Famous 3-Cushion world record run.

BasementDweller said:
Out of curiosity I tried to predict his shots during the run. I paused it before each shot for no more than 10 seconds. I guessed 16 shots correctly. So 16 out of 29. Not bad for a pool player.

One thing about this run that jumped out at me and I don't really understand the game that well, but it seems like he never really had the balls under control. This run looked really difficult as he never managed to get a ball close to a corner where he could then get several scores. Maybe I'm clueless. I'd be interested to know if I'm way off base.
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I would say 16 out of 29 is not bad for a pool player. I don't play 3-cushion and I don't know the game that well, but trying to control the balls seems almost impossible. It's very difficult to even get one score. I've only played the game a few times in my life. I think my best package was six or something like that. A lot harder than you think. I will let the experts chime in
 
BasementDweller said:
Out of curiosity I tried to predict his shots during the run. I paused it before each shot for no more than 10 seconds. I guessed 16 shots correctly. So 16 out of 29. Not bad for a pool player.

One thing about this run that jumped out at me and I don't really understand the game that well, but it seems like he never really had the balls under control. This run looked really difficult as he never managed to get a ball close to a corner where he could then get several scores. Maybe I'm clueless. I'd be interested to know if I'm way off base.

***Referring to Caudron's run here***
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I liked the perfect threes. 22(?) of 'em. Most were long exits straight at the ball; no help from the available rails. That was some textbook artistry there. The other guy winning doesn't hold a candle.
 
jason said:
I would say 16 out of 29 is not bad for a pool player. I don't play 3-cushion and I don't know the game that well, but trying to control the balls seems almost impossible. It's very difficult to even get one score. I've only played the game a few times in my life. I think my best package was six or something like that. A lot harder than you think. I will let the experts chime in
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The first ball is moderately controllable for an experienced hack. 2&3, not so much.

I don't think good players control the balls in the manner pool does, but they sure as crapolio would bet they know within a pretty close range where balls will lie after a given shot.
 
BasementDweller said:
Out of curiosity I tried to predict his shots during the run. I paused it before each shot for no more than 10 seconds. I guessed 16 shots correctly. So 16 out of 29. Not bad for a pool player.

One thing about this run that jumped out at me and I don't really understand the game that well, but it seems like he never really had the balls under control. This run looked really difficult as he never managed to get a ball close to a corner where he could then get several scores. Maybe I'm clueless. I'd be interested to know if I'm way off base.

***Referring to Caudron's run here***
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Seeing it is a part of the point!
Damn game.
Been at work for an hour. Ready to billiard instead!
 
I remember years ago watching Mosconi play straight pool, 'Sweaters' would say, "I can make those shots, He's shooting all easy shots."
When non/amateur players state, "That's the shot I would shoot" or predict what a Top player will play has the Same resemblance to Mosconi running balls.

The key is, "The pro players whether it be Pool/3 cushion/Snooker are making it look easy because they know how to play position/correct patterns in pool to generally have simplified shots to continue runs!"

Seeing it is one thing and important! But the doing is the whole enchilada.
 
mr3cushion said:
I remember years ago watching Mosconi play straight pool, 'Sweaters' would say, "I can make those shots, He's shooting all easy shots."
When non/amateur players state, "That's the shot I would shoot" or predict what a Top player will play has the Same resemblance to Mosconi running balls.

The key is, "The pro players whether it be Pool/3 cushion/Snooker are making it look easy because they know how to play position/correct patterns in pool to generally have simplified shots to continue runs!"

Seeing it is one thing and important! But the doing is the whole enchilada.
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Nobody on thread thinks this looks easy.

Actually I think that's the beauty of 3 cushion vs pool. 3 cushion never looks easy. One of pool's problems on TV is it can look too easy with runout after runout. Snooker and 3 cushion don't really have that problem with the casual viewer.

Saying you can make Mosconi's easy shots is entirely different than predicting Mosconi's patterns. Pattern recognition is huge in 14.1, and I imagine shot recognition is equally as vital in 3 cushion.
 
Black-Balled said:
The first ball is moderately controllable for an experienced hack. 2&3, not so much.

I don't think good players control the balls in the manner pool does, but they sure as crapolio would bet they know within a pretty close range where balls will lie after a given shot.
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Guess that's my question. I know they control them in other carom games. I thought they did to an extent in 3 cushion too. Like when they get a red ball sort of pinned into a corner and then score multiple points. This run didn't seem to show that though, as it seemed it had a lot of difficult scores in it.
 
BasementDweller said:
Guess that's my question. I know they control them in other carom games. I thought they did to an extent in 3 cushion too. Like when they get a red ball sort of pinned into a corner and then score multiple points. This run didn't seem to show that though, as it seemed it had a lot of difficult scores in it.
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Pinned in a corner is of no good in 3c...unless it is the other guys CB!

If you are watching a pro then a high % of the shots you see have a positional (leave) element to them.

Just like pool, good players are almost always thinking about maxing the next shot better.
 
I found this book in my office. Pretty sure Bill is familiar with it.

Here's a basic :
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Black-Balled said:
I found this book in my office. Pretty sure Bill is familiar with it.

Here's a basic :
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Guilty as charged of being the author of over, 14,623 copies Sold in 18 countries since 2010.

Since 01/23 the format for the Book & DVDs has changed. Book is Now a PDF file and DVDs are mp4 files.

From the edges/spirals you've put it to good use at the table or as a door stop!
 
Black-Balled said:
Pinned in a corner is of no good in 3c...unless it is the other guys CB!

If you are watching a pro then a high % of the shots you see have a positional (leave) element to them.

Just like pool, good players are almost always thinking about maxing the next shot better.
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Didn't really mean pinned, just sort of left in a big-ball position in the corner. I would think that would be ideal for 3 cushion.
 
mr3cushion said:
Guilty as charged of being the author of over, 14,623 copies Sold in 18 countries since 2010.

Since 01/23 the format for the Book & DVDs has changed. Book is Now a PDF file and DVDs are mp4 files.

From the edges/spirals you've put it to good use at the table or as a door stop!
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The book is pretty gawdam insane, bill.

Good stuff does not even accurately describe what it contains. A man coul play that game forever and never learn what that book provides.
 
Black-Balled said:
The book is pretty gawdam insane, bill.

Good stuff does not even accurately describe what it contains. A man coul play that game forever and never learn what that book provides.
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Thanks BB. Any player that has ever played the game knows, it's a game that cannot be completely mastered.
 
Texas Carom Club said:
On paper carom sounds egregiously more simple than a pool table with 6 holes and up to 15 balls

and you find out the exact opposite is true your first time playing it
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Explained on the back cover of my book.

How can a game with just 3 balls earn the noble title of “the ultimate in a man’s control over a sphere”?

How can that game be so complex that there have never been two identical matches – or even close – in its century of history?

Part of the answer is that three-cushion billiards hasn’t seen many qualified teachers. Past masters have jealously guarded and hoarded their techniques, insights and strategies. But I’ve decided to share mine. Since 1983, I’ve been considering the best way to help the average player to elevate their game, without too many details. Now it’s ready.

The secrets to scoring multiple billiards per inning is ball control and position play. Your chances of scoring that second point increase by 25% if you can control just one ball. Control two and your odds increase by 75%. Control all three, and well on your way to the next level.

A poem from Abner Finn in the 19th Century.

“It is a science—the study of a lifetime, in which you may exhaust yourself, but never the subject.

“It is a contest, a duel a melee, calling for courage, skill, strategy and self-control.

“It is a test of temper, a trial of honor, a revealer of character.

“It affords a chance to play the man and act the gentleman.

“It means physical exercise, a sweeping away of the mental cobwebs, genuine recreation of the tired tissues.

“It’s a cure for care an antidote to worry.

“It includes companionship with friends, club intercourse, opportunity for courtesy and fairness to an opponent.

“It promotes not only physical health, but moral force.”
 
mr3cushion said:
I remember years ago watching Mosconi play straight pool, 'Sweaters' would say, "I can make those shots, He's shooting all easy shots."
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That's because the sweaters thinks that making the shot is pocketing the ball. But that is the smallest part of making the shot. Making the shot is leaving the cue ball in the right place to make the next 3 balls sequentially. And that the sweaters could never do.
 
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Poolmanis said:
Kozoom just uploaded it for those who like to see it!
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For those who haven't seen this record run, have a look. There is something unusual I just noticed about the 8th point.

Here's a related post I stole from Facebook:

It's been 11 years since the world record high run of 28 was last equaled. Komori 1993, Ceulemans 1998, Forthomme 2012, Caudron 2013. There's extra incentive: the UMB offers a prize of 29.000 Euro for a run of 29 made in official UMB competition, such as a World Cup or a World Championship. What does your crystal ball tell you? ​
(Poll of possible years it will be broken)​
 
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