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This Is The Umpteenth Time He Has Left A Forum. Nothing New.
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That Was Predictable
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Joey, You Really Do Not Know The Guy.
Alex Kanapilly said:
I can not agree with this more.. I'm not some living legend in pool or anything just some player, but I feel I contribute to the content of the forum as much as anybody. I for one love reading the old hustler stories, road trips, and even hearing his opinions on players whether it ruffles some feathers or not. Somethings to point out here though, if your going to do that... Point in fact if your going to do just about anything on the internet then sooner or later your going to be dealing with some internet "tough guy" (is what they call them on the boating boards) or in this case internet "expert." You can't get all upset about it becuase some peon in another state (or planet for that matter in most cases) disagrees and even on occasion gets personal.
I just got back from the river and was kind of stunned to see the thread as a whole (becuase this site really doesn't have any drama on it that I can see.. the lil it does is childs play compared to most boards)!!
I didn't really want to comment on it, becuase I enjoy reading Grady's stories, but MacGuy is right.
On other boards they are known as "suicide" posts on other boards, and the subject is nothing new on internet message boards. Poster A makes a post saying "I'm never coming back, and F this place" or something to that effect. Problem is though after starting the thread they have to come back to read what people wrote about them, it's only natural.
A bunch of people say nice things, somebody says something not even necesarrily wrong, and the group jumps on them (In this case MacGuy) now Poster A feels important again and starts posting..
If he was really leaving, then he wouldn't have written the post to begin with. I love Grady's stories again, and I do believe he contributes to content quite a bit!! So don't take it the wrong way, But I don't think MacGuy said anything that wasn't obvious to anyone that spends any kind of time on internet forums.. And he especially didn't say anything that would be in need of any kind of moderator intervention?
Incidentally, I myself have written one of those posts on another board.. LOL I'm embarassed to say I still post there.
Pretty sure everybody that posts controversial content on the internet writes one sooner or later. Sometimes even multiple times. 
DJ
PlynSets said:
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I think we'll have to disagree. MG grossly overstated and exaggerated (ie. "he always does this...he always says that...he only does this).
Everyone will post about themselves sometimes. Everyone will be outspoken in their beliefs sometimes. To use language like MG did is just juvenile (or ignorant of the realities of Grady's posts), and designed specifically to cause trouble. NOTHING MG said is obvious to me, and I do spend a lot of time in the forum (in fact it was dead wrong - Grady occasionally if not frequently does those things like all of the rest of us - he just knows more about the subjects than we do, and the anonymous MG seems to be really irked that many give Grady more creedence).
If MG was a movie, then Double Thumbs down (though he is certainly entitled to his opinion no matter how misinformed).
Williebetmore said:
The portion of MacGuy's posts that I was agreeing with was more the "suicide" posts and how they play out on the internet. (As well as proper etiquette on a message board etc..) I more or less skimmed the rest of the thread so I might've missed some personal attacks in there?
I'll go back and reread it.
DJ
Don't do it Grady
Grady: When I get my "Inside Pool" magazine, the first thing I do is turn to your column. After reading it, I then set up the shot or shots you explain on my table and I practice them until I own them. I rarely do much more with the mag than leaf through it. Lastly, I cut out your column and paste it into my "Grady Matthews" "Great one pocket shots digest" Basically thats what I do on this forum. I never miss the opportunity to read your posts. They are great, and I will sorely miss them. You know more about this game than most of us will ever learn and it is too bad that the "dead beats" that frequent this forum can do nothing but criticize you. They will be "dead beats" forever, while you will be forever a champion!
See you at the DCC!
Cross Side Larry,
"Learn from the best, and beat the rest" (And you are one of the best)
Grady said:
Grady: When I get my "Inside Pool" magazine, the first thing I do is turn to your column. After reading it, I then set up the shot or shots you explain on my table and I practice them until I own them. I rarely do much more with the mag than leaf through it. Lastly, I cut out your column and paste it into my "Grady Matthews" "Great one pocket shots digest" Basically thats what I do on this forum. I never miss the opportunity to read your posts. They are great, and I will sorely miss them. You know more about this game than most of us will ever learn and it is too bad that the "dead beats" that frequent this forum can do nothing but criticize you. They will be "dead beats" forever, while you will be forever a champion!
See you at the DCC!
Cross Side Larry,
"Learn from the best, and beat the rest" (And you are one of the best)
Grady said:
Grady my Man,
You and I go back a long, long way, to Charlie Milliken's joint in Norwalk in the 60's. I first saw you tangling with Ronnie on the front table, playing for something like $50 a game. He was giving you weight. I KNOW you remember.
I'm thinking, who is this odd looking character playing the great R.A. and bantering with him and winning games. You were a player than and have been ever since. You never looked for the easiest game, always willing to tangle with the best out there. I admired that about you, your willingness to get in there and mix it up. Grady, you stayed in action!
For the next 30-40 years, I would hear about your latest escapades and who you played this time. Your Colo. Springs pool room was famous across the country and every road man stopped in to try you out. And you played them all! I NEVER heard of you turning down anyone for a match. You won some and you lost some, but you played! You did not sit on the sidelines waiting for the nuts.
You and I have not always seen eye to eye, but I want to tell you something publicly Grady. I admire your courage as well as your ability. You probably know as much about One Pocket as anyone who ever lived.
If I could somehow transplant your brain into Cliff Joyner's body, Efren wouldn't have a chance. In fact that's a good idea for a game. Let Efren try to give Cliff a ball with you coaching him. Now I like Cliff in that spot.
Like many others here, I like seeing your posts. When you talk about old time players, it always brings back memories for me. Because like you, I knew these guys too. And who else on here, besides you and Freddie and a couple of others, can correct me when I misstate something. You know the oral history of this game as well as anyone. We lived it for the last 40 years. What I like to call the modern era of pool, post The Hustler, circa 1961.
So hang out with me buddy, and let's keep telling stories. I don't care if someone rips me once in a while. I can take it. And so can you. Hey look, you played the greatest pool players alive. Thats a helluva lot rougher than going on here and offering an opinion that someone might not agree with.
You know Grady, I've always said "There's nothing I've done in life any harder than having to make the 9 Ball from off the end rail for all my cash." And it's true. After you've been in that fire a few hundred times, everything else seems rather tame.
Pool has actually helped me become a good poker player, because I know how to keep my cool when the going gets tough. Some guys can't. So don't leave me in this wilderness alone. For whatever reason, I relate the best to you and Freddie on here. We are peers and I'm not ashamed to say, you always could kick my ass on a pool table. But unlike you, I ducked guys like you. lol
Toupee man
And by the way, you never called me Toupee back when I hated that name. You always addressed me as Jay. So thanks.
You are the Best
Grady, You put on a exibition at Jimmy Wetch's and my pool hall in Blomington MN years ago. Your exibition was more of an instructional clinic than a exibition. You imparted more pool knowledge in one and half hours than I thought possible. I am not saying you are always right, but if anyone disagrees with you, my first thought is the guy is an idiot. You know what you are talking about and anyone who knows about pool knows that. I am going to miss your valuable coments.
John Alexis
Grady, You put on a exibition at Jimmy Wetch's and my pool hall in Blomington MN years ago. Your exibition was more of an instructional clinic than a exibition. You imparted more pool knowledge in one and half hours than I thought possible. I am not saying you are always right, but if anyone disagrees with you, my first thought is the guy is an idiot. You know what you are talking about and anyone who knows about pool knows that. I am going to miss your valuable coments.
John Alexis
Alex Kanapilly said:
I agree. I too don't understand what Macguy did wrong here.
gr. Dave
Thanks Jay
What a nice post, Jay. Thank you more than I can put into words. As it turns out, the guy who was most annoying is only 22 years old and he had the nerve to scold me about my Efren postings. He apologized and I told him I'm perfectly willing to start over and be friends.
You're right about one thing, too. If you weren't there like we were, you just don't know how it was.You know too, that because I never drank or took drugs, my memory is awfully good. So at least when I relate pool history I'm practically always going to be right. I remember and will admit to every loss I took, too. I know some great players that won't confess to a single beating.
Thanks again for brightening my day.
What a nice post, Jay. Thank you more than I can put into words. As it turns out, the guy who was most annoying is only 22 years old and he had the nerve to scold me about my Efren postings. He apologized and I told him I'm perfectly willing to start over and be friends.
You're right about one thing, too. If you weren't there like we were, you just don't know how it was.You know too, that because I never drank or took drugs, my memory is awfully good. So at least when I relate pool history I'm practically always going to be right. I remember and will admit to every loss I took, too. I know some great players that won't confess to a single beating.
Thanks again for brightening my day.
That was a pretty classy post, Jay. Nice to see someone take the time to make a long post that compiments someone, and also shows a willingness to look back and let whatever problems happened back then fade away.
I don't think Grady, or anyone else for that matter is right 100% of the time, but I definately believe only those who have paid some serious dues in pool should be giving him any crap.
I don't think Grady, or anyone else for that matter is right 100% of the time, but I definately believe only those who have paid some serious dues in pool should be giving him any crap.
bud green said:
BG,
Tap, tap, tap. I'm sure Grady is coming to realize that this forum is just like any poolroom any of us have visited. There are many who think that all opinions are of equal value; an egalitarian idea to be sure, but not realistic in any way. I like the idea of the "serious dues", you hit the nail on the head.
For those that don't already know my thoughts on the subject, here is a link to a post I made on the "Security vs. Freedom" issue. Posted after a lesson with Grady - who will open your eyes to a number of issues on and off the green felt.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=13870
Macguy.....one minor difference.
Grady is real. The people he mentions are real.
I've always had issue with the nameless, faceless, identity-less, anonymous posters who feel that they deserve to be heard and taken seriously as a person who is real and well known.
As "macguy", who are you? I have no idea.
I know who Grady is.
Should it make it easier to pick a side here?
Who should the community rally behind?
I know it affects my opinion.
Grady is real. The people he mentions are real.
I've always had issue with the nameless, faceless, identity-less, anonymous posters who feel that they deserve to be heard and taken seriously as a person who is real and well known.
As "macguy", who are you? I have no idea.
I know who Grady is.
Should it make it easier to pick a side here?
Who should the community rally behind?
I know it affects my opinion.
What an attitude!!
Macguy, I resent being put in the same catagory as the lowlifes you've described. This is the last time I'll bother with you but maybe you warrant one more try. Here goes, speaking only for me:
1.I NEVER drank or took drugs.
2.I have NO record, don't believe me-go ahead and run a criminal background check on me.
3.I was a single father for 13 years and I NEVER asked for or received entitlements.
4."Lazy selfish lives at the expense of others", Man, what's wrong with you? "Lying, borrowing and stealing", I don't remember my friends and peers acting like that.
Nick Varner, Howard Vickery, Jim Rempe, Dallas West, Ray Martin, Steve Mizerak, Kim Davenport and Johnny Archer, just to mention a few who don't fit your profile at all.
Do you really think it's fair to lump us all into one degenerate catagory because of one or two bad experiences?
Macguy, I resent being put in the same catagory as the lowlifes you've described. This is the last time I'll bother with you but maybe you warrant one more try. Here goes, speaking only for me:
1.I NEVER drank or took drugs.
2.I have NO record, don't believe me-go ahead and run a criminal background check on me.
3.I was a single father for 13 years and I NEVER asked for or received entitlements.
4."Lazy selfish lives at the expense of others", Man, what's wrong with you? "Lying, borrowing and stealing", I don't remember my friends and peers acting like that.
Nick Varner, Howard Vickery, Jim Rempe, Dallas West, Ray Martin, Steve Mizerak, Kim Davenport and Johnny Archer, just to mention a few who don't fit your profile at all.
Do you really think it's fair to lump us all into one degenerate catagory because of one or two bad experiences?
Grady said:
No it is not and I just came back into the house because I was thinking about what I had written. I My response was more to his idea of the "Path less chosen" Comment as if the live by your wits and devil may care was something to be admired, when it is not. The players you mention are upstanding people who take care of families and own business have jobs and were also pool players. You I know do not fall into the category I described and I would bet more then a few owe you money and have takes advantage of you. You are one of the good guys, I remember playing in the tournament you put on with L. Bloodworth where you guys took a bath but every one got paid and no excuses. I apologize if it in any way seemed like what I wrote was meant to frame you in with the rest. I think it is best for me to delete the post because it is impossible for me to say what I mean without also dirtying up those who are innocent honest hard working players. I guess it just comes from years of owing a room with players in it. You become very jaded.
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I deleted the post because it is not possible to make my sentiments known without using names less I dirty up the rest. Should I tell about the name player who tried to rape a lady we were driving home in the back of my car or the champion player I caught behind my bar taking money from my register. I just think the ability to play pool does not raise these people above others and are in many ways given undue respect by starry-eyed fans.Mr. Wilson said:
My take on my contemporaries
This is an excerpt from the forward in my next book, The GosPool. My feelings about my craft and those I shared a life with should be self-evident. I ain't apologizing for myself or anybody else!
...Plus, no matter what I might say about anybody, it's all in fun. The truth is, I deeply love the game and all of the pool players, regardless of lifestyle or character. The sinners and the rogues I love best of all. I have the greatest amount of respect for pool ability. I know what a commitment it takes to be able to play.
the Beard
Mac, don't I remember you hustling the bars in Ft. Lauderdale back in the 60s for treys and fins?
This is an excerpt from the forward in my next book, The GosPool. My feelings about my craft and those I shared a life with should be self-evident. I ain't apologizing for myself or anybody else!
...Plus, no matter what I might say about anybody, it's all in fun. The truth is, I deeply love the game and all of the pool players, regardless of lifestyle or character. The sinners and the rogues I love best of all. I have the greatest amount of respect for pool ability. I know what a commitment it takes to be able to play.
the Beard
Mac, don't I remember you hustling the bars in Ft. Lauderdale back in the 60s for treys and fins?
freddy the beard said:
I know that was a little bit of a dig and you wanted to give me a little insult for what I said, and that's OK. but that was the economy of pool back then. There was a few guys who bet it up, we would be at the Congress when Corella would be playing $100. 9 ball with Jim Mataya or $1000. a game 9 ball with Hubbard and his backer with money coming out of every pocket.
But in general $5.00 or $10.00 a game was pretty good. You have to put it in context, gas was .30 a gallon you could rent a nice efficiency apartment not far from the beach for $65.00 a month life was pretty good. When the bar tables became common place any guy who could make a ball could go out an make a few bucks in the bars. It wasn't even hustling, you just put your quarter on the table, socialized a little and made what you could. No one got hurt the average guy may drop $4 or $6 bucks on a challenge table, have a few beers and enjoy his night out.
Mean time the pool player who was willing to put in the time could easily make themselves $50 or $80 a night and as much as a few hundred sometimes. Again, to put it in context, Minimum wage was $1.60 an hour and a very good job was $125. to $150 a week. Now here you have pool scuffs making $400, $500, $600. a week and up. The only people making that kind of money back then were bank presidents. There was a time when, at least in the south, I can't speak for other places, playing pool was a very good job.
I'll tell you something funny, I walked into a dealership to buy a new car. I paid cash for it and the biggest bill I gave the guy was a $20. I just had the money laying around the house in drawers. That cheap bar pool was pretty good back then.
What killed it was when pools popularity got such that places began putting more tables. When a place has four or five tables they don't have to play with you they just get on another table, the challenge table was over with. Credit cards didn't help either no one had any money in their pockets any more. There was just this short span of time when bar tables came out and playing pool was great for the average player wanting to make a few bucks.
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