Fair Way To Pick Mosconi Cup Team

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I think that since it is the BCA/Matchroom’s picking the players from the ratings it should only be based on US tournaments and Mosconi Cup money shouldn’t count in any year torward the next year’s ratings. I’m not saying that the players that on the cup team didn’t deserve to be there this year, IMO I believe the four that got there-by-there ratings did belong. Let’s face it, all four are sponsored and can go play all over the world to collect points, where good players w/o sponsorship can’t. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I think that since it is the BCA/Matchroom’s picking the players from the ratings it should only be based on US tournaments....

...are sponsored and can go play all over the world to collect points, where good players w/o sponsorship can’t. Johnnyt
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I agree with these good points you make.
 
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If it was so important to make sure only the very best players are picked... why the 'fan pick'?

Ranked players should be considered, yes I agree, but why only the top Americans? Why can't it be the top players from the top tournaments in the USA?

That might eliminate the strong Euro team that gets all the great matchups in the USA.

Only TOP Euro players that don't play in the USA should be considered.
IMO that is having it too good at both ends of the pie.
 
But....

If the players are "Good" enough......sponsors will find them.

The best players in the world get sponsored.... they just have to show it.
 
I made a post about this in another thread.

There should be a series of qualifying tournaments that is open to all players. The top 5 players in points are the team. This could open it up to players like Mills, Duchene, Brumback and etc. There are many great local players other than the top name pros.

The US Hockey team proved that back in 80's when they won the gold.

The Derby could be one of the tournaments
 
Define sponsored please... Pretty sure Predator tossing someone a cue isn't going to get them to any of the WPA "WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS"... Shane and Allison both get decent money from Cutec heard 50k a year but no real clue... The Euro's and Asian's have other deals, govt funds and private sponsors....

Heard a top 20 player once tell a cuemaker it would be a cue of his choice + 2500 if he was going to be a player rep... Now either he was selling himself short or someone needs to come up with a list of who the sponsors are and how much should be expected for a player to be a player representative......
 
Johnnyt said:
I think that since it is the BCA/Matchroom’s picking the players from the ratings it should only be based on US tournaments and Mosconi Cup money shouldn’t count in any year torward the next year’s ratings. I’m not saying that the players that on the cup team didn’t deserve to be there this year, IMO I believe the four that got there-by-there ratings did belong. Let’s face it, all four are sponsored and can go play all over the world to collect points, where good players w/o sponsorship can’t. Johnnyt
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I think they should play on the bar box and the teams should be picked based on vCash points. JohnnyT, your'e in!!!
 
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The 4 that got there by their ratings ? ? ?

Johnnyt said:
I think that since it is the BCA/Matchroom’s picking the players from the ratings it should only be based on US tournaments and Mosconi Cup money shouldn’t count in any year torward the next year’s ratings. I’m not saying that the players that on the cup team didn’t deserve to be there this year, IMO I believe the four that got there-by-there ratings did belong. Let’s face it, all four are sponsored and can go play all over the world to collect points, where good players w/o sponsorship can’t. Johnnyt
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Are you trying to imply that the only person who didn't have a losing record on the 2010 Mosconi Cup USA Team, and the person who was named MVP and probably had a lot to do with Team USA winning the 2009 Mosconi Cup shouldn't have been on the team ??? Well that being said the person I'm talking about or should I say persons are one in the same person, and his name is Dennis Hatch. Let me say if i may that I am a proud American, and in any year, at any venue, and against any team. I would be proud and honored to have anyone with the talent ,fire, and intensity that Dennis Hatch brings and displays to represent the United States. THERE'S NO ONE THAT IS GLAD TO SEE THEIR NEXT MATCH IS AGAINST DENNIS. NO ONE !!! Thank You, Hal
 
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Or better yet, since it's Matchrooms event, how about we just let them pick whoever they please?

Its the most exciting event of the year, the most drama, and has the best TV coverage (by 100 fold). Seems to me they do a pretty damn good job as is.
 
It can't be based purely on tournaments, need to have some discretionary selection

Remember, it's about best players, but also tv friendly players and fan known players

You don't want 5 unknown players who happen to have had a good year
 
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nathandumoulin said:
Or better yet, since it's Matchrooms event, how about we just let them pick whoever they please?

Its the most exciting event of the year, the most drama, and has the best TV coverage (by 100 fold). Seems to me they do a pretty damn good job as is.
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For example last year people in Europe were allowed to vote for the 5th man on the US team, this should not happen in a match up between Team Europe and Team USA . Also one more example for improvement or in this instance you might also say fairness or a level playing field.On day one of this years cup the people who payed for tickets came in and settled in for what they were hoping to be 4 great matches, all of a sudden in the middle of the third match it was decided there would be no 4th match. As a spectator I would feel short changed,however much worse than that as a player on Team USA ,who came out and lost the first match then tuned things around and won the next 2 matches and had the momentum in their sails to be told there would be no 4th match seems highly unfair. To have to settle for a 2-1 lead when there was a great chance that the first night could have ended with Team USA leading 3 to 1 and all the pressure would have been on the backsof theTeam Europe players since they had just lost 2 in a row and had just lost last year, I will tell you what if I didn't want the US team to win I would have changed the format and stopped the event after 3 matches myself. TOTALLY UNFAIR imho In others words if there are supposed to be 4 matches there should be 4 in all fairness. Thanks for listening.:thumbup:
 
itsfroze said:
For example last year people in Europe were allowed to vote for the 5th man on the US team, this should not happen in a match up between Team Europe and Team USA . Also one more example for improvement or in this instance you might also say fairness or a level playing field.On day one of this years cup the people who payed for tickets came in and settled in for what they were hoping to be 4 great matches, all of a sudden in the middle of the third match it was decided there would be no 4th match. As a spectator I would feel short changed,however much worse than that as a player on Team USA ,who came out and lost the first match then tuned things around and won the next 2 matches and had the momentum in their sails to be told there would be no 4th match seems highly unfair. To have to settle for a 2-1 lead when there was a great chance that the first night could have ended with Team USA leading 3 to 1 and all the pressure would have been on the backsof theTeam Europe players since they had just lost 2 in a row and had just lost last year, I will tell you what if I didn't want the US team to win I would have changed the format and stopped the event after 3 matches myself. TOTALLY UNFAIR imho In others words if there are supposed to be 4 matches there should be 4 in all fairness. Thanks for listening.:thumbup:
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So what then? You're suggesting they play out the 4th match, in turn making the 5 US players and a few hundred spectators happy ...at the expense of no longer showing the match live to millions of Sky Sports viewers?

Live production is, well, live. You have a time slot, you fill it. You can't just go randomly adding an extra hour in, especially when productions costs are several hundred thousand dollars per day.

The logical solution is to move the 4th match to the following day, and adjust from there. Which is exactly what they did.
 
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So what then? You're suggesting they play out the 4th match, in turn making the 5 US players and a few hundred spectators happy ...at the expense of no longer showing the match live to millions of Sky Sports viewers?

Live production is, well, live. You have a time slot, you fill it. You can't just go randomly adding an extra hour in, especially when productions costs are several hundred thousand dollars per day.

The logical solution is to move the 4th match to the following day, and adjust from there. Which is exactly what they did.
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You were there so I guess that you have more info than I do didn't know that was the reason thank you for letting me know. that being the case I do agree with said decision.
 
itsfroze said:
You were there so I guess that you have more info than I do didn't know that was the reason thank you for letting me know. that being the case I do agree with said decision.
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Clearly compromises much mad and theres no perfect solution. I was just offering my opinion, which in this case, happens to be the same as Matchrooms. You're entitled to yours, even if I disagreed with it. :)
 
Many valid points here, but it's Matchroom's Tournament and they will decide how and why they pick the players they do for each team.

They will pick who they want and to some degree that will be led by who they think will bring in the most money via ratings and sponsorship etc.
 
Desmondp said:
It can't be based purely on tournaments, need to have some discretionary selection

Remember, it's about best players, but also tv friendly players and fan known players

You don't want 5 unknown players who happen to have had a good year
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......."5 unknown players who happen to have a good year" That's just about impossible, for 5 unknown players to all have a good year and then be selected. For two reasons....

1. Not enough elite tournaments available in a year's time for 5 different people to dominate all of them. Winning 1-2 or even 3 tournaments is by no means domination.

2. I seriously doubt that there are any "unknown" players who CAN dominate the major tournaments being held today. Even the established top tier elite players such as SVB, John Schmidt, Shannon Daulton, Earl Strickland, Johnny Archer, etc have a hard time winning more than a few tournaments every year. The pecking order is too deep with too many top shelf players.

In my opinion, I would want the 5 best (hottest) players that would be available for the USA team.

I don't understand what the term "TV friendly" means? Earl Strickland is for sure TV friendly, as is Jasmin Ouschan. But for two different reasons.
One has volcanic emotions and world class skill while the other has inordinate beauty and world class skill. Both have huge fan bases.
 
The bottom line is they put up the prize money and they decide how to pick the players. There's nothing unfair about it, it's just they way it is in life.
 
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