Eye Pattern Before Shooting
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No, you were very clear. I have to disagree that a consistent routine, including a consistent PEP, won't help a player improve, regardless of skill level.
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Will do Doug! Kind of far away at the moment...in CA.
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..and we'll have to agree to disagree. Your way is "old school". Our way is "new school", based on the science of how the brain works most efficiently with the eyes and body.
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My impression of the Quite Eye Study was that it is still a back and forth motion. The difference was the length of time in which the player focused on each object. Better player's eyes moved less frequently between each target and focused for longer periods of time.
Example would be two seconds object ball. Two seconds cue ball. Two seconds object ball. Pull trigger.
You're not wrong nine_ball6970,,,The difference is that the 2 second focus on each ball (CB first, OB next) happens after aiming is complete, but before the warm up cycle. What happens next is a short pause at the CB, to move your eyes to the OB, then then a smooth backswing, with some kind of pause at the back, and a smooth forward accelerated stroke, with your eyes on the OB (for most shots). :thumbup:
The 2 second focus is designed as a training regimen, not necessarily as a playing routine. If the focus stays on each ball for 1/2 to a whole second, while playing under the pressure of competition, that will likely be sufficient to provide the necessary visual information to the brain, and allow the brain to "green light" the shot.
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The 2 second focus is designed as a training regimen, not necessarily as a playing routine. If the focus stays on each ball for 1/2 to a whole second, while playing under the pressure of competition, that will likely be sufficient to provide the necessary visual information to the brain, and allow the brain to "green light" the shot.
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Can you explain what benefit you think there is to controlling the cueball more precisely for position on the next shot when it comes to practicing the quiet eye technique?
This is about the biggest crock I have ever heard. And this is NOT a jab at Scott because a lot of people and instructors teach this ridiculous concept.
I was shooting an easy shot the other night and as I shot I was looking over at my old 1992 Sanyo 25 inch TV. It was to my left about 45 degrees. My cue went right through the target and I made the shot. My cue did not move towards my old 1992 25 inch Sanyo TV. Which, according to so many, it should have if the cue goes where the eyes go. But, of course, it didn't.
As our old buddy ENGLISH! would say.....oh, nevermind. If people are gullible enough to believe this garbage they can go and vote for Hillary.
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There's an extensive body of research on the "quiet eye" approach that Scott Lee is talking about. You should check it out. I wouldn't say it conclusively proves that you need to shoot pool in some particular way, but I'd put a little bit more stock in it than your "one day I was in my basement" story.
never really thought about the eye pattern routine so I went to the table to see what I do.
before getting down i determine where i want to hit the cue and where to aim. when i get down i look at the cue position relative to the cue ball. then i look at the object ball and stroke the cue back and forth seeing the cue moving with my peripheral vision. my eyes go back and forth until i feel i am locked then i look at the object ball and fire.
One thing I noticed since concentrating more on the cue ball and not the object ball during the stroke is that I have less tendency to move my arm in or out while stroking. This appears to happen as my mind thinks I am off so it tries to adjust. I am sure we all know this feeling and it does not in anyway correlate to me making the ball more. I typically miss it when I have this feeling mid stroke. Whether that is because I am not allowing the adjustment or I am over adjusting I don't know.
In practice, just to make sure I am coming into the cue ball with a good aim line to begin with, I will get my line and get down on the cue but quickly close my eyes with no adjustments. Practice stroke a couple times and shoot.
In practice, just to make sure I am coming into the cue ball with a good aim line to begin with, I will get my line and get down on the cue but quickly close my eyes with no adjustments. Practice stroke a couple times and shoot.
Nobody can control the CB. All we can control is the cuestick. A consistent PEP helps the eyes and brain to achieve a higher degree of accuracy, moving the cuestick through the CB.
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Scott, what's the "PEP" you're referring to?
But more than accuracy is needed for cueball control (we can't control the cueball directly, of course, but obviously we can do so indirectly in how we execute the shot, otherwise there would be no such thing as playing position).
When I attempt to pocket a ball and also play position on the same shot, I not only have to be accurate in where my cueball contacts the object ball (and in where my tip contacts the cueball), but I also have to execute the shot in terms of the many other factors involved in controlling the cueball in order to get position for the next shot.
So, my question is, does the quiet eye technique help with those other factors as well, and if so, how?
if you dont make the ball (because of NON QUIET EYES)
you can say "I GOT SHAPE"..::rotflmao1:
Would like to see Scott doing the demo on this PEP (personal eye pattern)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYTyG00dhLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYTyG00dhLg
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This is one of those things that you should probably not consciously think about, no matter what the studies say works best.
Besides, it's not just cue ball + object ball, you have your cue and the pocket to check too. Your eyes will do what they have to for your brain to work out the spacial relationships for all these objects, and depending, it could be a lot, it could be very little. I just don't see eye movement being part of PSR, because different shots require special consideration. When you have to back cut into a blind pocket, kick or bank, your eyes are also soaking in other reference points. Especially when you're hitting with sidespin on a longer shot, you're going to need to repeatedly check your tip, the edge of the CB, imagine the swerve. Every shot is going to require a different level of calculation and different reference points.
When I'm having a good day I hardly look at the CB, and when the pocket I'm going into isn't in the same line of sight as the object ball, I have no problem just relying on my peripheral vision to make the final aim adjustments. When I'm not having a good day or I've been playing for too many hours straight or I'm hungover or whatever, I end up having to focus extra hard to look at contact points on balls, to draw the path the ball is going to take, second guessing. Once you have to consciously tell yourself what to look at it's over you might as well pack it in and go home.
Because the thing is, your ability to judge spacial relationships and even your depth perception can be greatly affected by fatigue, blood sugar levels, and just natural fluctuations in your body throughout the day. If you try to turn these mostly subconscious and highly variable considerations into a routine you're going to just frustrate the living piss out of yourself.
Besides, it's not just cue ball + object ball, you have your cue and the pocket to check too. Your eyes will do what they have to for your brain to work out the spacial relationships for all these objects, and depending, it could be a lot, it could be very little. I just don't see eye movement being part of PSR, because different shots require special consideration. When you have to back cut into a blind pocket, kick or bank, your eyes are also soaking in other reference points. Especially when you're hitting with sidespin on a longer shot, you're going to need to repeatedly check your tip, the edge of the CB, imagine the swerve. Every shot is going to require a different level of calculation and different reference points.
When I'm having a good day I hardly look at the CB, and when the pocket I'm going into isn't in the same line of sight as the object ball, I have no problem just relying on my peripheral vision to make the final aim adjustments. When I'm not having a good day or I've been playing for too many hours straight or I'm hungover or whatever, I end up having to focus extra hard to look at contact points on balls, to draw the path the ball is going to take, second guessing. Once you have to consciously tell yourself what to look at it's over you might as well pack it in and go home.
Because the thing is, your ability to judge spacial relationships and even your depth perception can be greatly affected by fatigue, blood sugar levels, and just natural fluctuations in your body throughout the day. If you try to turn these mostly subconscious and highly variable considerations into a routine you're going to just frustrate the living piss out of yourself.
His aim strokes are not the same quantity but the pattern is same.
Mine are too basically
I even do this standing up and away from the table when I'm lining up
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