You won't be struck with lightning if you don't assume Efren is supernatural. He makes mistakes too.
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Efren Reyes' Bank Off The Point
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It's even possible that his mind is better than yours. Maybe he'd laugh at your suggestion that he tried that shot.
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Well, on balance I believe he intended the shot. If you try it like I have...you might agree that he didn't just get lucky.
On my side...I have Accustats commentators commenting that he did. I have Accustats commentators commenting that this was a repeat of an earlier shot. I have knowledge of how to manipulate the "point" (corner & side pockets) to alter CB path.
On your side...Patrick Johnson says it isn't so.
You might also note that Efren didn't smile and/or scratch his head as he is inclined to do when he makes a mistake or gets an incredibly good roll.
Besides, we ain't talkin' 'bout no pool glove wearin', walmart cue pumpin', knuckle bridgin', "crown" rackin' barbox banger here...we're talking about Efren "Plays Every Game A Ball Above The World" Reyes.
On my side...I have Accustats commentators commenting that he did. I have Accustats commentators commenting that this was a repeat of an earlier shot. I have knowledge of how to manipulate the "point" (corner & side pockets) to alter CB path.
On your side...Patrick Johnson says it isn't so.
You might also note that Efren didn't smile and/or scratch his head as he is inclined to do when he makes a mistake or gets an incredibly good roll.
Besides, we ain't talkin' 'bout no pool glove wearin', walmart cue pumpin', knuckle bridgin', "crown" rackin' barbox banger here...we're talking about Efren "Plays Every Game A Ball Above The World" Reyes.
OK. On balance I believe he didn't.
Does "tried it like you" mean banking the ball into the point (as the second rail of a two-rail bank) like Efren did?
Again, if anybody, including Efren, dares try that shot when it comes up in a match with me, I'll be very grateful.
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Mosconiac-
That high praise may be overstated-but not much. I admit to being an over the top fan of Efren.
My favorite part of that video is when Billy Palmer comes to the table with that wtf head shake.
Efren might have been playing all cb-but I prefer to think he was playing both sides of the shot. Just another Efren moment in the pit. Not many would come with it or see it.
Thanks for putting it up.
That is hard to believe.
PJ is kind of a big deal here on azb.
Just sayin.
Edited to add I believe the point was considered and it was a two way shot.
WWED?
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It's fun to believe otherwise, but I doubt that Efren was aiming for the point. He was just trying to hit the rail close to the point, put the OB near his pocket and get the cue ball safe. Aiming for the point is fraught with peril and Efren knows it better than most.
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Go back and listen to Danny D's commentary. He states "it is the second time in 2 games that Efren has played to ball off of the point" and it amazed Billy Palmer that he would do it again, so says Danny.
PJ, you can think whatever you want to but sometimes the obvious just doesn't click with you because of your argumentative nature. I think even your mother liked your brother best!
It's fun to believe otherwise, but I doubt that Efren was aiming for the point. He was just trying to hit the rail close to the point, put the OB near his pocket and get the cue ball safe. Aiming for the point is fraught with peril and Efren knows it better than most.
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Go back and listen to Danny D's commentary. He states "it is the second time in 2 games that Efren has played to ball off of the point" and it amazed Billy Palmer that he would do it again, so says Danny.
PJ, you can think whatever you want to but sometimes the obvious just doesn't click with you because of your argumentative nature. I think even your mother liked your brother best!
It happened twice and Diliberto thought he did it on purpose. That's not a particularly high standard of proof to me.
I think you misspelled some words there, so I fixed it.
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Pj
Your asshole is showing again!
Your asshole is showing again!
Right on one...
....wrong on the other. On the Eddie Taylor shot I intended to hit the full rail. You were right there. On the Bugs shot, as I explain in the clip, I fully intend to hit rounded end of the cushion -- just as Efren intended to do in his shot. That is the only way the shot can go. Although, anyone saying I or Efren intended to hit the point is misleading. Efren and I aimed at an area on the cushion where the tightening of the cloth when it is being put on, bends the end of the cushion slightly. I call it the "round of the rail." That accounts for those strange reactions with the object ball on some shots. ie., the ones we are referring to.
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For whatever it's worth, I played with Efren for a year straight. That shot and ones like it (off the cushion end), have been in his trick bag for a long time.
....wrong on the other. On the Eddie Taylor shot I intended to hit the full rail. You were right there. On the Bugs shot, as I explain in the clip, I fully intend to hit rounded end of the cushion -- just as Efren intended to do in his shot. That is the only way the shot can go. Although, anyone saying I or Efren intended to hit the point is misleading. Efren and I aimed at an area on the cushion where the tightening of the cloth when it is being put on, bends the end of the cushion slightly. I call it the "round of the rail." That accounts for those strange reactions with the object ball on some shots. ie., the ones we are referring to.
Beard
For whatever it's worth, I played with Efren for a year straight. That shot and ones like it (off the cushion end), have been in his trick bag for a long time.
Thank you
You iz so right. It aint a "point,"or a dot. It's a slightly rounded area. I show at least 4 or 5 of those shots in my DVDs.
Beard
You iz so right. It aint a "point,"or a dot. It's a slightly rounded area. I show at least 4 or 5 of those shots in my DVDs.
Beard
That is for sure.
I saw it both times Efren played it. Another player also played it that same Derby week -- I forget who. I believe all on the TV table. It could be that the cloth was wrapped around the points extra tight on that particular table that particular year. Anyway, it was kind of the shot of the year that year it seemed. I know I saw it three times at that Derby and can't remember seeing it any other time (at least where it went close enough that it looked like someone was really shooting it).
I can believe this, and looking more closely at the clip of Efren I can see that he didn't really hit the point but the rounded end of the rail as you say. That's a more forgiving target and one I could see aiming for (maybe someday when I get better).
Maybe this is just a semantic difference.
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The funny thing about this shot is its something that we have all done at some point but didn't mean to. You cut a ball down the rail, usually hit too hard, and end up hitting the rail first then spitting it back out.
Thats really the same thing Efren did here.
I saw this on youtube a while back and had to try it. At first glance, I didn't notice he hit the short rail before the point, but after trying it I realized that was how it worked. On a super tight table, the shot can be played with little fear of pocketing the ball for them.
Now did Efren mean to do this exactly as it worked out? Who knows... he may of just tried to two rail bank it to his side and protect the cueball. Anywhere on his side is better that where it was. And he moved the cueball up towards the stack so it was protected. If it falls, sits in the pocket or just anywhere on his side of the table, its a great shot.
Thats really the same thing Efren did here.
I saw this on youtube a while back and had to try it. At first glance, I didn't notice he hit the short rail before the point, but after trying it I realized that was how it worked. On a super tight table, the shot can be played with little fear of pocketing the ball for them.
Now did Efren mean to do this exactly as it worked out? Who knows... he may of just tried to two rail bank it to his side and protect the cueball. Anywhere on his side is better that where it was. And he moved the cueball up towards the stack so it was protected. If it falls, sits in the pocket or just anywhere on his side of the table, its a great shot.
Well hell, now Efren, Freddy and Neil are wrong.
Correct em pj.
They don't know what you be knowin!
Correct em pj.
They don't know what you be knowin!
Not that hard
Efren did do that. He rolled the cueball onto the spot and the subsequent spotted balls got him out of the trap.
The older the table, and the more of a slight indentation in the slate, the easier it is to roll the cueball onto the spot. Even on a new table the spot itself has a little indentation that will help to capture the cue ball.
Try it and you will see that is about even money to roll the cue ball onto the spot.
Beard
What was hard was his ability to visualize doing something like that.
Efren did do that. He rolled the cueball onto the spot and the subsequent spotted balls got him out of the trap.
The older the table, and the more of a slight indentation in the slate, the easier it is to roll the cueball onto the spot. Even on a new table the spot itself has a little indentation that will help to capture the cue ball.
Try it and you will see that is about even money to roll the cue ball onto the spot.
Beard
What was hard was his ability to visualize doing something like that.