Everyone has been paid at the US OPEN

[nb92]

You don't have a clue! If Barry could have got his hands on that money (and he tried damn hard!), it would have looked just like last year for the top finishers! If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, just maybe it is a duck!

Jay I appreciate that you believe I am clueless ( this might be demonstrated by backing you for $500 in the world series (LOL))...

BUT there was a process put in place this year and it worked from all perspectives. The money was paid, the players protected and a champ. crowned.

Now IF the process is altered next year and all the protections are not in place then yes there might be cause for concern. BUT what I see on AZ seems to be a group of folks that are VERY disappointed that the event DID NOT fail and that to me is very sad and petty.

There are axes to grind from past wrongs, I understand that but this constant drum beat of "it really didn't work" IS Bullsh*t ... IT did work because of the process put in place, as described in other posts was in place and I am sorry to say many on AZ appear to be upset by that FACT.

Next year the 39th US Open will happen... Shane will be going for 3 in a ROW... I will have VIP seats ... and I am sad you will not be there to see it...

 

[Johnnyt]

I cannot speak for anyone else, but transparency is a good and necessary thing, it ensures that people are conducting themselves and their dealings honestly and properly. When one is involved in a high profile business in a public venue he/she automatically relinquishes many of his expectations of privacy. That is just the way it is and when someone tries to prevent the truth from being discovered, it raises many an antenna.

And it just isn't a valid argument that because others are not directly involved in an incident that the incident shouldn't be made public, if that were true there would be no newspapers, books, documentaries, movies, news programs, or even discussions.....etc. If someone doesn't want the exposure, then being in the public eye may not be in their best interests, especially if they're embarrassed by their own behavior.

Respectfully.

J

Well said, and I agree with all of the above. Johnnyt

 

[Fast Lenny]

My thinking is that if things are set up the same for next year then there should be no problems and maybe players and fans will be in full support again.

 

[dom_poppa]

I didn't know dyslexia is contagious through a computer and it seems quite a few people have caught it.

What part of money in escrow and "Everyone has been paid at the US OPEN" do people not get?

I also find it hilarious that someone started a rumor and now the "truth" has to come out. These are rumors people.

Stop tearing down a successful tournament because some people wouldn't be allowed to participate.

It was quite harsh to blame a guy for being drunk when he was celebrating. It's one thing to celebrate and it's another to get drunk just for the hell of it.

 

[NYC cue dude]

I didn't know dyslexia is contagious through a computer and it seems quite a few people have caught it.

What part of money in escrow and "Everyone has been paid at the US OPEN" do people not get?

I also find it hilarious that someone started a rumor and now the "truth" has to come out. These are rumors people.

Stop tearing down a successful tournament because some people wouldn't be allowed to participate.

It was quite harsh to blame a guy for being drunk when he was celebrating. It's one thing to celebrate and it's another to get drunk just for the hell of it.

Barry, is that you?

 

[dom_poppa]

So Barry said to me, "you need to transfer that money into our account to pay the players. You can't have them paid with a check signed by Johnny Archer and Art Wiggins. Everyone will think they are paying with their money."

I said, "That's crazy. Who would think Johnny would take the money out of his pocket to pay. Just let everyone know this is the money that was escrowed in my account and that I transferred down to a joint account of Johnny and Art."

I guess Barry was right.

As I said on another thread, the initial $50,000.00 and most of the entry fees ended up in my account in Chicago to the tune of about. $120,000.00. Some of the money that Barry was going to pay to make up the $100 shortage on all of the early bird specials, was put together by Barry and Shannon and paid to the early outs in cash. We kept an eye on the payouts, made sure the early payouts were done, and then made sure there was enough of our escrowed money to pay the rest of the field. The money was transferred down to a new account opened by Johnny and his business partner, Art Wiggins to handle the payment. It was all entry fee money and added money by Barry.

Great Job by Barry and Shannon setting up the framework to make sure the money was there. Great Job by Johnny and Art keeping an eye on the numbers and making trips to the bank, all while Johnny was going deep into the tournament. :thumbup:

this.

Until next year.......

 

[Neil]

Jay I appreciate that you believe I am clueless ( this might be demonstrated by backing you for $500 in the world series (LOL))...

BUT there was a process put in place this year and it worked from all perspectives. The money was paid, the players protected and a champ. crowned.

Now IF the process is altered next year and all the protections are not in place then yes there might be cause for concern. BUT what I see on AZ seems to be a group of folks that are VERY disappointed that the event DID NOT fail and that to me is very sad and petty.

There are axes to grind from past wrongs, I understand that but this constant drum beat of "it really didn't work" IS Bullsh*t ... IT did work because of the process put in place, as described in other posts was in place and I am sorry to say many on AZ appear to be upset by that FACT.

Next year the 39th US Open will happen... Shane will be going for 3 in a ROW... I will have VIP seats ... and I am sad you will not be there to see it...

You and others keep saying it was a complete success this year just because the players got paid. Ever consider the "why's" of why Barry may or may not have threatened J.A.? Just because one group got paid, doesn't mean every group involved got paid. There's much more than just the players involved in running the open successfully.

Now, just to be perfectly clear, I have no idea what really happened. I only have speculation like almost everyone else on here. But.... IF Barry was demanding the money, it may be that he was looking at paying those involved that he can't brush off with installments over the course of a year like he has been getting away with with the players. You think it was a success. It could all be over now. Who knows?? Only time will tell for sure.

 

[The Saw]

I cannot speak for anyone else, but transparency is a good and necessary thing, it ensures that people are conducting themselves and their dealings honestly and properly. When one is involved in a high profile business in a public venue he/she automatically relinquishes many of his expectations of privacy. That is just the way it is and when someone tries to prevent the truth from being discovered, it raises many an antenna.

And it just isn't a valid argument that because others are not directly involved in an incident that the incident shouldn't be made public, if that were true there would be no newspapers, books, documentaries, movies, news programs, or even discussions.....etc. If someone doesn't want the exposure, then being in the public eye may not be in their best interests, especially if they're embarrassed by their own behavior.

Respectfully.

J

Exactly. Several here are of the mindset that its Barry's business, the players got paid, that's that. Well, its not just Barry's business, players travel from across the globe to play in this event investing their own money to do so. For most of them its a business decision where they have to way up the risk, reward and benefit. The sum of what all the foreign players pay in travel expenses, the entry fee, and lodging FAR EXCEEDS what Barry's financial stake in the tournament, not to mention what the domestic players spend....

If Barry did try to pull a move with the money, Johnny or others that were in the middle of it OWE EVERY SINGLE PLAYER that took money out of their own pocket to travel and play in Barry's tournament, they deserve to know the truth so that they can make an informed decision for next year.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

You and others keep saying it was a complete success this year just because the players got paid. Ever consider the "why's" of why Barry may or may not have threatened J.A.? Just because one group got paid, doesn't mean every group involved got paid. There's much more than just the players involved in running the open successfully.

Now, just to be perfectly clear, I have no idea what really happened. I only have speculation like almost everyone else on here. But.... IF Barry was demanding the money, it may be that he was looking at paying those involved that he can't brush off with installments over the course of a year like he has been getting away with with the players. You think it was a success. It could all be over now. Who knows?? Only time will tell for sure.

Good point! Also, don poppa keeps assuming the MECHANISM in place that afforded payment will remain in place for future US OPENS!!!

I don't see ABP or Archer looking to repeat the experience???

Kd

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[dom_poppa]

The thing that everyone is arguing about is whether the players got paid and they did. It's a tournament for players to entertain the spectators and win some money doing it. The players got paid.

We are not here to judge if the tournament was profitable or if it lost money. Just like we go to a restaurant to eat a nice dinner and we are not concerned how he pays his employees or staff.

I find it sad that people have to bring up employees that were hired to work a the tournament. If they didn't get paid that is between Barry and his staff. I'm sure the players don't care about it either. They want to get paid.

The bashing of Barry is about paying players and he paid.

Should we now bring up the fact that he doesn't pay his credit card on time, water bill and PG&E.

 

[The Renfro]

The Pro players have stated they got paid......

Roberta was with the staff and stated they got paid.....

What would be left would be the bleacher rentals, electrician and?

The venue would have been paid by room rentals and food and beverage splits.. With Barry covering shortfalls which might have happened....

I spoke to the Hotel General Manager as I was leaving and at that point they were happy with the event and he hoped we would be back in 2014......

All and all I think he will have done enough to ensure that there will be a 39th... I however think that maybe the reins need to pass completely to Shannon sooner rather than later if next years numbers don't come back up to prior year levels.....

The biggest crying I heard over the whole week was either about the rack your own and players wiring balls or from a few lower level players over the seeding of the brackets and the draw.... I looked at the brackets and can see the way it was seeded and I would have done it the same way... With almost 90 byes all of the known players were going to get byes.... A bye is a lower seed than the worst player in the field so the byes would have been extended first to the seeded players and then the remainder would have been drawn.. I know there are arguments for and against seeding but if it was going to be seeded I saw no issue with the draw....

Chris

 

[jay helfert]

Jay I appreciate that you believe I am clueless ( this might be demonstrated by backing you for $500 in the world series (LOL))...

BUT there was a process put in place this year and it worked from all perspectives. The money was paid, the players protected and a champ. crowned.

Now IF the process is altered next year and all the protections are not in place then yes there might be cause for concern. BUT what I see on AZ seems to be a group of folks that are VERY disappointed that the event DID NOT fail and that to me is very sad and petty.

There are axes to grind from past wrongs, I understand that but this constant drum beat of "it really didn't work" IS Bullsh*t ... IT did work because of the process put in place, as described in other posts was in place and I am sorry to say many on AZ appear to be upset by that FACT.

Next year the 39th US Open will happen... Shane will be going for 3 in a ROW... I will have VIP seats ... and I am sad you will not be there to see it...

I apologize for my tone with you. But I must respectfully disagree that everything went smoothly, when I KNOW it did not! I'm not talking about the past either. I'm speaking about this year! I do not want any event to fail, you're dead wrong about that. But if not for the efforts of Dennis, Johnny and Art, things may well have looked just like past years at the Open. And it wasn't all smooth sailing either, contrary to what some on here would have you believe.

I will continue to speak up on behalf of our sport and be a voice for fairness and honesty. If someone has a problem with that so be it.

 

[The Saw]

It was quite harsh to blame a guy for being drunk when he was celebrating. It's one thing to celebrate and it's another to get drunk just for the hell of it.

Call me batsh1t crazy but wouldn't it be better to wait until the tournaments over to start celebrating???

 

[poolguy4u]

Exactly. Several here are of the mindset that its Barry's business, the players got paid, that's that. Well, its not just Barry's business, players travel from across the globe to play in this event investing their own money to do so. For most of them its a business decision where they have to way up the risk, reward and benefit. The sum of what all the foreign players pay in travel expenses, the entry fee, and lodging FAR EXCEEDS what Barry's financial stake in the tournament, not to mention what the domestic players spend....

If Barry did try to pull a move with the money, Johnny or others that were in the middle of it OWE EVERY SINGLE PLAYER that took money out of their own pocket to travel and play in Barry's tournament, they deserve to know the truth so that they can make an informed decision for next year.

:lol:


Kind of risky business to travel half way around the world and think you are going to beat America's best players and take home some money.

There is no guarantee that you'll even get into the money...don't matter how far you travel.



I can't believe people are still talking about this. Some of you talk like no one ever got paid.

 

[NYC cue dude]

Exactly. Several here are of the mindset that its Barry's business, the players got paid, that's that. Well, its not just Barry's business, players travel from across the globe to play in this event investing their own money to do so. For most of them its a business decision where they have to way up the risk, reward and benefit. The sum of what all the foreign players pay in travel expenses, the entry fee, and lodging FAR EXCEEDS what Barry's financial stake in the tournament, not to mention what the domestic players spend....

If Barry did try to pull a move with the money, Johnny or others that were in the middle of it OWE EVERY SINGLE PLAYER that took money out of their own pocket to travel and play in Barry's tournament, they deserve to know the truth so that they can make an informed decision for next year.

Ding ding ding. This thread can now be closed/locked, until Johnny himself decides to address this. I can't/won't say anything more specific, but its a fact that I'm not the only one who knows the details. That means that eventually the entire truth will get out, sooner or later. Johnny should get in front of this before he's made to look foolish. Everyone will understand his motivations for trying to protect Barry, but he'll soon see that is unwise.

JOHNNY, PLEASE REVISIT THE POSITION BARRY PLACED YOU IN. HOW, IN THE END, HE COULD NOT CARE any LESS ABOUT YOUR GOOD NAME AND REPUTATION. HE WILL DO THIS AGAIN TO YOU AND POSSIBLY FOLLOW THROUGH ON HIS THREATS.

 

[Johnnyt]

Exactly. Several here are of the mindset that its Barry's business, the players got paid, that's that. Well, its not just Barry's business, players travel from across the globe to play in this event investing their own money to do so. For most of them its a business decision where they have to way up the risk, reward and benefit. The sum of what all the foreign players pay in travel expenses, the entry fee, and lodging FAR EXCEEDS what Barry's financial stake in the tournament, not to mention what the domestic players spend....

If Barry did try to pull a move with the money, Johnny or others that were in the middle of it OWE EVERY SINGLE PLAYER that took money out of their own pocket to travel and play in Barry's tournament, they deserve to know the truth so that they can make an informed decision for next year.

And don't forget all the stake horses that send players to the Open each year. They have enough to worry about with the small ROI they get to worry about getting paid somewhere down the line in drips and drabs. Johnnyt

 

[NYC cue dude]

The Pro players have stated they got paid......

Roberta was with the staff and stated they got paid.....

What would be left would be the bleacher rentals, electrician and?

The venue would have been paid by room rentals and food and beverage splits.. With Barry covering shortfalls which might have happened....

I spoke to the Hotel General Manager as I was leaving and at that point they were happy with the event and he hoped we would be back in 2014......

All and all I think he will have done enough to ensure that there will be a 39th... I however think that maybe the reins need to pass completely to Shannon sooner rather than later if next years numbers don't come back up to prior year levels.....

The biggest crying I heard over the whole week was either about the rack your own and players wiring balls or from a few lower level players over the seeding of the brackets and the draw.... I looked at the brackets and can see the way it was seeded and I would have done it the same way... With almost 90 byes all of the known players were going to get byes.... A bye is a lower seed than the worst player in the field so the byes would have been extended first to the seeded players and then the remainder would have been drawn.. I know there are arguments for and against seeding but if it was going to be seeded I saw no issue with the draw....

Chris

No one is disputing the earned money was paid out. There was something that happened before the checks were dispensed that was completely reprehensible. The money was only paid after Johnny had to spit blood and force Barry to pay. Johnny should share those events publically.

 

[The Renfro]

No one is disputing the earned money was paid out. There was something that happened before the checks were dispensed that was completely reprehensible. The money was only paid after Johnny had to spit blood and force Barry to pay. Johnny should share those events publically.

I was not privy to the back and forth between them so I cannot speak to the reasons behind a confrontation... I applaud Johnny sticking to his guns if that is what it came down to... Looking at Walsh's post it appears more to be about ego and wanting the checks to have had his name on them but there is the rub of only piecing together events from speculation and innuendo....

I can see where asking for the funds to be xferred to Barry's account could be perceived as a move but to conclude that it was going to be for a plan to stiff the players and staff again you would have to see into his intentions... most don't own a crystal ball......

I am sure at some point the complete story will surface but until then I will wait with bait on my breath.....

Chris

 

[dom_poppa]

I will play this game too:

I actually know somebody there that was working the Open and I heard differently.

Rumor has it, the tournament was a success, and many people don't know that Barry not only paid the players what they were owed, he also gave extra to the winner.

The tourney was highly successful and he decided to give more than what is owed to players out of his own pocket. 10% extra to those that were paid.

Many people can vouch for this, like other rumors, do you believe me?

 

[NYC cue dude]

I will play this game too:

I actually know somebody there that was working the Open and I heard differently.

Rumor has it, the tournament was a success, and many people don't know that Barry not only paid the players what they were owed, he also gave extra to the winner.

The tourney was highly successful and he decided to give more than what is owed to players out of his own pocket. 10% extra to those that were paid.

Many people can vouch for this, like other rumors, do you believe me?

Except Jay and I aren't anonymous posters, unlike you. In fact, we have a fairly long and respectable track record in the industry. If we aren't telling the truth (and I have had no contact with Jay on this subject) we have something to lose. You on the other hand, can post without fear of tarnishing your good name, bless you'd like to share that with us.