Everest Tips

i put an everest tip on one of my schon shafts last year & absolutey love it.

To me, it's a little harder than a moori & definately harder than a sniper & it plays about the same after you break it in. (doesn't go from soft to hard like a moori)
 
asn130 said:
i put an everest tip on one of my schon shafts last year & absolutey love it.

To me, it's a little harder than a moori & definately harder than a sniper & it plays about the same after you break it in. (doesn't go from soft to hard like a moori)
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Funny how you disagree with the company that makes the tip about its hardness...

I wish someone would send me a couple of these so called "Hard" Everests...
 
lfigueroa said:
Just got three shafts retipped with my very first Tiger Everest tips after years of using Mooris and being disappointed with them the last few years and I plan on ripping these Everest tips off as soon as I get anywhere near a decent cue mechanic -- brand new and they are delaminating like crazy.

I played with one for a few hours and had to switch to another shaft because the first tip started with a tapping noise. The second tip also started tapping. When I got home and could put on some reading glasses for a close look I could see what was going on and peeled off two layers of tip off the top that had started to separate. A few more hours of play and I had to peel off another two layers. I expect that I will lose an equal number of layers off the second shaft. Don't know about the third yet...

Lou Figueroa
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This sounds like operator error or maybe the tips were stored incorrectly, or maybe the wrong tip tool is being used. Just a guess. It's very rare in my experience, that the Everest tip delaminates. Though I don't doubt that your tips are delams as you say, the reason may not lie with the manufacturer.

av84fun said:
I am always interested in numerous posts that talk about delaminating of layered tips. I've played with a Moori Medium for at least 5 years and have never had one delaminate. I shoot the tip until it is worn WAY down.

However, I don't scuff much and when I do I use the Ultimate tip tool which doesn't have "pins" or "picks" but rather what I would call a circle with a grid of tiny "bumps": that you roll over the tip rather than tapping it.

Does the job and never a delamination problem. I've heard the rumors about a decline in Moori quality but I have never experienced it. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Regards,
Jim
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It is highly recommended that a tip pik not be used when working on a laminated tip. All that is really usually needed is a shaper & a scuffer. The previously mentioned "Ultimate Tip Tool" performs these two functions well. It's important to note that the machined area of that tool should be used to "tap" the tip, not scrape across it. Much more effective if you tap it while turning the cue.

Gene
 
lfigueroa said:
Just got three shafts retipped with my very first Tiger Everest tips after years of using Mooris and being disappointed with them the last few years and I plan on ripping these Everest tips off as soon as I get anywhere near a decent cue mechanic -- brand new and they are delaminating like crazy.

I played with one for a few hours and had to switch to another shaft because the first tip started with a tapping noise. The second tip also started tapping. When I got home and could put on some reading glasses for a close look I could see what was going on and peeled off two layers of tip off the top that had started to separate. A few more hours of play and I had to peel off another two layers. I expect that I will lose an equal number of layers off the second shaft. Don't know about the third yet...

Lou Figueroa
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That will teach me to make a product recommendation. When you get the re-tip done send me the bill and I'll take care of it.
 
Cuedog said:
This sounds like operator error or maybe the tips were stored incorrectly, or maybe the wrong tip tool is being used. Just a guess. It's very rare in my experience, that the Everest tip delaminates. Though I don't doubt that your tips are delams as you say, the reason may not lie with the manufacturer.
Gene
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I'm the installer of the tips in question. They are stored in my temperature and humidity controlled shop. My tips are also purchased directly from Tiger so I don't think that they were stored wrong there.

This is the first time I've heard of a delamination problem with the Everest tips.

I cut them with a very sharp tool and keep pressure on them with my concave live center during the cutting process. Then I burnish with a piece of leather. I wonder if the heat generated from burnishing is breaking down the glue.
 
Murray Tucker said:
I'm the installer of the tips in question. They are stored in my temperature and humidity controlled shop. My tips are also purchased directly from Tiger so I don't think that they were stored wrong there.

This is the first time I've heard of a delamination problem with the Everest tips.

I cut them with a very sharp tool and keep pressure on them with my concave live center during the cutting process. Then I burnish with a piece of leather. I wonder if the heat generated from burnishing is breaking down the glue.
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Hey Murray, I never have burnished a layered tip for fear of what may be occurring to these tips. I always just took for granted that layered tips were put together with some type of contact cement and I know that contact cement won't take much heat without becoming all rubbery. Learned that many years ago putting on Champion tips that used contact cement to hold their pads on. Anytime I burnished one I would have to take the tip off of the pad and re glue with another glue.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
Hey Murray, I never have burnished a layered tip for fear of what may be occurring to these tips. I always just took for granted that layered tips were put together with some type of contact cement and I know that contact cement won't take much heat without becoming all rubbery. Learned that many years ago putting on Champion tips that used contact cement to hold their pads on. Anytime I burnished one I would have to take the tip off of the pad and re glue with another glue.

Dick
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The heat is a concern so I try to go light. Maybe I did get a little heavy handed with it this time. I just hate to think that out of 3 tips I botched them all.
 
av84fun said:
I am always interested in numerous posts that talk about delaminating of layered tips. I've played with a Moori Medium for at least 5 years and have never had one delaminate. I shoot the tip until it is worn WAY down.

However, I don't scuff much and when I do I use the Ultimate tip tool which doesn't have "pins" or "picks" but rather what I would call a circle with a grid of tiny "bumps": that you roll over the tip rather than tapping it.

Does the job and never a delamination problem. I've heard the rumors about a decline in Moori quality but I have never experienced it. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Regards,
Jim
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The newer Mooris I've gotten would delaminate at the end of their little lives. IOW, it was the last few layers that seemed to develop problems.

These Everest tips are losing it at the top.

Also, I am an absolute minimalist when it comes to scruffing. If I need to I shape the tips a bit when new with some sandpaper and some very gentle downward motions, and that's it.

Lou Figueroa
 
Murray Tucker said:
That will teach me to make a product recommendation. When you get the re-tip done send me the bill and I'll take care of it.
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nah, it's just one of those things that happen. But thanks for the offer, Murray.

FWIW, the other thing I'm noticing is that even after removing the separating layers, I've hit a couple of big (well, big for a pool cue tip -- like maybe the size of pin heads) particles of glue, which of course, also causes tapping when hit just right.

Frankly, I think I'm going back to some non-layer type tip in the very near future :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
nah, it's just one of those things that happen. But thanks for the offer, Murray.

FWIW, the other thing I'm noticing is that even after removing the separating layers, I've hit a couple of big (well, big for a pool cue tip -- like maybe the size of pin heads) particles of glue, which of course, also causes tapping when hit just right.

Frankly, I think I'm going back to some non-layer type tip in the very near future :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Yeah, I think I may go the Henry Ford route myself. You can have any tip you want as long as you want a Triangle.
 
Thanks for the heads up cause i am shopping for a predator shaft as we speak....
Thanks again=))
 
kamui II's

try some of these shots with your tips. www.kamuibrand.com go to movie clips I like these better. And I haven't had a bad one yet since 05 when they had just mediums. No proporsity thanks mark I have over 10 hards on now, with 2 bk-h from the phillipines on two house cues,and custom Edwin Reyes.
 
Murray Tucker said:
I'm the installer of the tips in question. They are stored in my temperature and humidity controlled shop. My tips are also purchased directly from Tiger so I don't think that they were stored wrong there.

This is the first time I've heard of a delamination problem with the Everest tips.

I cut them with a very sharp tool and keep pressure on them with my concave live center during the cutting process. Then I burnish with a piece of leather. I wonder if the heat generated from burnishing is breaking down the glue.
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By the tone of your post Murray, I assume there was no offense taken. There certainly was none meant. Your method for installing these is a sound one with the exception, IMO, of one step.

I too believe that there is no reason to burnish these tips. In fact, softening the glue between the layers is a very definite concern if burnished. Where burnishing was a needed technique with the single layered tips, there are many layered tips that don't require it. The Everest tip is one of them.

To those that are looking to jump ship, the Everest tip is one of the finest mid-priced tips on the market. It's close cousin, the Sniper tip, sits up there with the best tips in the world namely Moori and Kamui.

What a great offer by Murray. His reputation is flawless and I think it's commendable that he stepped up to make this right for you.

Gene
 
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No tone intended and no offense taken. I'm not the type who thinks they know everything and am always open to learning new things.

Cuedog said:
By the tone of your post Murray, I assume there was no offense taken. There certainly was none meant. Your method for installing these is a sound one with the exception, IMO, of one step.

I too believe that there is no reason to burnish these tips. In fact, softening the glue between the layers is a very definite concern if burnished. Where burnishing was a needed technique with the single layered tips, there are many layered tips that don't require it. The Everest tip is one of them.

To those that are looking to jump ship, the Everest tip is one of the finest mid-priced tips on the market. It's close cousin, the Sniper tip, sits up there with the best tips in the world namely Moori and Kamui.

What a great offer by Murray. His reputation is flawless and I think it's commendable that he stepped up to make this right for you.

Gene
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Everest tips??... here's one... take plenty of oxygen with you for summit day... it's a b***h!!
 
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rhncue said:
Hey Murray, I never have burnished a layered tip for fear of what may be occurring to these tips. I always just took for granted that layered tips were put together with some type of contact cement and I know that contact cement won't take much heat without becoming all rubbery. Learned that many years ago putting on Champion tips that used contact cement to hold their pads on. Anytime I burnished one I would have to take the tip off of the pad and re glue with another glue.

Dick
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Just to chime in...I have used the burnishing function of the Ultimate tool for years. It does a very effective job with about 20 180 degree turns and in no way creates enough heat to do anything to the glue.

But certainly, cue techs who are not careful COULD create enough heat in the burnished process to cause the glue to loosen up so, as another posted suggested, I wonder whether any delam problems result from "operator error."

Regards,
Jim
 
I like the Everest. I think they are great. From what I understand they are made in the USA and amazingly are cheaper than the tips that are not.
 
av84fun said:
I have used the burnishing function of the Ultimate tool for years.
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Hey its your cue...but I would NEVER recommend anyone using that function of the Ultimate tool...seriously. I'd be curious to see what condition your tips & ferrules are truly in now...feel free to post some close up pics.;)
If anyone needs to burnish their tip...unless you own a lathe it very hard to beat a dab of spit and a piece of brown cardboard. The cardboard won't damage your ferrule or cause your tip to pop off.:)
 
Tiger Cue Tips Ratings

Sorry, I was away from a puter for a while.

Here is the Tiger Laminated Cue Tips hardness chart:

Sniper - Med Hard
Everest - Med
Tiger Jump/Break - Very Hard
Tiger - Soft, Med, and Hard
Dynamite - Med Hard

Sniper is often mistaken for a softer tip. Mostly due to its superior grip; however, the Sniper is harder than the Everest.
 
CrownCityCorey said:
Sorry, I was away from a puter for a while.

Here is the Tiger Laminated Cue Tips hardness chart:

Sniper - Med Hard
Everest - Med
Tiger Jump/Break - Very Hard
Tiger - Soft, Med, and Hard
Dynamite - Med Hard

Sniper is often mistaken for a softer tip. Mostly due to its superior grip; however, the Sniper is harder than the Everest.
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Well I was informed wrong & I now stand corrected. Someone should tell Mueller that they are wrong as well. If thats the offical line then fine...but my experience with both tips causes me to believe in my opinion.;)
 
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