Fedor Mosconi cup

Justaneng said:
Matchroom could make the argument to Fedor that they could increase the payouts if the US was more competitive.

From there they need a rule that both works to balance the teams and passes the funny looks test. “Players who have lived at least 75% of the past 3 years in a country other than their home country may elect (upon invitation) to represent their host country in international events. For validation, players must demonstrate proof that the host country has been their primary residence, such as proof lease or property ownership documentation, as well as proof that they have paid taxes (e.g. income or property) in their host country for at least 3 consecutive years.”
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What would be the fun in winning if we didn't beat their best?
 
hang-the-9 said:
... so winning 2 of 10 Mosconi Cups is just about correct for the predictions based on Fargo given a small sample.
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That's why the smart money is on Europe. The bookies are making the Americans about a 2:1 underdog. I guess there is enough pro-American money coming in to keep that line.
 
jokrswylde said:
Not sure where you are going with this, but "Russian" isn't a race, it's a nationality. People have been excluded due to their nationality in professional and amateur events since International competition has been a thing.
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I had to explain to John Barton that China is not a race a few years ago.
Were people this dense before social media?
 
Residency rules are important. We all come from somewhere else, but where we lay our heads for the majority of the time should be who we represent IMHO.
Justaneng said:
Matchroom could make the argument to Fedor that they could increase the payouts if the US was more competitive.

From there they need a rule that both works to balance the teams and passes the funny looks test. “Players who have lived at least 75% of the past 3 years in a country other than their home country may elect (upon invitation) to represent their host country in international events. For validation, players must demonstrate proof that the host country has been their primary residence, such as proof lease or property ownership documentation, as well as proof that they have paid taxes (e.g. income or property) in their host country for at least 3 consecutive years.”
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Tennesseejoe said:
Matchroom owns the Mosconi Cup and they make the rules. As it stands the players 'represent' either Team Europe or Team USA. Matchroon can do what they want.

Personally, I like Gorst as a player and as a person but I do not feel comfortable with a citizen of a communist country (at war with a NATO country) representing the USA.
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Fedor is a citizen of the Soviet Union and Ukraine is a NATO country? News to me.
 
Maniac said:
It makes more sense to change the name from the Mosconi Cup to the Reyes Cup and have European and Asian teams compete.

Be better for the fans too, which is basically why they have the event. It's purely entertainment.
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That's not why they have the event. The Mosconi dates to 1994 and was conceived months after the death of Willie Mosconi. The event is a tribute to the legendary Hall of Famer and Flora Mosconi was in the loop and authorized the creation of an event that would honor her late husband. Any suggestion that the fans don't absolutely love the Mosconi as it exists today is unfounded, for no event in the game generates more enthusiasm from both players and fans.

Nonetheless, a Team Europe vs Team Asia match might make for a nice event and if you want to call it the Reyes Cup, that's fine, but it shouldn't replace the Mosconi Cup, a proven long-term winner.
 
hang-the-9 said:
If it's for pure winning, of course you would want to be on the stronger team. But Mosconi Cup is about pride of representing a country not personal winning and from what I have seen of Fedor talking about living in the US, he is one of the people that would play as an American even if it's not a lock to win. Plus, with him on the team, the chances of USA winning is nearing 50/50. If someone can get Dechaine to be more of a team player and get a better practice and work ethic similar to SVB, the US would be very competitive with adding him and Fedor.
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jokrswylde said:
Not sure where you are going with this, but "Russian" isn't a race, it's a nationality. People have been excluded due to their nationality in professional and amateur events since International competition has been a thing.
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Russian is an ethnicity and nationality, with Eastern Slavic ancestry.

But, what you are saying is, if they said no "Mexicans" allowed, that's not racist because they didn't use the word Hispanic? I'd still say that's racist, but I guess that's just my opinion.
 
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Tennesseejoe said:
Matchroom owns the Mosconi Cup and they make the rules. As it stands the players 'represent' either Team Europe or Team USA. Matchroon can do what they want.

Personally, I like Gorst as a player and as a person but I do not feel comfortable with a citizen of a communist country representing the USA.
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It's his fault he was born in Russia?

Adults judge people by their character, but you do you
 
If I was Fedor, I’d want nothing to do with the Mosconi Cup. Why would he want to be in the middle of all that drama and controversy?
 
Would the Russian federation receive a portion of Fedors winnings if he did play?

The money would be used as a non profit.
 
sjm said:
That's not why they have the event. The Mosconi dates to 1994 and was conceived months after the death of Willie Mosconi. The event is a tribute to the legendary Hall of Famer and Flora Mosconi was in the loop and authorized the creation of an event that would honor her late husband. Any suggestion that the fans don't absolutely love the Mosconi as it exists today is unfounded, for no event in the game generates more enthusiasm from both players and fans.

Nonetheless, a Team Europe vs Team Asia match might make for a nice event and if you want to call it the Reyes Cup, that's fine, but it shouldn't replace the Mosconi Cup, a proven long-term winner.
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Well said, agree totally
 
sjm said:
That's not why they have the event. The Mosconi dates to 1994 and was conceived months after the death of Willie Mosconi. The event is a tribute to the legendary Hall of Famer and Flora Mosconi was in the loop and authorized the creation of an event that would honor her late husband. Any suggestion that the fans don't absolutely love the Mosconi as it exists today is unfounded, for no event in the game generates more enthusiasm from both players and fans.

Nonetheless, a Team Europe vs Team Asia match might make for a nice event and if you want to call it the Reyes Cup, that's fine, but it shouldn't replace the Mosconi Cup, a proven long-term winner.
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Our opinions may differ, but I gave up on the Mosconi Cup when fans overseas hit one of our players with a pacifier and another time made rude comments about another players wife. It stops being serious pool at that juncture. I don't even keep track of it anymore. It has become as silly as NBA/NFL sports has become, what with the fans acting like a bunch of adolescents. Not professional pool, IMHO.
 
Maniac said:
Our opinions may differ, but I gave up on the Mosconi Cup when fans overseas hit one of our players with a pacifier and another time made rude comments about another players wife. It stops being serious pool at that juncture. I don't even keep track of it anymore. It has become as silly as NBA/NFL sports has become, what with the fans acting like a bunch of adolescents. Not professional pool, IMHO.
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It has turned into a hooliganism attendance with more disruption than is really needed even for a louder atmosphere, to the point of outright rudeness and disrespect of the players, and pretty much all from the European side from what I can tell. They brought over the drunken rowdiness from soccer into the Mosconi Cup. Willie would be turning over in his grave seeing how the fans are acting.
 
Maniac said:
Our opinions may differ, but I gave up on the Mosconi Cup when fans overseas hit one of our players with a pacifier and another time made rude comments about another players wife. It stops being serious pool at that juncture. I don't even keep track of it anymore. It has become as silly as NBA/NFL sports has become, what with the fans acting like a bunch of adolescents. Not professional pool, IMHO.
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I'll respect your opinion. If you don't enjoy it, that's OK. It's a made for TV exhibition for sure, but I've always had fun when I attend.
 
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