"Fatboy" Productions presents...(very serious post pls read)

If I did a event and made less than 1st but more than 2nd and below, is that wrong

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 13.8%
  • No

    Votes: 112 86.2%

  • Total voters
    130
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Fatboy said:
But someday I will promote pool, when I have the cash flow(I did but its gone, just for now) and the time and a few more years older. I truely know I can make it work


If I cant make it work, I will say so-pubically. I'm still a couple years away from this. But I just am reasearching things, public opinion,

"If I cant make it work, I will say so-pubically. I'm still a couple years away from this."


Please be sure to update us daily with a new serious thread like this one for the next couple of years.

Doug
(and don't forget your Polls, we NEED those Polls)


*Edited to add: Good luck wit dat. I voted NO in the Poll.......... who's your running mate ?

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You know I am pulling for this to be a success and you deserve to profit if this venture is fruitful.
 
CrownCityCorey said:
I honestly don't understand the poll question; however, I think you already know, you have my support! That is, as long as you keep Kelly around :smile:

I have to agree with CCC on that one. If your sweetie isn't around, count me out!!!!!! :grin:

ps - Thanks for the new Sniper CCC!!!!
 
E,

Let the good times roll when the timing is right and AFTER you've gotten your back taken care of or at least explored all corrective action alternatives.
 
I think the "open book" idea is a mistake unless you are running a charity, a public company, or an association. It accomplishes nothing positive for private small business.

Good business plans are rare. In terms of legitimate enterprise, there is nothing more sinful or worthy of contempt than a money losing business. Everyone suffers.

Chris
 
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Fatboy said:
nothing!! for a long time but I'm headed and am very serious about it, I'm on the way now and putting together my advisors, players, vendors, supporters, media(later), and doing my best to win over my detractors, I cant do anything alone. [etc.]

Seriously, no matter if it's a scam artist (type Kevin Trudeau) or a self proclaimed "New Sheriff in Town" -- when someone claims being "very serious" about creating "pro-events" for pool but yet can't even proofread his own proposal, I have my doubts that this person is good for our sport, (and sadly this comes from me, a foreigner who can barely speak/write English).

-- peer
 
Blackjack said:
Eric

You and I have talked for hours about what works and what doesn't work, what needs to be changed, and what has caused others to fail in the past - who caused it and why.

If you profit from this (in any way or in any amount), it is the mark of the ventures' success.I wouldn't explain or apologize about the bottom line to anybody. Right now we are at a point where we would have to jump to reach bottom.

We both know what Dana had to do to get the UFC where it is today. Everybody told Dana that he was wasting his time and energy trying to save a sport that would never and could never be marketed to the mainstream public. Three guys bought UFC when it was dead. It was over. The sport was dead and no one cared. 10 years later, businesses are tripping over each other and knocking each other to the ground in order to sponsor the UFC's PPV's.

Dana wasn't stupid, and he knew that if he could gain the assistance of Frank and Lorenzo, that he would get the start up capital (as well as inside networking capabilities with the Nevada State Athletic/Gaming Commission).

I bring this up only because after all of that, and after securing the services of guys like Mark Ratner - which IMO is the best hiring move ever made by Zuffa (sorry Rogan - lol) collectively they all had to sit down and find a way reinvent and re-market Mixed Martial Arts.

Look at it today.

Dana knows what he has, and he is not in the kneeling position looking for money from anybody - and I quote Dana White - "Look at how huge we are. I don't need f****** Coca-cola to keep doing what we're doing, man.

Dana understood that the promoters killed boxing by taking it off free television. He saw boxing as a roadmap of what not do and went in the other direction - flipping off the Wall Street know-it-alls that told him he was nuts.

By surrounding ourselves with people that share our vision, our work ethic, and our love for the game, we can do the same thing.

It can't be about the money. If you are doing anything "just for the money" then you can only go so far. This needs be done from the heart and soul - if you need some input on that, get with Dana and he can explain the reasons for this to you better than anyone in the world. I am sure you have heard Dana's quote - "I am a guy that did exactly what he wanted to do. When you do that, the money follows." Dana never talks about the money - its not what he's about.

Joe Rogan is also a great resource, and good guy and someone that was with the UFC organization when nobody gave a shitt about it. He stuck with it because of his love for the sport - and he is as much a part of their success as the fighter's (IMO - and isn't it strange that I haven't brought up fighters - YET)

The Fertitta's were a Nevada Casino family. Today, I believe most of their money is primarily invested in Zuffa.

We need to surround ourselves with people that have been through the building process and followed through until they succeeded - like Dana White. Abandon the old ideas. Griffin Vs Bonnar 1 was not something that could (or would) have been signed, or predicted. It is moments such as that where we need to allow the magic of pocket billiards to take over. The game has appeal, but you need to market players that play from their hearts, not their wallet.

You know that you can always call me if you need an idea or two, or if you just want to BS for a few hours about NPR stuff... have you ever noticed that you and I hardly talk about pool?

I know this post is long, all basically all it says is - study the successful people around you, and also study the unsuccessful people around you. From there you can chart your own course in either direction. In the past, pool has chosen the wrong path over and over again. Hopefully that will change. The UFC has gone through what pool is going through and they overcame the odds. We can too.


I Know Dana real good, had dinnere with him many many times, remember I owned a boxing radio show for years, I paid and still do very careful attention to what he created-and UFC sucks now-its fake as WWF wrestling but that sells too.
 
beetle said:
I wouldn't presume to know more than anyone else about business, but here is what I think.

The only thing wrong with the IPT concerned the broken promises that Trudeau made (no payment to players and staff at the last event, cancelled tournaments, no salaried IPT members as promised, etc.). The model, rules, and structure of the tournaments was pretty damn good, imo.

The presentation and entertainment value of these tournaments was superb. Trudeau was at first willing to lose money for a couple years to get it off the ground, but then became unwilling to lose any more money and basically stopped his commitment to the IPT. He broke promises, and destroyed the support he had. I was astonished that such a savvy businessman would do something so stupid.

But that does not mean that the fundaments of what he set up were broken. You have to be willing to lose money for the first few years. You can afford that, and that will give you time to build a loyal pool of players to your events. Running qualifiers is a great way to keep money coming into the system and eventually it can become profitable, particularly if you get some sponsors to add to the mix.

So, why not keep the fundamentals of the IPT model, but use your credentials, experience, honesty, and openness to avoid the self destruction that occurred with Trudeau's IPT.

...Oh, and my other message for my 1000th post: Get out and VOTE!!!


this thread aint about KT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks
 
TATE said:
I think the "open book" idea is a mistake unless you are running a charity, a public company, or an association. It accomplishes nothing positive for private small business.

Good business plans are rare. In terms of legitimate enterprise, there is nothing more sinful or worthy of contempt than a money losing business. Everyone suffers.

Chris


Chris with all due respect what I'm going to d oisnt going to be a small biz, I stopped doing them years ago. public companys have no problems with being public, should Ido something its size will land in the middle-and As I stated its iopen to the principlals not the audience.
 
Ever since the first month FatBoy came on AZ I said to myself, "this guy can give pool the shot that's needed to kick start it".

With his love for pool, his business sense and money, and the people he knows and surrounds himself with, he can't miss. I'm not always right...but I'm never wrong. GOOOOOOOOOOOOO FATBOY. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Ever since the first month FatBoy came on AZ I said to myself, "this guy can give pool the shot that's needed to kick start it".

With his love for pool, his business sense and money, and the people he knows and surrounds himself with, he can't miss. I'm not always right...but I'm never wrong. GOOOOOOOOOOOOO FATBOY. Johnnyt

I'm on it buddy, it will take time and I sure have learned alot in the past 2 years about promoting, pool I have known for many years-I still need time but I'm honeing in on it., thanks JohnnyT
 
Peer said:
Seriously, no matter if it's a scam artist (type Kevin Trudeau) or a self proclaimed "New Sheriff in Town" -- when someone claims being "very serious" about creating "pro-events" for pool but yet can't even proofread his own proposal, I have my doubts that this person is good for our sport, (and sadly this comes from me, a foreigner who can barely speak/write English).

-- peer

Peer,

I understand where you're coming from. Fatboy's command of the englsh language (or spelling) may not be that great. But he has a love for the game played at it's highest level. Thats is a proven fact. If he is willing to take a gamble on Pro-pool being successful, why would anyone knock it ?
Are you saying he has no chance to succeed ? He will give it a better shot than KT did, and I think he will be honest in his dealings with everybody.

Dick

PS. And Peer, I admire you for your succeses in America, but please don't put someone down, for trying his best, to improve our sport.

Dick
 
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Fatboy

I can only say I hope it works out. I've never thought that any player in any sport should make more than the owner of that team. Hope you make lots of money along with the players.
 
DRW said:
I can only say I hope it works out. I've never thought that any player in any sport should make more than the owner of that team. Hope you make lots of money along with the players.

i'm not doing it for the $$, but donmt believe if it isnt profitabble it wont survive for "love" only.
 
Combine what you know, with what you love to do, and it can't help but succeed. You have my vote. If you're willing to put forth the effort to get things rolling, take care of the players and staff, then why should anyone care how much you make, to keep things alive and building.

I'm with Smorg- get your running mate.
You'd win by a landslide!
 
Fatboy said:
this thread aint about KT!!!!


I mentioned the IPT model as something relevant to your proposal.

I would think you would be interested in taking the parts of a tested model that work, combine them with novel ideas, and create something better.

But if the mere mention of a competing model causes such consternation then I guess you've already decided that there is nothing of value there.

Fair enough, but if you discount the IPT model completely, then, imo, you are simply taking something that can work off the table.
 
Fatboy said:
...If my players make $300,000 in a event and I make $150,000 I will let the world know, there is nothing wrong with making $$$,

What will they say after you make $150 large from running Pool tournaments? There's really only one thing to say:

F&$#@G flip for it!

Seriously though, as I have said here before it is really all about the money. Anyone who can put down about $1,000,000 or more annually can simply OWN Pro Pool in the USA and have a major impact on the game worldwide.

No one (Amalgamated naysayers & associated prophets of doom excepted) will care where you came from or how you want to run it, as long as the prize purses actually get paid out. All you need IMHO is a couple of reasonably well-run national events with $250,000+ prize purses a year and the players will jump through whatever hoops you want to get there.

So really the only question is how you will recoup your investment with a profit, which obviously requires an income from these events far in excess of their costs. I can't actually see anything from you about how you will practically achieve this level of income or where it will come from, so I can only wish you the best of luck at this point. As and when you have some actual plans you want input on just let us know.
 
SJDinPHX said:
Peer,

I understand where you're coming from. Fatboy's command of the englsh language (or spelling) may not be that great. But he has a love for the game played at it's highest level. Thats is a proven fact. If he is willing to take a gamble on Pro-pool being successful, why would anyone knock it ?
Are you saying he has no chance to succeed ? He will give it a better shot than KT did, and I think he will be honest in his dealings with everybody.

Dick

PS. And Peer, I admire you for your succeses in America, but please don't put someone down, for trying his best, to improve our sport.

Dick


i'm very well spoken, my writing is terrible-i'm diligently working on improving my written communication skills, I gave up on spelling


thanks

eric
 
Well all I have to say is "get er done" Fatboy!! Eric may not have the command of the written language of a professor but he does not need it. That is why you hire people around you that do. To compare him or his dream to anything that the 'snake oil salesman' AKA Kevin Trudeau is just totally wrong and insulting. What has he done to even be remotely compared to KT. He has obviously been quite succesfull and has decided to do something that he believes in. I have been personally involved with many very wealthy people in the past and they all followed their dreams to success. One started selling macrame plant hangers out of the trunk of his car at flea markets and now competes directly with Pier One Imports. You never know unless you try!!
Dan
 
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