Wow!....I know why she didn't post her second match: clank, clank, clank, thunk, thunk! I think there may have been some damaged rails after that one because hit drove balls into all of them!
Emily Duddy VS Ine Helvik match Amway Cup March 2013
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Does the term "nit" mean different things in other parts of the country than it does in my area? It sure is being thrown around a lot here and I'm not sure how it applies to those at whom it has been aimed.
Buddha gets my vote for best poster in this thread. Just sayin...
Buddha gets my vote for best poster in this thread. Just sayin...
Its just a word that was used some by the "cool" people on AZ so others followed suit and started using it. Over time due to overuse and missuse, the definition has been watered down to include pretty much anybody that would like to prevent something from happening that you want.
On topic. Emily, you are a GREAT player. You have one of the BEST strokes in the game. Don't listen to any of the critics because they are all nits! If they criticize you just tell them whatever excuses you need to to let them know that they are wrong and just being plain old bullies. They have no right to tell you negative things because you only asked them to be brutally honest. Keep wearing the same outfits you have been so that you get more stalk...I mean supporters for your activities. I bet you would get even more if you played in lingerie and released a nude photo set! This is all a good thing for womens pool because not only will it keep up the clean image that womens pool has been promoting over the years, it will put you in the same eschelon of famous female players such as Shanelle Lorraine! Go get 'em tiger!
she will "real eyes" by her footprints they were an essential part of her path
It's ok, just a study in human nature my friend, if nothing else it's always a lesson in patience, tolerance and perseverance - the strong will survive.
Emily's not in her "Prime" yet, so be careful "friends of negativity" you may be eating crow mignon before it's over.
The road to the top is not paved with sugar and flowers, it's paved with sweat, determination and the will to prove you can to those that believe you can't.
Emily will learn to travel HER path and channel these qualities and when she gets to the top and looks back down at those that heckled her she will "real eyes" by her footprints they were an essential part of her path. 'The Game is the Teacher'
As for me? I'm not going anywhere, heck, I'm in my Prime. :thumbup:
Straightpool_99;4137261 The only forum who actually offer good advise for people like me said:
It's ok, just a study in human nature my friend, if nothing else it's always a lesson in patience, tolerance and perseverance - the strong will survive.
Emily's not in her "Prime" yet, so be careful "friends of negativity" you may be eating crow mignon before it's over.
The road to the top is not paved with sugar and flowers, it's paved with sweat, determination and the will to prove you can to those that believe you can't. Emily will learn to travel HER path and channel these qualities and when she gets to the top and looks back down at those that heckled her she will "real eyes" by her footprints they were an essential part of her path. 'The Game is the Teacher'
As for me? I'm not going anywhere, heck, I'm in my Prime. :thumbup:
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You didn't say she has one of the best strokes, you said she has the best stroke. Big difference.
But never mind.
Just wanted to make sure the Emily Duddy AZB forums show stayed alive for the umpteenth consecutive week.
Hopefully all the negative posts here will motivate her to prove them all wrong. I just think it's kind of sad that instead of supporting a player we now have 18+ pages of mostly hate. She asked for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, like safety play or patterns...but what she got was wardrobe criticism and very snide, negative comments on what they (who are they, anyway?) opine as her level of play. If only there were some way to randomly pick the most negative of posters and get them on a stream playing her a decent set...love to see who'd get "TAR'd" and "Feathered" then...something tells me they might not like it.
I love pool, I made a ton of money at it, enjoy meeting new people, and enjoy helping people improve, if they want to learn. If you want to be a great player, just play 10 hours a day, every day, and love to do it. THEN YOU WILL BE A WORLD BEATER. Emily has what it takes.
Pathetic Shark
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Eh? The strong have gone, my friend.
Emily's not in her "Prime" yet, so be careful "friends of negativity" you may be eating crow mignon before it's over.
How well she plays appears to polarise opinion to an extent, although run a closed poll on it and you might see a very clear consensus forming...
Anyway, CJ, if you think she's on a path to glory, why don't you take her 'under your wing' (crow metaphor) and mentor her? Teach her TOI. Teach her all the other secrets you have. Record her progress as a player over a set time. Sponsor and invest in her. You're a showman and a self-publicist, who's looking to reinvigorise the game and create characters and human interest stories in the process, so what better way than to document the improvement of someone so readily dismissed as just a pretty face?
..........It's ok, just a study in human nature my friend, if nothing else it's always a lesson in patience, tolerance and perseverance - the strong will survive.
Emily's not in her "Prime" yet, so be careful "friends of negativity" you may be eating crow mignon before it's over.
Emily will learn to travel HER path and channel these qualities and when she gets to the top and looks back down at those that heckled her she will "real eyes" by her footprints they were an essential part of her path. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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I dont think it is fair to compare her normal PROs, due to the fact that we automatically think of men pros. She is listed as a pro on the womens tour......does she play as good as the top 20....um no, but she is playing on the tour. Does she need improvement? Sure we all do. Is she great? Not yet. Now if she come to your pool room, how many WOMEN do you have at your pool room that can beat her? That is how I think we should look at it. Would I play her even? All day long. Do I care how she dresses? No. She has her style just like the other women have their own style. The only thing I will say about it is if you dress that way dont get offended if someone looks at you a certain way or makes comments. We are human and I will look!
Back when we had a pool hall the answer would have been one. We only had one serious female player and she could probably give Emily the 7. I haven't watched her play in the last couple years but I'd still back her against Emily. I don't think she has the luxury of flying all over the world to get the occasional win over the random below top fifty player like Emily does or I suppose she'd be a "pro" too. I'm not bashing, just saying that at our hall we did in fact have a woman who could play very well. I wish them both the best in their pool careers.
So you have or had 1 that could....now if there was a guy that played her speed and come to your pool room how many MEN could play him even and win? I am gonna go ahead and answer that with at least 7 on the low side. I think that is the difference between the women and men pros. Their skill curve is not like mens. I know that sounds bad but its true. If women didnt have their own tour how many would make to the money in tournys? So by those standards she is a pro. By mens standards she is not.
Hi Emily,
A small preface. I don't know much about you, other than this clip and your match against Chieh-Yu Chou that someone linked. At my best 20 years ago, I was a B-player, and a bit more consistent than you are now. I haven't played since then, and my son is getting me back into it (slowly). I recently joined due to that small spark. The game is too addictive and I had to quit due to interference with other aspects of life. That said, this is what I noticed, so take it with my small background in mind, and a large grain of salt.
1. Speed control, it's a bit lacking especially into open space. It could be because the cloth is not what you're used to and you didn't get enough practice?
2. Angle off the cue, I think you need some work on this. I think you are misreading/misunderstanding how the cue will deflect off (with or without english) leading to point #3.
3. Position, #1 and #2 leads you to bad positions. I don't necessarily know where you want to go all the time, it's not obvious, but you get into worse and worse situations till you need to power a ball in and/or miss outright.
4. Safety, it needs some work. Learn some more and with #1 and #2 you can do well. 9 ball safeties, with an open table, really need them.
5. Shot selection, you made some choices I wouldn't have. I noticed one place where you went for a combo after pocketing a ball, and leaving you with mediocre position, that you went for a combo instead of going for a safety. If you can't run a table, plan a safety well in advance.
When I went from a C+ player to a B player my routine was really laying out the entire table, and not just a few shots at a time. I am not sure if you're doing that, and if you are, clearly it's execution that is failing you. I think you need to practice other games as well, 8-ball, one pocket, and 14.1. I found playing those games helped me immensely at 9-ball, positioning became tighter. Reading caroms and ball control improved as well. A well played 8-ball game is very tough, IMO. Safe and safe and safe until you can run out for sure.
Clothing, I thought it was OK. I did find it noticeable that you had to pull down your skirt at times. It seemed a bit uncomfortable to me, but it may not have been for you. FWIW, I thought your manner of dress against Chieh-Yu Chou was better. That said, whatever works for you.
I also think it's great that you're, traveling, and competing against the top players. It's a great way to learn and to broaden your experience base against players you normally don't experience in person. It's a commitment that I could never make. I hope you can watch your match against Chieh-Yu Chou and pick up some pointers. In that match, I didn't like your body language. I am not sure what your state of mind was, but you seemed to be beat the moment after the first run. Chieh-Yu Chou is a great player, and I consider it an honor to play her in an environment where you get to see her A game and not have to give up $$$ directly. I think indirectly through travel is easier on the ego.
BTW, it was the first time I heard of Chieh-Yu Chou and saw her play. She amazed me. Yes, I'm that far removed from the game and it's players.
Your time will come, keep practicing shots and drills, and I think upping the mental game will help you immensely. You probably started playing late in life, just as I did. Your commitment to learning and enduring pain to push further is clear. My best wishes to you and your pool career.
A small preface. I don't know much about you, other than this clip and your match against Chieh-Yu Chou that someone linked. At my best 20 years ago, I was a B-player, and a bit more consistent than you are now. I haven't played since then, and my son is getting me back into it (slowly). I recently joined due to that small spark. The game is too addictive and I had to quit due to interference with other aspects of life. That said, this is what I noticed, so take it with my small background in mind, and a large grain of salt.
1. Speed control, it's a bit lacking especially into open space. It could be because the cloth is not what you're used to and you didn't get enough practice?
2. Angle off the cue, I think you need some work on this. I think you are misreading/misunderstanding how the cue will deflect off (with or without english) leading to point #3.
3. Position, #1 and #2 leads you to bad positions. I don't necessarily know where you want to go all the time, it's not obvious, but you get into worse and worse situations till you need to power a ball in and/or miss outright.
4. Safety, it needs some work. Learn some more and with #1 and #2 you can do well. 9 ball safeties, with an open table, really need them.
5. Shot selection, you made some choices I wouldn't have. I noticed one place where you went for a combo after pocketing a ball, and leaving you with mediocre position, that you went for a combo instead of going for a safety. If you can't run a table, plan a safety well in advance.
When I went from a C+ player to a B player my routine was really laying out the entire table, and not just a few shots at a time. I am not sure if you're doing that, and if you are, clearly it's execution that is failing you. I think you need to practice other games as well, 8-ball, one pocket, and 14.1. I found playing those games helped me immensely at 9-ball, positioning became tighter. Reading caroms and ball control improved as well. A well played 8-ball game is very tough, IMO. Safe and safe and safe until you can run out for sure.
Clothing, I thought it was OK. I did find it noticeable that you had to pull down your skirt at times. It seemed a bit uncomfortable to me, but it may not have been for you. FWIW, I thought your manner of dress against Chieh-Yu Chou was better. That said, whatever works for you.
I also think it's great that you're, traveling, and competing against the top players. It's a great way to learn and to broaden your experience base against players you normally don't experience in person. It's a commitment that I could never make. I hope you can watch your match against Chieh-Yu Chou and pick up some pointers. In that match, I didn't like your body language. I am not sure what your state of mind was, but you seemed to be beat the moment after the first run. Chieh-Yu Chou is a great player, and I consider it an honor to play her in an environment where you get to see her A game and not have to give up $$$ directly. I think indirectly through travel is easier on the ego.
BTW, it was the first time I heard of Chieh-Yu Chou and saw her play. She amazed me. Yes, I'm that far removed from the game and it's players.Your time will come, keep practicing shots and drills, and I think upping the mental game will help you immensely. You probably started playing late in life, just as I did. Your commitment to learning and enduring pain to push further is clear. My best wishes to you and your pool career.
Hi Emily,
A small preface. I don't know much about you, other than this clip and your match against Chieh-Yu Chou that someone linked. At my best 20 years ago, I was a B-player, and a bit more consistent than you are now. I haven't played since then, and my son is getting me back into it (slowly). I recently joined due to that small spark. The game is too addictive and I had to quit due to interference with other aspects of life. That said, this is what I noticed, so take it with my small background in mind, and a large grain of salt.
1. Speed control, it's a bit lacking especially into open space. It could be because the cloth is not what you're used to and you didn't get enough practice?
2. Angle off the cue, I think you need some work on this. I think you are misreading/misunderstanding how the cue will deflect off (with or without english) leading to point #3.
3. Position, #1 and #2 leads you to bad positions. I don't necessarily know where you want to go all the time, it's not obvious, but you get into worse and worse situations till you need to power a ball in and/or miss outright.
4. Safety, it needs some work. Learn some more and with #1 and #2 you can do well. 9 ball safeties, with an open table, really need them.
5. Shot selection, you made some choices I wouldn't have. I noticed one place where you went for a combo after pocketing a ball, and leaving you with mediocre position, that you went for a combo instead of going for a safety. If you can't run a table, plan a safety well in advance.
When I went from a C+ player to a B player my routine was really laying out the entire table, and not just a few shots at a time. I am not sure if you're doing that, and if you are, clearly it's execution that is failing you. I think you need to practice other games as well, 8-ball, one pocket, and 14.1. I found playing those games helped me immensely at 9-ball, positioning became tighter. Reading caroms and ball control improved as well. A well played 8-ball game is very tough, IMO. Safe and safe and safe until you can run out for sure.
Clothing, I thought it was OK. I did find it noticeable that you had to pull down your skirt at times. It seemed a bit uncomfortable to me, but it may not have been for you. FWIW, I thought your manner of dress against Chieh-Yu Chou was better. That said, whatever works for you.
I also think it's great that you're, traveling, and competing against the top players. It's a great way to learn and to broaden your experience base against players you normally don't experience in person. It's a commitment that I could never make. I hope you can watch your match against Chieh-Yu Chou and pick up some pointers. In that match, I didn't like your body language. I am not sure what your state of mind was, but you seemed to be beat the moment after the first run. Chieh-Yu Chou is a great player, and I consider it an honor to play her in an environment where you get to see her A game and not have to give up $$$ directly. I think indirectly through travel is easier on the ego.
Your time will come, keep practicing shots and drills, and I think upping the mental game will help you immensely. You probably started playing late in life, just as I did. Your commitment to learning and enduring pain to push further is clear. My best wishes to you and your pool career.
Could be one of the best posts in the thread, from someone with 8 posts total :clapping::clapping:
U R a ``hater``!! 
Hi Emily,
A small preface. I don't know much about you, other than this clip and your match against Chieh-Yu Chou that someone linked. At my best 20 years ago, I was a B-player, and a bit more consistent than you are now. I haven't played since then, and my son is getting me back into it (slowly). I recently joined due to that small spark. The game is too addictive and I had to quit due to interference with other aspects of life. That said, this is what I noticed, so take it with my small background in mind, and a large grain of salt.
1. Speed control, it's a bit lacking especially into open space. It could be because the cloth is not what you're used to and you didn't get enough practice?
2. Angle off the cue, I think you need some work on this. I think you are misreading/misunderstanding how the cue will deflect off (with or without english) leading to point #3.
3. Position, #1 and #2 leads you to bad positions. I don't necessarily know where you want to go all the time, it's not obvious, but you get into worse and worse situations till you need to power a ball in and/or miss outright.
4. Safety, it needs some work. Learn some more and with #1 and #2 you can do well. 9 ball safeties, with an open table, really need them.
5. Shot selection, you made some choices I wouldn't have. I noticed one place where you went for a combo after pocketing a ball, and leaving you with mediocre position, that you went for a combo instead of going for a safety. If you can't run a table, plan a safety well in advance.
When I went from a C+ player to a B player my routine was really laying out the entire table, and not just a few shots at a time. I am not sure if you're doing that, and if you are, clearly it's execution that is failing you. I think you need to practice other games as well, 8-ball, one pocket, and 14.1. I found playing those games helped me immensely at 9-ball, positioning became tighter. Reading caroms and ball control improved as well. A well played 8-ball game is very tough, IMO. Safe and safe and safe until you can run out for sure.
Clothing, I thought it was OK. I did find it noticeable that you had to pull down your skirt at times. It seemed a bit uncomfortable to me, but it may not have been for you. FWIW, I thought your manner of dress against Chieh-Yu Chou was better. That said, whatever works for you.
I also think it's great that you're, traveling, and competing against the top players. It's a great way to learn and to broaden your experience base against players you normally don't experience in person. It's a commitment that I could never make. I hope you can watch your match against Chieh-Yu Chou and pick up some pointers. In that match, I didn't like your body language. I am not sure what your state of mind was, but you seemed to be beat the moment after the first run. Chieh-Yu Chou is a great player, and I consider it an honor to play her in an environment where you get to see her A game and not have to give up $$$ directly. I think indirectly through travel is easier on the ego.
Your time will come, keep practicing shots and drills, and I think upping the mental game will help you immensely. You probably started playing late in life, just as I did. Your commitment to learning and enduring pain to push further is clear. My best wishes to you and your pool career.
After reading this entire thread the one question that I'm still curious about is: How does Emily believe her game stacks up against the woman in the top ten? I've heard her refer to herself as a great player, so I'm wondering what areas of her game she thinks she needs to improve to get there.
The thing is, the cue ball doesn't lie. There are several shots that jumped out at me, where she just didn't shoot them like a good rotation player would shoot them. I don't have the exact shot written down but I can think of a shot where most good players would have spun the cue ball two rails into the corner and back out underneath the 8 ball for position on it. Instead Emily went just 1 rail and ended up okay, but the position zone was much smaller the way she shot it.
These sorts of shots jump out at most decent players. They are quite telling when it comes to judging where someone is at as far as their cue ball control is concerned (knowing the cue ball paths, tracks, etc). Based on that I think she has a ways to go. For me, it's sort of like watching a really good bar box 8 ball player, play 9 or 10 ball. They just don't always shoot the 9 or 10 ball shot the way you would expect. Sometimes they get away with it, but over time it catches it up with them.
I'll crawl back into my basement now...
The thing is, the cue ball doesn't lie. There are several shots that jumped out at me, where she just didn't shoot them like a good rotation player would shoot them. I don't have the exact shot written down but I can think of a shot where most good players would have spun the cue ball two rails into the corner and back out underneath the 8 ball for position on it. Instead Emily went just 1 rail and ended up okay, but the position zone was much smaller the way she shot it.
These sorts of shots jump out at most decent players. They are quite telling when it comes to judging where someone is at as far as their cue ball control is concerned (knowing the cue ball paths, tracks, etc). Based on that I think she has a ways to go. For me, it's sort of like watching a really good bar box 8 ball player, play 9 or 10 ball. They just don't always shoot the 9 or 10 ball shot the way you would expect. Sometimes they get away with it, but over time it catches it up with them.
I'll crawl back into my basement now...
Agreed A++
Hi everybody
I was not aware that this match was taped. This is the match I wanted to forget after that tournament, I collapsed totally, but I understand why Emily like this one. She made the important balls and won
Anyway, I see that most of you are commenting on her clothes... I guess that means I am off the hook
Nice meeting you Emily, all you can do is continue the hard work and it will pay off.
Ine
I was not aware that this match was taped. This is the match I wanted to forget after that tournament, I collapsed totally, but I understand why Emily like this one. She made the important balls and won
Anyway, I see that most of you are commenting on her clothes... I guess that means I am off the hook
Nice meeting you Emily, all you can do is continue the hard work and it will pay off.
Ine
Well . . .
Well, now that you mention clothes, we haven't critiqued yours yet!
Hu
Hi everybody
I was not aware that this match was taped. This is the match I wanted to forget after that tournament, I collapsed totally, but I understand why Emily like this one. She made the important balls and won
Anyway, I see that most of you are commenting on her clothes... I guess that means I am off the hook
Nice meeting you Emily, all you can do is continue the hard work and it will pay off.
Ine
Well, now that you mention clothes, we haven't critiqued yours yet!
Hu
Hi everybody
I was not aware that this match was taped. This is the match I wanted to forget after that tournament, I collapsed totally, but I understand why Emily like this one. She made the important balls and won
Anyway, I see that most of you are commenting on her clothes... I guess that means I am off the hook
Nice meeting you Emily, all you can do is continue the hard work and it will pay off.
Ine
Classy Post! We have all had times we wish we could never have again and the same is true for pool tournaments and matches. You win some, you lose some and then there is always tomorrow.