't want a CUE with hydralics and speakers the size of Brooklyn.
I wanted a cue designed "soley" for functionality and playability

To me the right test to give is... give different cuemakers the same specs
for a cue. Have each one build it then check tolerances, playability, look ect. that way your better able to compare apples to apples.
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well imo the result of a good cue maker will be one where their cue will have the same "core" playability as any other cue they make regardless of the "specs" asked for barring any outrageous ones such as asking for an outrageously long cue like 70 inches, a 15 mm shaft, or something to that affect........even then i think it might be possible.....

skins ------------ thinks a good name for a 70" cue would be "BEHEMOTH" :smile:......also worked on customizing cars for 20 years
 
Custom cuemakers have normal parameters they want to keep and sometime deviate from if needed.
IF a maker wants to get famous for the hit of his cues, his construction and specs have to be consistent.
 
Fart sniffer said:
No, it probably weighed in the 11-12 ounce range if my arm scale is right but is hasn't been calibrated lately :grin-square:
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That's way too light for the cue to be able to perform force follows and some other shots well, as least from my experience.

Good luck to the owner. Of course if they never need to really put some oomph into a shot, it may work out for them.

As for me, I like the added oomph a heavier than 12 ounce cue provides.

Flex
 
Flex said:
That's way too light for the cue to be able to perform force follows and some other shots well, as least from my experience.

Good luck to the owner. Of course if they never need to really put some oomph into a shot, it may work out for them.

As for me, I like the added oomph a heavier than 12 ounce cue provides.

Flex
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The person who owned the cue wasn't even playing with it, she was using another cue with "normal" specifications. And I agree, I don't have any spare oomph to give a 12 ounce cue so I need a little help in the oomph department.
 
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