Enough MC talk. It's irrelevant

[watchez]

I do not believe some established pros will take direction from Mark Wilson -- or any coach for that matter -- if the coach is going to instruct them how to shoot pool.

Pomp and circumstance is whole nother topic. I'm not referring to that. I am referring to established pros taking direction from someone who isn't in their wheelhouse at the present time. There needs to be a relationship established between a coach and a team.

Again JAM - you are making the wrong interpretation of Mark Wilson being the coach of the Mosconi Cup. It is NOT to teach a pro how to play pool. That should have already been established. It is how to teach a pro to well, how to be a pro and how to be on a team.

Just because Mark's background recently is that of a biliard instructor, this notion has been incorrectly transferred by you and others as to what his role would be with the Mosconi Cup.

 

[JAM]

Again JAM - you are making the wrong interpretation of Mark Wilson being the coach of the Mosconi Cup. It is NOT to teach a pro how to play pool. That should have already been established. It is how to teach a pro to well, how to be a pro and how to be on a team.

Just because Mark's background recently is that of a biliard instructor, this notion has been incorrectly transferred by you and others as to what his role would be with the Mosconi Cup.

^^^Reply^^^

 

[watchez]

Sorry I don't watch youtube videos.

If you can't take the time to respond to me in kind, I am done trying with you.

 

[Cdryden]

Again, I never said he was not qualified. I did say that established pros may experience difficulties taking direction from someone such as Mark Wilson, who has been away from the professional tournament trail for sometime. It doesn't mean Mark Wilson cannot teach pool or coach.

I really don't know any other way I can explain it, other than to say most players who achieve a championship-like status have STRONG self-esteem, to include egos. That is actually needed for some players to go as far as they do go in competitive sports.

For a coach who hasn't been involved in *their* professional pool world for a long time to walk in and start barking directions, some of these players may find this difficult to swallow. Whereas, a young eager player with strong skills, green to the professional pool world, may gobble down every Mark Wilson nugget and want more.

Lol I was writing my last reply apparently while you were posting yours. I understand your position now. Sorry it took me so long! :smile:

But i really do feel that the current status quo isn't working. I would like to see a change. Do you really think it could turn out any worse?

 

[Cdryden]

Another thing that I feel is worth mentioning, team Europe has the same caliber of players except that they have overcame their ego, are willing to accept instruction and can work as a team to reach a common goal.

It can be done. The question now is are the US players willing to do what it takes.

 

[JAM]

Lol I was writing my last reply apparently while you were posting yours. I understand your position now. Sorry it took me so long! :smile:

But i really do feel that the current status quo isn't working. I would like to see a change. Do you really think it could turn out any worse?

For sure, I agree that something needs to change. I think most, if not all, can agree on that front.

Thank you for having an open mind and sharing your thoughts. I can definitely see where you are coming from.

Hopefully, the powers-that-be will also have an open mind, like you, and come with the best solution. It works much better that way than saying it's "my way or the highway" kind of dialogue.

Of course, in the end, it doesn't matter what any of us think, since the decision-making entity will be Barry Hearn. His advisors, hopefully, are open-minded to suggestions for change.

 

[Cdryden]

For sure, I agree that something needs to change. I think most, if not all, can agree on that front.

Thank you for having an open mind and sharing your thoughts. I can definitely see where you are coming from.

Hopefully, the powers-that-be will also have an open mind, like you, and come with the best solution. It works much better that way than saying it's "my way or the highway" kind of dialogue.

Of course, in the end, it doesn't matter what any of us think, since the decision-making entity will be Barry Hearn. His advisors, hopefully, are open-minded to suggestions for change.

I agree, I hope our team can bring home the cup next year with honor and their heads held high.

 

[watchez]

What was the last pro tournament that CJ Wiley played in before he was captain? How about Buddy Hall?

 

[alstl]

All this talk about the MC, what we really should be focusing on is American players who can win World Championship titles. At the end of the day, the MC is merely an exhibition for entertainment. The world titles are what really matter. Discuss.

Problem solved. All we need to do is focus on American players who can win World Championship titles. Without a viable way to make a living in the sport I'd like to see the plans of how we get the numbers of young people involved in the sport needed.

 

[JAM]

I agree, I hope our team can bring home the cup next year with honor and their heads held high.

It's amazing how much an almighty win will garner high praises. :grin-square:

With only three pro-caliber tourneys -- (if I can even call them that) -- this year, it doesn't look good for the American pros. In this regard, Matchroom Sport may strongly consider including all of North America next year, i.e., Canada, to even up the odds. After all, USA is competing against all of Europe.

This puts an entirely different strategy on the Mosconi Cup preparation.

 

[Johnnyt]

For those on here that feel Mark Wilson wouldn't be a good "fit" with the top pro players that USE to go to the MC, who do you think would be a good fit with them? Johnnyt

 

[bdorman]

Ditka.


'nuff said.

 

[Lucky_Lew66]

I agree with Jam,no disrespect meant to Mark Wilson,he may be a great teacher of the game ,but what titles has he ever won. A lot of the stuff he teaches is just basic stuff that we have all known for years,and sometimes we need to go back to the basics because we develope bad habits,playing tired in a tournament of practicing badly. I think a team captain needs to be an accomplished pro like Archer,who has played under pressure in big events and knows what it takes to get there. I dont think he is going to be teaching these guys during or in between their matches during the Mosconi Cup,thats the wrong time to be trying something new. Now to go to their practice sessions and maybe see if he can tweek their fundamentals before hand may be ok. Again like Jam says if he has no titles behind his name,the players might tend to blow him off even then. On another note about competing overseas, what would be wrong with some of the american players living over there for a while to get some international exposure and to be there for some of the bigger events. I wouldnt be real crazy about living overseas but if they are going to make a living playing pool then that might be the ticket,or maybe several of them ban together and pool their monies and live over there before the bigger events.

 

[Cdryden]

I agree with Jam,no disrespect meant to Mark Wilson,he may be a great teacher of the game ,but what titles has he ever won. A lot of the stuff he teaches is just basic stuff that we have all known for years,and sometimes we need to go back to the basics because we develope bad habits,playing tired in a tournament of practicing badly. I think a team captain needs to be an accomplished pro like Archer,who has played under pressure in big events and knows what it takes to get there. I dont think he is going to be teaching these guys during or in between their matches during the Mosconi Cup,thats the wrong time to be trying something new. Now to go to their practice sessions and maybe see if he can tweek their fundamentals before hand may be ok. Again like Jam says if he has no titles behind his name,the players might tend to blow him off even then. On another note about competing overseas, what would be wrong with some of the american players living over there for a while to get some international exposure and to be there for some of the bigger events. I wouldnt be real crazy about living overseas but if they are going to make a living playing pool then that might be the ticket,or maybe several of them ban together and pool their monies and live over there before the bigger events.

:banghead:....:speechless:.......:thud:

How about Sean Foley, Dave Duncan or Joe Martin?

 

[HawaiianEye]

On another note about competing overseas, what would be wrong with some of the american players living over there for a while to get some international exposure and to be there for some of the bigger events. I wouldnt be real crazy about living overseas but if they are going to make a living playing pool then that might be the ticket,or maybe several of them ban together and pool their monies and live over there before the bigger events.

If they CAN'T afford to go across a few states to enter a tournament, where are they going to get the money to live overseas to concentrate on LEARNING and getting SEASONED in pool?

I lived in the Philippines for 3 years and it is VERY cheap...compared to numerous countries thoroughout the world. However, I had a JOB at the time and wasn't reliant on pool as a "needed" source of income. I made as much money shooting pool off-duty as I did working full-time, but that was MANY years ago when pool flourished and there were gamblers and money to be had. You DIDN'T have to be the world champion to win money there, but you had to know your game and match up accordingly.

I don't mean to single-out or criticize the Philippines, because hijinks and crookery exist in every country and culture on the planet, but I would warn ANYONE who goes there to attempt that endeavor actually KNOW and TRUST whoever their SPONSOR is there. ANYBODY who has EVER went there or lived there for ANY amount of time will KNOW what I am talking about.

You can go over there and be the "Lone Ranger", but having trusted friends there makes it MUCH easier and safer.

Aloha.

 

[watchez]

I agree with Jam,no disrespect meant to Mark Wilson,he may be a great teacher of the game ,but what titles has he ever won. A lot of the stuff he teaches is just basic stuff that we have all known for years,and sometimes we need to go back to the basics because we develope bad habits,playing tired in a tournament of practicing badly. I think a team captain needs to be an accomplished pro like Archer,who has played under pressure in big events and knows what it takes to get there. I dont think he is going to be teaching these guys during or in between their matches during the Mosconi Cup,thats the wrong time to be trying something new. Now to go to their practice sessions and maybe see if he can tweek their fundamentals before hand may be ok. Again like Jam says if he has no titles behind his name,the players might tend to blow him off even then.

When and where did you have your lessons with Mark Wilson? (even though AGAIN - Mark's role would not be to teach a pro how to play pool. Only JAM has inferred that role and people like you are believing it.

How did the Mosconi Cup team do listening to Buddy Hall and Johnny Archer?

After you honestly answer those questions, we can listen to the rest of what you have to say.

 

[JAM]

When and where did you have your lessons with Mark Wilson? (even though AGAIN - Mark's role would not be to teach a pro how to play pool. Only JAM has inferred that role and people like you are believing it.

How did the Mosconi Cup team do listening to Buddy Hall and Johnny Archer?

After you honestly answer those questions, we can listen to the rest of what you have to say.

You know, Steve, I have deliberately not replied to most of your posts this morning, because I don't want to engage in a negative back-and-forth with you about your friend, Mark Wilson. I have never said anything bad about him. In fact, I created a thread a week or so ago about him and added quite a bit of data, photos, about his accomplishments in pool for all members of this forum to explore. It is evident that you are passionate about Mark Wilson and want to promote him to be the coach of the 2014 Mosconi Cup. There is nothing wrong with that.

Please refrain from stating I have inferred anything about Mark Wilson providing instructional assistance to American professional pool players. I never said that.

 

[JAM]

Again JAM - you are making the wrong interpretation of Mark Wilson being the coach of the Mosconi Cup. It is NOT to teach a pro how to play pool. That should have already been established. It is how to teach a pro to well, how to be a pro and how to be on a team.

Just because Mark's background recently is that of a biliard instructor, this notion has been incorrectly transferred by you and others as to what his role would be with the Mosconi Cup.

For your review ---> JAM's Thread Entitled "Mark Wilson: Billiard Coach."

 

[JAM]

I agree with Jam,no disrespect meant to Mark Wilson,he may be a great teacher of the game ,but what titles has he ever won. A lot of the stuff he teaches is just basic stuff that we have all known for years,and sometimes we need to go back to the basics because we develope bad habits,playing tired in a tournament of practicing badly. I think a team captain needs to be an accomplished pro like Archer,who has played under pressure in big events and knows what it takes to get there. I dont think he is going to be teaching these guys during or in between their matches during the Mosconi Cup,thats the wrong time to be trying something new. Now to go to their practice sessions and maybe see if he can tweek their fundamentals before hand may be ok. Again like Jam says if he has no titles behind his name,the players might tend to blow him off even then. On another note about competing overseas, what would be wrong with some of the american players living over there for a while to get some international exposure and to be there for some of the bigger events. I wouldnt be real crazy about living overseas but if they are going to make a living playing pool then that might be the ticket,or maybe several of them ban together and pool their monies and live over there before the bigger events.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The not-having-titles thing is not a biggie, I don't think, but the fact that he is not current in today's professional pool world is a concern that I was trying to share.

There are many Mark Wilson friends and supporters on this website, and, of course, they are going to defend their friend if they believe what is written about him is derogatory.

That's not my intention at all in sharing my thoughts about a future coach for the Mosconi Cup, though it seems that it is interpreted that way by Mark Wilson's friends and supporters. They are wrong to believe that.

The irony of this whole thread is its title and then the ensuing colloquy thereafter.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The not-having-titles thing is not a biggie, I don't think, but the fact that he is not current in today's professional pool world is a concern that I was trying to share.

There are many Mark Wilson friends and supporters on this website, and, of course, they are going to defend their friend if they believe what is written about him is derogatory.

That's not my intention at all in sharing my thoughts about a future coach for the Mosconi Cup, though it seems that it is interpreted that way by Mark Wilson's friends and supporters. They are wrong to believe that.

The irony of this whole thread is its title and then the ensuing colloquy thereafter.

Art of War. Relative to choosing a captain - May some discuss what Johann's personality and methodolgy has been? I don't know if he ever ran a rack, but he's undefeated as Cup captain.

In my conversations with him over the years - he's a stoic, disciplined, confident, highly intelligent, communicator and dedicated person. The respect he garners is undeniable. ALL of his Euro team members from what I've seen, would like to bronze him.

Maybe he will move to the US? Or let's clone him.