Enough is enough -- shut up or put up
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td873 said:
I never claimed I could make a draw shot like this. In fact, I'd part with everything I own just to be able to play as well as my friend Chris can, (he is certainly not a one trick pony).
However, what I claim is that I'm fed up with all those who talk big, hidden behind their silly user names, but can't put up when push comes to shove. As I said, the initiating post that made Chris and I got "hum" was okinawa77's claims that he could draw 2 table length.
To me the irony isn't me putting up a video of a friend making this shot, but okinawa77's complete absence from this thread. Again I ask, why can't he, or any one of you who think this draw shot is an easy feat, put up a video of it?
By the way, the few who say that Chris somehow cheated, I choose to ignore.
-- peer
A few quotes from those who want to discredit Chris' skills:
And why would Andy Roddick wanna hit a 155 mph serve when it's possible to get an ace by hitting it slower? Or why would Mickey Mantle hit a 634 ft home run when the ballpark is much shorter? And why the hell would this Mosconi guy pocket 526 consecutive balls when they were just playing to 150?
Perhaps you, Mr. Cubswin et al, are jerking me around, but if you guys sincerely doubt that a power draw-shot is useful to, for example, break up balls or for position play, maybe this video will enlighten you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1Q-8nfiBk
Love, peace and understanding.
-- peer
JoeyInCali said:
cubswin said:
champ2107 said:
LoGiC said:I was thinking the same thing. Only real use for a stroke or shot like that would be betting againt some local drunks you could do it and see how much you walk away with i guess?
td873 said:
Neil said:
cubswin said:
And why would Andy Roddick wanna hit a 155 mph serve when it's possible to get an ace by hitting it slower? Or why would Mickey Mantle hit a 634 ft home run when the ballpark is much shorter? And why the hell would this Mosconi guy pocket 526 consecutive balls when they were just playing to 150?
Perhaps you, Mr. Cubswin et al, are jerking me around, but if you guys sincerely doubt that a power draw-shot is useful to, for example, break up balls or for position play, maybe this video will enlighten you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1Q-8nfiBk
Love, peace and understanding.
-- peer
Sure, great to break up balls if you have some control of it. Didn't see that in your video. I'm not looking for a argument, I'm just missing the allure of the shot and why someone saying they can draw the ball 20 table lengths bugs you to begin with. I'm just your low level ball banger guy who would rather try to play good position, good safeties, and consistent pool. I rarely do any of those, so maybe drawing the ball is what I should concentrate on instead of all the other things.
Hey pool is a fun game, if power draw shots for the sake of power draw shots makes you laugh and have fun then by all means draw away.
Hey pool is a fun game, if power draw shots for the sake of power draw shots makes you laugh and have fun then by all means draw away.
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I really do not think that Larry Nevel would have too much trouble executing this shot. Here is a sample of some of his draw shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWtyPrgn2VA
Southpaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWtyPrgn2VA
Southpaw
Cute thread.
Few of my thoughts I guess :
Interesting that the whole point is people BSing about wild claims , saying the they know X amount of people who can do "this" and "That" etc. And the Poster just happens to be standing next to someone , one night , that can do it.
Obviously strong draw , dont think there's any cheating involved however , pretty ugly stroke IMO.
If the he's truly an APA4 , then he may not be a 1 trick pony but but probably COULD use a few more tricks. I think the better practice comment is probably a good one.
Other than that , kudos to both for putting themselves out there. That's one step more than most people do in theses types of discussion.
Jay.
Few of my thoughts I guess :
Interesting that the whole point is people BSing about wild claims , saying the they know X amount of people who can do "this" and "That" etc. And the Poster just happens to be standing next to someone , one night , that can do it.
Obviously strong draw , dont think there's any cheating involved however , pretty ugly stroke IMO.
If the he's truly an APA4 , then he may not be a 1 trick pony but but probably COULD use a few more tricks.
I think the better practice comment is probably a good one.Other than that , kudos to both for putting themselves out there. That's one step more than most people do in theses types of discussion.
Jay.
My whole point was to illustrate that it is odd to start a whole thread to call out a user [okinawa77] for not having skills, and then not use your own skills to call him out. You accuse okinawa of hiding behind his name and making claims about his skills. But then you run and get your friend to show him up. IMO, this looks more like a playground scenario where a bully calls someone a name and that person runs to get their brother to stick up for them.
It's true that your friend can draw like a demon, but by your own admission he is only an APA 4. And then you state you wish you played as good as him. It's like saying "okinawa show me your draw, and since I can't do it either, here is a video of my friend." I don't think this is achieving your purpose.
Besides, IMO, those people that have "real" pool skills are on the circuit or on the road and not playing APA.
Mad props to the pickle for his stroke, but not to this thread.
-td
Peer said:
Most great players need not brag about there ability as their play shows how great they are.
td873 said:
I'm sure if Chris could video himself and knew how to put it up on YouTube, he would do this all by himself. Unfortunately, he does not. In fact, at the time when he pointed me to the thread where okinawa77 claimed he could draw two table length, Chris wasn't even a member of this forum.
In any case, you guys need to lighten up. You see, Chris being an APA 4 is just an inside joke for us who know how brilliant player he really is. Besides, smilies are for pussies.
So again -- to all you pussies -- you need to put up or shut up ;^)
-- peer
Hey, SJDinPHX, what's your real name -- Larry Guninger..?! How does it feel being so full of it? (full of envy, among other things).
Here's a freeze frame at 1:27 into the video, where I hold the cue ball next to the object ball. Neil, please tell me which one is larger.
As I said, put up or shut up.
-- peer
Actually, he was known as San Jose Dick and is a bit of an underground one pocket legend. You can watch him play Cliff Joyner 1-P on an old Accu-Stats match; I think he wins. He might have been wrong about the snooker ball thing, but he was one hell of a player.
Edit: Dick beat Joyner 4-3 at the 1998 World One Pocket Championship. You can still buy the tape on Accu-Stats
Here's a freeze frame at 1:27 into the video, where I hold the cue ball next to the object ball. Neil, please tell me which one is larger.
As I said, put up or shut up.
-- peer
Actually, he was known as San Jose Dick and is a bit of an underground one pocket legend. You can watch him play Cliff Joyner 1-P on an old Accu-Stats match; I think he wins. He might have been wrong about the snooker ball thing, but he was one hell of a player.
Edit: Dick beat Joyner 4-3 at the 1998 World One Pocket Championship. You can still buy the tape on Accu-Stats
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Peer said:
Peer,
SJDinPHX is "SanJose" Dick McMorran, one of the great players of the 1960's-1980's. Believe me, he is a very humble & soft spoken man and he was a KILLER at pool in his heyday.
Here's something that Freddy Bentivegna wrote about him over at OnePocket.org the other day....
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Nice to hear a Rogue Warriors side of things
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Dick, we never played, but I had heard about you for a long time. The first and only time I ran into you was at Grady's Legends of One Pocket tournament in Baton Rouge, LA. I do know Ronnie well and he always talked good about you. Did you ever go thru Chicago? If you did, I wasnt there because I would have remembered. You deserve serious consideration in Onepocket HOF voting next year. I'll put an x in your box.
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Peer said:
I'm going to go with the former.
I do have one question that's been puzzling me though. At Shoreline, aren't the front tables the better ones, or "feature" tables or whatever you call them? How come they handed out the 2nd tier balls for that table? (Non-Super Pros / Non-Centennials) There's probably a logical explanation, but it was just something that came to mind.
Sometimes on old ball sets, the cue ball does tend to be warn down a little. So even if it is a red circle, it could be older and smaller due to wear. At the campus pool room where I went to college, I used to use an extra stripe as a cue ball, because the actual cue balls were so old that they were super easy to draw, and harder than normal to follow.
I'm not trying to cut anyone down nor claim that it's definitely the case here, but I thought it was noteworthy. Either way, very nice draw stroke, Pickle.
Cuebacca said:
By the way, back when I first noticed that the cue ball was small, I searched the internet for answers as to why there would be this slightly smaller-than-normal cue ball in every ball set in the room, and found one of Bob Jewett's articles about that. So I should credit him for that knowledge. Thanks, Bob!
bud green said:
Bud,
AT THE AGE OF 64.....Dick beat Cliff Joyner at the 1998 World One Pocket Championship.
Accu-Stats number is 1-800-828-0397. It's tape number 1P98-02.
Most of em act and communicate just like you, the first day!!
