Everyone has been paid at the US OPEN

The Saw said:
What I was getting at is that all three events at the DCC draw way more players than the Open, so they run more players thru three tourneys in 9 days than the Open does with one tourney in 7 days. Granted, the races are, or can be, shorter and its a buy back system not double elimination but Diamond does it all without a hitch, and there is no doubt whatsoever that everyone is getting paid.... Plus, its not held in a conference style hotel.
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Point taken. Johnnyt
 
Jaden said:
I know someone who runs a 192 player nineball every year in 2!!!!! Days...Now that is crazy...

Jaden
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Yes, Mark G. but that is only rare to 7 I believe. Also the players play until the wee hours of the morning. Johnnyt
 
TX Poolnut said:
256 entry double elimination tournament would consist of 511 matches. 511 matches divided by 7 days equals 73 matches per day. At the rate of 3 hours allotted per match, that is 219 hours of pool per day. From 9AM to 9PM is 12 hours. 219 hours divided by 12 hours of tournament time per day means you would need:

19 tables running 4 matches per day (12 hours) for 7 days.

AMIRITE??? :D
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Not right. Very over-optimistic, because the matches have to happen in order. What happens in practice is that part of the bracket goes slower than the rest of the bracket, and everything ends up waiting on that slow part of the bracket. So the tournament can only go as fast as the slowest matches allow.

Also, the winners side usually finishes way before the losers side.
 
Cory in DC said:
Not right. Very over-optimistic, because the matches have to happen in order. What happens in practice is that part of the bracket goes slower than the rest of the bracket, and everything ends up waiting on that slow part of the bracket. So the tournament can only go as fast as the slowest matches allow.

Also, the winners side usually finishes way before the losers side.
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Shot clock. Johnnyt
 
CreeDo said:
Just a guess, but from the hints, it sounds like Barry was going to come up short in paying everyone.
Then johnny bailed him out by putting up some of his own money.

He had 135,000 on the flyer, and we know 50k of it was truly reserved in escrow.
The other 85,000 (gotten via entry fees)... I don't think that was held by a third party.
And then there's paying the staff, venue, etc.

I suspect he couldn't meet some of his obligations and Johnny could have openly said
"Barry has dropped the ball on the money yet again so I'm gonna pay you out of my own pocket."
Instead he just kindly told the audience that Barry had everything paid up and under control.

In any case, big Thank You to Johnny. Whatever the failings, I enjoyed the open immensely.
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So Barry said to me, "you need to transfer that money into our account to pay the players. You can't have them paid with a check signed by Johnny Archer and Art Wiggins. Everyone will think they are paying with their money."

I said, "That's crazy. Who would think Johnny would take the money out of his pocket to pay. Just let everyone know this is the money that was escrowed in my account and that I transferred down to a joint account of Johnny and Art."

I guess Barry was right.

As I said on another thread, the initial $50,000.00 and most of the entry fees ended up in my account in Chicago to the tune of about. $120,000.00. Some of the money that Barry was going to pay to make up the $100 shortage on all of the early bird specials, was put together by Barry and Shannon and paid to the early outs in cash. We kept an eye on the payouts, made sure the early payouts were done, and then made sure there was enough of our escrowed money to pay the rest of the field. The money was transferred down to a new account opened by Johnny and his business partner, Art Wiggins to handle the payment. It was all entry fee money and added money by Barry.

Great Job by Barry and Shannon setting up the framework to make sure the money was there. Great Job by Johnny and Art keeping an eye on the numbers and making trips to the bank, all while Johnny was going deep into the tournament. :thumbup:
 
dmgwalsh said:
So Barry said to me, "you need to transfer that money into our account to pay the players. You can't have them paid with a check signed by Johnny Archer and Art Wiggins. Everyone will think they are paying with their money."

I said, "That's crazy. Who would think Johnny would take the money out of his pocket to pay. Just let everyone know this is the money that was escrowed in my account and that I transferred down to a joint account of Johnny and Art."

I guess Barry was right.

As I said on another thread, the initial $50,000.00 and most of the entry fees ended up in my account in Chicago to the tune of about. $120,000.00. Some of the money that Barry was going to pay to make up the $100 shortage on all of the early bird specials, was put together by Barry and Shannon and paid to the early outs in cash. We kept an eye on the payouts, made sure the early payouts were done, and then made sure there was enough of our escrowed money to pay the rest of the field. The money was transferred down to a new account opened by Johnny and his business partner, Art Wiggins to handle the payment. It was all entry fee money and added money by Barry.

Great Job by Barry and Shannon setting up the framework to make sure the money was there. Great Job by Johnny and Art keeping an eye on the numbers and making trips to the bank, all while Johnny was going deep into the tournament. :thumbup:
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Thank you for your very helpful and kind assistance in this matter.

More importantly, thank you for posting this on the forum. There has been much speculation about the payouts, even after Johnny Archer posted that they were paid out okay.

Job well done by all, indeed, to include you. :cool:
 
dmgwalsh said:
So Barry said to me, "you need to transfer that money into our account to pay the players. You can't have them paid with a check signed by Johnny Archer and Art Wiggins. Everyone will think they are paying with their money."

I said, "That's crazy. Who would think Johnny would take the money out of his pocket to pay. Just let everyone know this is the money that was escrowed in my account and that I transferred down to a joint account of Johnny and Art."

I guess Barry was right.

As I said on another thread, the initial $50,000.00 and most of the entry fees ended up in my account in Chicago to the tune of about. $120,000.00. Some of the money that Barry was going to pay to make up the $100 shortage on all of the early bird specials, was put together by Barry and Shannon and paid to the early outs in cash. We kept an eye on the payouts, made sure the early payouts were done, and then made sure there was enough of our escrowed money to pay the rest of the field. The money was transferred down to a new account opened by Johnny and his business partner, Art Wiggins to handle the payment. It was all entry fee money and added money by Barry.

Great Job by Barry and Shannon setting up the framework to make sure the money was there. Great Job by Johnny and Art keeping an eye on the numbers and making trips to the bank, all while Johnny was going deep into the tournament. :thumbup:
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Thanks for posting this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
from WPA's site,

"Saturday, 8 June 2013
PRESS RELEASE - US Open 9-Ball Despite a few hiccups in the recent years about prize money being paid in a timely fashion, the WPA has agreed to continue its sanctioning of the US Open for 2013. Promoter of this event, Mr Barry Behrman has given written assurance that prize money for this years event will be secured prior to the commencement of the event in order to avoid delays with payments to players. It is important to note that despite some problems, there are no players who have never received their prize money. The WPA has made it clear to Mr Behrman that it cannot be associated with events that do not deliver what they advertise. WPA President, Ian Anderson, said "the WPA is happy to continue its association with an event that has the history of the US Open, and one where the promoter works so diligently to make it an outstanding success. We are grateful for the hard work that Mr. Behrman and his daughter Shannon contribute to maintain their tournament as the highest profile event in the USA. This will be the 38th consecutive year that the event has been held, quite an achievement". "

http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp?id=17&pagetype=news_details&newsid=114
 
So, to recap:

- The 38th US Open 9 Ball Championship was just played in Chesapeake, VA.

- There was drinking.

- There was singing.

- There were speeches

- It was won by Shane.

- The prize money that was supposed to be escrowed was, in fact, escrowed.

- Through a fine collaboration between Barry & Shannon Behrman, Johnny Archer, Atty. Walsh, and Art Wiggins, all prize monies won were paid out and funds are in place ensuring all checks will clear.

- Can't wait until #39. :cool: :smile:

Now what can we b1tch about? :confused: :p

best,
brian kc
 
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The word "escrow" is being thrown around very loosely, but it doesn't appear that too many actually understand it's meaning and legal requirements. In order for it to be a legal "escrow" it would have had to conform to Virginia "escrow" law; there would have to had been a valid escrow agreement, agent, and account.

Huey, Louie, or Dewey would not have been able to jump in at the last moment and sign "checks". Amateur Hour at the possible expense of the players.

Just sayin' for the record.

J
 
jimmyg said:
The word "escrow" is being thrown around very loosely, but it doesn't appear that too many actually understand it's meaning and legal requirements. In order for it to be a legal "escrow" it would have had to conform to Virginia "escrow" law; there would have to had been a valid escrow agreement, agent, and account.

Huey, Louie, or Dewey would not have been able to jump in at the last moment and sign "checks". Amateur Hour at the possible expense of the players.

Just sayin' for the record.

J
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I don't practice Virginia Law. I am licensed in Illinois. The money was deposited in my Trust Account to be released under certain conditions.

Just Saying. :rolleyes:

And actually, I am going to quit saying and let this thread devolve into whatever it wants to.
 
dmgwalsh said:
I don't practice Virginia Law. I am licensed in Illinois. The money was deposited in my Trust Account to be released under certain conditions.

Just Saying. :rolleyes:

And actually, I am going to quit saying and let this thread devolve into whatever it wants to.
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You said what was needed to be said. And it is appreciated.
 
dmgwalsh said:
I don't practice Virginia Law. I am licensed in Illinois. The money was deposited in my Trust Account to be released under certain conditions.

Just Saying. :rolleyes:

And actually, I am going to quit saying and let this thread devolve into whatever it wants to.
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Thank you, I appreciate your response.

Because this is usually treated as confidential and privileged information I will completely understand if you cannot, or will not, respond publicly. But since it is being openly discussed on a public forum and in order to put some of these questions to rest permanently, can you state whether all of the funds necessary to make full payments to all of the players was held in your "Trust Account", or whether it was only the "added" monies? Also curious whether you were present at the location to personally release the funds, or others were preauthorized to do so?

J
 
dmgwalsh said:
So Barry said to me, "you need to transfer that money into our account to pay the players. You can't have them paid with a check signed by Johnny Archer and Art Wiggins. Everyone will think they are paying with their money."

I said, "That's crazy. Who would think Johnny would take the money out of his pocket to pay. Just let everyone know this is the money that was escrowed in my account and that I transferred down to a joint account of Johnny and Art."

I guess Barry was right.

As I said on another thread, the initial $50,000.00 and most of the entry fees ended up in my account in Chicago to the tune of about. $120,000.00. Some of the money that Barry was going to pay to make up the $100 shortage on all of the early bird specials, was put together by Barry and Shannon and paid to the early outs in cash. We kept an eye on the payouts, made sure the early payouts were done, and then made sure there was enough of our escrowed money to pay the rest of the field. The money was transferred down to a new account opened by Johnny and his business partner, Art Wiggins to handle the payment. It was all entry fee money and added money by Barry.

Great Job by Barry and Shannon setting up the framework to make sure the money was there. Great Job by Johnny and Art keeping an eye on the numbers and making trips to the bank, all while Johnny was going deep into the tournament. :thumbup:
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First... Thank you for this POST...

Second WTF is the "issue" that "only if we knew.. blah blah blah.." sounds like some made up bunch of crap to me...

I say it is BS and will continue to call BS ... some just love to stir the sh*t pot... Love it... live in it.. and frankly smell like it!

Thanks to everyone who got the job done... I look forward to next year... hope to see YOU there :thumbup:
 
nb92 said:
Originally Posted by dmgwalsh View Post
So Barry said to me, "you need to transfer that money into our account to pay the players. You can't have them paid with a check signed by Johnny Archer and Art Wiggins. Everyone will think they are paying with their money."

I said, "That's crazy. Who would think Johnny would take the money out of his pocket to pay. Just let everyone know this is the money that was escrowed in my account and that I transferred down to a joint account of Johnny and Art."

I guess Barry was right.

As I said on another thread, the initial $50,000.00 and most of the entry fees ended up in my account in Chicago to the tune of about. $120,000.00. Some of the money that Barry was going to pay to make up the $100 shortage on all of the early bird specials, was put together by Barry and Shannon and paid to the early outs in cash. We kept an eye on the payouts, made sure the early payouts were done, and then made sure there was enough of our escrowed money to pay the rest of the field. The money was transferred down to a new account opened by Johnny and his business partner, Art Wiggins to handle the payment. It was all entry fee money and added money by Barry.

Great Job by Barry and Shannon setting up the framework to make sure the money was there. Great Job by Johnny and Art keeping an eye on the numbers and making trips to the bank, all while Johnny was going deep into the tournament.
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Thanks for re-posting that.

J
 
It's all sad, that this dog and pony show had to be in place so the
owner of this event paid their winners on time.
 
Dennis, thanks for clearing it up!

My (apparently wrong) guess was based on the broad hints made by NYC Cue Dude that something
scandalous happened prior to the payouts, and Johnny Archer saved the day.

So now I'm left wondering, was THIS what all the ominous, dramatic hints were about?

The fact that, due to some planning issue, Johnny had to open a bank account nearby and then arrange to
transfer the escrowed funds?
THAT'S the big scandal that, if revealed, would cause "zero" people to ever play in the US Open again?

What's the big deal?!
 
Great Job by Barry and Shannon setting up the framework to make sure

dmgwalsh said:
So Barry said to me, "you need to transfer that money into our account to pay the players. You can't have them paid with a check signed by Johnny Archer and Art Wiggins. Everyone will think they are paying with their money."

I said, "That's crazy. Who would think Johnny would take the money out of his pocket to pay. Just let everyone know this is the money that was escrowed in my account and that I transferred down to a joint account of Johnny and Art."

I guess Barry was right.

As I said on another thread, the initial $50,000.00 and most of the entry fees ended up in my account in Chicago to the tune of about. $120,000.00. Some of the money that Barry was going to pay to make up the $100 shortage on all of the early bird specials, was put together by Barry and Shannon and paid to the early outs in cash. We kept an eye on the payouts, made sure the early payouts were done, and then made sure there was enough of our escrowed money to pay the rest of the field. The money was transferred down to a new account opened by Johnny and his business partner, Art Wiggins to handle the payment. It was all entry fee money and added money by Barry.

Great Job by Barry and Shannon setting up the framework to make sure the money was there. Great Job by Johnny and Art keeping an eye on the numbers and making trips to the bank, all while Johnny was going deep into the tournament. :thumbup:
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And thank you, Dennis, for being a credible voice of reason. We need to snip these rumors and create concise communication.....this is a great "sample example". Aloha

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Think how much easier this would have been if the process had been communicated from the git-go. No gnashing of teeth by players, fans and sponsors.

Many thanks to those who worked so hard to make this work...but it didn't need to be so hard.
 
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