Emily Duddy VS Ine Helvik match Amway Cup March 2013
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What I was saying is everyone is dogging her saying she not a PRO player when in fact she is a pro by womens standards. Chris is a pro player by mens standards. They are both lower tier pros. The rules for most non pro tourneys are if you have ever been paid winnings in a pro or open tourney. Both of them have. Ergo they are both considered pros.
Well, even this can be argued because who's to say what qualifies any poolplayer as a "pro"? In golf they have a tour card. In rodeo they have a PBA card. In baseball, football, basketball, etc. they have organizations that are well-known to the general public (and without a doubt to anyone) to be professional. I could go on and on with examples, but I won't. In pool, all we basically have is a "word of mouth" proclamation of someone being a "pro". I've seen names of men and women tossed out in conversations as being "pros" that in my opinion were not in a tier to be considered part of the world's best (say top 100). How many "tiers" of pros do we have anyway? Who makes any decisions about which tier any given poolplayer, man or woman, belongs in? So, some local shortstop enters an open tournament that is being held near his hometown, has a decent run, finishes in some small money, and is now considered a "pro"??? Surely there's a better way. To call this local shortstop a pro is watering-down the term "pro". There should be some kind of method/criteria of qualifying as a "pro" than just winning some small amount of cash ONE TIME in an open or pro tournament.
So, who really decides who is and who isn't a pro? It's a crap-shoot often determined by an individual opinion.
Maniac
it is decided by tourneys, if you play in a pro tourney and place in the money you are considered pro. Do I agree with this, no but this is what we have. I wish we had a system like golf with qualifiers.
Maybe where you are from. In other areas, you have to actually play like a pro to be considered a pro.
makes a lot of sense?
The old time road player that spent a lifetime making a living on the road while dodging tournaments was an amateur by today's standards. A decent "B" player can benefit from an easy draw and poor turnout and cash in a pro event. He is now a pro. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it?
Hu
The old time road player that spent a lifetime making a living on the road while dodging tournaments was an amateur by today's standards. A decent "B" player can benefit from an easy draw and poor turnout and cash in a pro event. He is now a pro. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it?
Hu
No. No she is not. THAT is the point many of us have been making all along. It was never about comparing women to men. It was about comparing Emily to the other WOMEN players out there. And frankly, she doesn't stack up. Sure she's ranked 20th in the WPBA... because she plays every event. There are a number of players ranked LOWER than her who would give her the 7 and still win. Emily is a pro because the WPBA ain't what it used to be. She's not a "great player".
It looks like you are debating what your "personal opinion" of what you consider a pro player and in the process your trashing the poor girl who seemed proud to show us her match and how she is improving... This is not cool but hey this is AZ and when your wrong you can be considered right!
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A portion of this argument seems rather silly to me. Actually, a lot of it is silly, but one thing in particular....
If Emily is ranked by the WPBA, it certainly seems to me that she is considered "a professional" by the one governing body that matters.
As to whether or not she can be beaten by others is a moot point. The Women's Professional Billiards Association considers her to be a pro, because the include her in their rankings. It doesn't matter that she plays in more events than others, she participates, and is included in their results. She has no control over who else decides to participate. End of story.
Carry on.
If Emily is ranked by the WPBA, it certainly seems to me that she is considered "a professional" by the one governing body that matters.
As to whether or not she can be beaten by others is a moot point. The Women's Professional Billiards Association considers her to be a pro, because the include her in their rankings. It doesn't matter that she plays in more events than others, she participates, and is included in their results. She has no control over who else decides to participate. End of story.
Carry on.
Perfect point!!!
Emily played in the women's pro event at the SBE this year. A whopping 17 person field. Emily lost to a very unpracticed, out of stroke Morgan Steinman who, on any given day, would be a strong favorite against Emily. Meanwhile Sarah Rousey, who hadn't played in over a year, finished fourth.
The WPBA is in shambles right now. So being ranked in the top 20 isn't really a true gauge as to how strong one is.
Pathetic Shark
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I think the 'pro' label is moot. It is the 'great player' comment that sticks in the craw. Frankly, it's an astonishing claim to make - somewhat embarrassing, in fact.
Exactly Mr. Dub
But don't let the nits here you or they will be up in arms....The funny part is the folks that are kinda dissing her are pretty much "low level player" nobodies, that most likely hate the fact that though they may be close to her level on a good day, get their arse kicked on a regular basis by most men
Rj, this sums the whole thread up, gReat post!
I agree with everything here, you do not have to be the best player to jump up and play against the best.
She is on her way, Emily looks to have what it takes to play this game at a high level, she just needs more time to bring it all together.
The main thing here is, Emily has the talent now she has to put it all together!
I like how everyone who disagrees with what myself and a few others are saying also readily admit that Enily is not quite there yet.
In other words... you agree with us??? You can stop arguing now guys. It's pretty obvious to everyone... yourselves included.
In other words... you agree with us??? You can stop arguing now guys. It's pretty obvious to everyone... yourselves included.
I still think folks are using the term Nit wrong...
Once again, you are mixing pro status with pro speed. Bartram probably qualifies either way as a "pro," while Duddy is only a pro in the technical sense, ie she does not play at pro speed. The only reason she has pro status is due to the WPBA being a defunct organization at the moment.
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The funny part is the folks that are kinda dissing her are pretty much "low level player" nobodies, that most likely hate the fact that though they may be close to her level on a good day, get their arse kicked on a regular basis by most men
That's an interesting way to look at it.
Another possibility, however, is that those who think she plays at pro speed really has no clue how to gauge player speed in general, because they simply lack the requisite knowledge in the game. Everyone watched the same youtube videos, but not everyone understands the shot selections/positional routes that makes her claim to be a "great player" or even a "pro" so ludicrous.
Ignorance is not a crime. This game lacks a viewing audience partly because it takes years at the table to truly appreciate just how bad you are at it. Many D, C players cannot appreciate the difference between open and pro speeds. Hell many solid B players can't tell the difference.
In Emily's case, however, we're talking about a larger gap than that.
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