Flippers

Panhdlce

Panhdlce

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Quite a few people on this forum are only here to buy your cues as cheaply as possible and "flip" them for a profit.

Do you have any problem with "flippers"?

I do have some problems when I sell them a cue becuse they "have to have it" to be their personal cue and I see it offered for sale at a large markup here the next day, it makes me feel like I was used or decived to price the cue low to them so they can make a profit I could have as easly made myself.

I don't have a problem with those that are willing to tell me up front the price they are willing to pay as they plan on selling and need to make a certain amount profit.
 
I don't have any thoughts about the cue once it is sold...it then belongs to the buyer. If they flip it and make a profit, fine and good. If I priced the cue too low to them, well...that's on me.

But what I do have a problem with is when I give a cue to a friend, as a gift, and they go out and sell it. Or when I sell a cue on credit and they sell it before I'm paid-in-full.
 
The way I look at it. When I sell something, I don't care what someone does with it. Sell it for double what they paid or set it on fire. If I don't like the offer I don't sell the item.

I understand what you are saying though. We have all seen it a million times...." That (insert cue, case, or whatever) is exactly what I am looking for, I will use it forever and pass it on to my kids....." Only to see it for sale a week later at an inflated price. I just laugh now.

When I get lowball offers or someone wants to say well it's not perfect but I will "give" you this crazy offer to help you out, I just say " No thanks" and laugh at some people who feel superior for chiseling somebody out of a buck.
 
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If I sell something an the new owner quadruples his money I am very happy for him. If you get what you want for something thats all that can be asked.
Pinocchio
 
Panhdlce said:
I do have some problems when I sell them a cue becuse they "have to have it" to be their personal cue and I see it offered for sale at a large markup here the next day, it makes me feel like I was used or decived to price the cue low to them so they can make a profit I could have as easly made myself.
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Then don't sell it....:confused:
 
I see your point

Panhdlce said:
Quite a few people on this forum are only here to buy your cues as cheaply as possible and "flip" them for a profit.

Do you have any problem with "flippers"?

I do have some problems when I sell them a cue becuse they "have to have it" to be their personal cue and I see it offered for sale at a large markup here the next day, it makes me feel like I was used or decived to price the cue low to them so they can make a profit I could have as easly made myself.

I don't have a problem with those that are willing to tell me up front the price they are willing to pay as they plan on selling and need to make a certain amount profit.
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I do see your point. It is intellectually dishonest to bargain with someone like that. I have found that bouncing names around (both buyers and sellers) with a couple of members who have done a lot of business on the board is very helpful.

I also just try and sell for the price I think that I believe to be fair and what I would be willing to accept.
 
i've only sold a couple of things here and haven't seen them resold yet. i sold most of what i sold for a loss. i kind of like the idea of someone telling a story about how they got a great deal on the cue they're using. i like hooking other people up when i can. if they have the patience to wait for someone to buy the cue at a higher price that's good for them. i sold most of my stuff because i like to gamble and my credit card lets me take money out of the atm. at 12% that's like 120 dollars for everythousand so i had to take money off the total right quick and in a hurry. onetime i waited a day too long to buy a gilbert on here then ended up buying it from the guy who beat me to the deal for more than it was posted here for. i don't get sore about it though
 
If I am selling something there is a price I am looking for. I get it, sold and am happy. I don't let sob stories affect the price I want. You want it. You pay for it. I have heard many stories and I am sure there are many more. They are all lies used to get the price down.

I only have this much too spend. (Then save more or look for a cheaper cue)
I have cash. (Do you think I am in the financing business. Of course it will be cash)
I need a good cue for my son or daughter who is just starting to play (Buy them a cheaper one. They need a beater anyways)
Some one stoled my cue. (So I have to share in your loss)
I don't like the wrap. (Fine, you won't be happy so don't buy it)
I don't like the veneer colors. (A cheaper price won't change the colors)
My first cue was just like that and I always wanted it back (Good then you should pay a premium)
My dad had a cue just like it and he died. (Great then he doesn't need a cue anymore)
I have a lot of cues and don't need anymore. (Then don't buy anymore)
Someone else is selling the same cue for a cheaper price. (Then buy it)
The cue is not new. (Then buy a new one)
I really want a plane jane (Then why are you bothering me?)
I don't play that much anymore. (Then use a house cue)
It is a Christmas gift. (Would like to be on your gift list)
My wife is buying it for me. (Then I will deal with her)
I think Meucci's are better playing. (We all have opinions and this tells me yours are straight from the A HOLE)
My ex broke my cue. (No wonder she is your ex)
My girl friend needs one. (Great! So you want to F..k me too)
Can go on and on.

This would be a great thread to start. Dumb reasons you should sell it to them for a chaper price.
 
TheBook said:
If I am selling something there is a price I am looking for. I get it, sold and am happy. I don't let sob stories affect the price I want. You want it. You pay for it. I have heard many stories and I am sure there are many more. They are all lies used to get the price down.

I only have this much too spend. (Then save more or look for a cheaper cue)
I have cash. (Do you think I am in the financing business. Of course it will be cash)
I need a good cue for my son or daughter who is just starting to play (Buy them a cheaper one. They need a beater anyways)
Some one stoled my cue. (So I have to share in your loss)
I don't like the wrap. (Fine, you won't be happy so don't buy it)
I don't like the veneer colors. (A cheaper price won't change the colors)
My first cue was just like that and I always wanted it back (Good then you should pay a premium)
My dad had a cue just like it and he died. (Great then he doesn't need a cue anymore)
I have a lot of cues and don't need anymore. (Then don't buy anymore)
Someone else is selling the same cue for a cheaper price. (Then buy it)
The cue is not new. (Then buy a new one)
I really want a plane jane (Then why are you bothering me?)
I don't play that much anymore. (Then use a house cue)
It is a Christmas gift. (Would like to be on your gift list)
My wife is buying it for me. (Then I will deal with her)
I think Meucci's are better playing. (We all have opinions and this tells me yours are straight from the A HOLE)
My ex broke my cue. (No wonder she is your ex)
My girl friend needs one. (Great! So you want to F..k me too)
Can go on and on.

This would be a great thread to start. Dumb reasons you should sell it to them for a chaper price.
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Great post, Book. I think you should start a thread for this. My favorite was around Christmas, "I want to buy a cue that I can give away to some disadvantaged youths".

I actually fell for that one and gave a lowball price to an individual who kept wanting to send the cue back to me for different reasons for better cues without any adjustment in price.
 
good answers! I agree I don't care if you resell a cue for a million dollars it is when you tell me a deceptive story for your own financial gain
 
Ya, there's been few times when I made a trade where the other party said the cue I had was theirs before and it was the "best hitting cue" they've every had. In these cases, I probably made the trade "more fair" only to see the traded cue reappear on the market for sale and I'd say WTF????

Now, I'm probably more jaded and agree with people that I should get what I want out of trade/sale and don't get bothered about the cue when it leaves my hands.

I think the whole thread about is feeling of being deceived which no one likes....
 
Flippers - my opinion

Well, I will once again agree with the many people who keep saying - Sell the cue for what you want for it, and you can't be unhappy somebody makes a profit. If you sell it for what you will, then you can't complain if somebody runs into somebody else that wants to pay more for it. There is no true bluebook VALUE of a cue, even though it exists. What YOU will sell it for, combined with what SOMEBODY will pay for it is its TRUE VALUE. And if you decide to take an OFFER over what YOU WANT, then that is the TRUE value to YOU. Yes, you can wait to see if somebody will pay what YOUR ORIGINAL value is, but that may take time, and time is money. So if you sell it for a certain value, then that is what you get. Hey, if somebody sells it for more, then good for them, but always remember you got what you would accept at the time, and that might have helped you out at the time.
All I can say is that I have bought/traded/sold cues, and I might have lost money and gained money during my many years, but my family and myself have their health, and cues to play pool with, so I can't complain.

Michael

Of course, my dying wife's wish is to shoot with a nice Tim Scruggs before passing, so if anyone would like to give me a great compassionate deal on one, I would be greatly appreciative:rolleyes: :p
 
My dying wife's wish

No rush on the Scruggs, the best deal would be great. I mean, my wife is 30 yrs old, and she might have another 40 - 60 years left, before she passes. Just my luck:p
too many honeydo lists for me to finish, as it is.

Michael
 
i dont think it's a problem unless they lied to u about why they're buying it. if they dont mention whether they're keeping it or not then that's fine, but if they flat out say they want it cuz they want to use it or keep it then turn around and sell it then thats just wrong. but about selling cues right away, i look at it this way. if they're willing to put up 2 grand for a cue and hope that someone pays more for it when they sell it then they're welcomed to do so as they risk not being able to sell it for profit. even if they sell it for the price they got it, they have to go through the hassle of sending and receiving the cue then finding a buyer, working out a deal then shipping it. considering all the horrible stories i've heard about some cues being lost or confiscated in shipping, if they're willing to risk their money and time to make a profit then more power to them.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
i've only sold a couple of things here and haven't seen them resold yet. i sold most of what i sold for a loss. i kind of like the idea of someone telling a story about how they got a great deal on the cue they're using. i like hooking other people up when i can.
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That sort of philosophy is damn hard to find these days. I would rather sell a nice cue cheaply to someone who was really enthusiastic about the game and wanted a good cue. Of course, that pretty much narrows it down to people I run into at the pool hall.

People post here occasionally asking about which new $100 cue they should buy. 10 years ago, I might have been able to make a recommendation, but today, "a used xxxx" is the advice I give every time.

Ken
 
TheBook said:
If I am selling something there is a price I am looking for. I get it, sold and am happy. I don't let sob stories affect the price I want. You want it. You pay for it. I have heard many stories and I am sure there are many more. They are all lies used to get the price down.

I only have this much too spend. (Then save more or look for a cheaper cue)
I have cash. (Do you think I am in the financing business. Of course it will be cash)
I need a good cue for my son or daughter who is just starting to play (Buy them a cheaper one. They need a beater anyways)
Some one stoled my cue. (So I have to share in your loss)

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My girl friend needs one. (Great! So you want to F..k me too)
Can go on and on.

This would be a great thread to start. Dumb reasons you should sell it to them for a chaper price.
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A good thread to start? It looks like you already started, filled it, and ended it in one swell foop. :D
 
Don't mind flippers, as long as they are straight up....an educated buyer/seller is welcome to get what they can....

As far as the emotional blackmail crap.....ie, I just paid off a bunch of medical bills, or whatever excuse they lie about to get a better deal, and then they flip your generosity into some money....well, that's the easiest way to get rid of worthless people in your life...

EX:

Sell your $500 cue for $400.....the guy is local, he sharks you with his hard luck story, and you help him buy this cue for his son's b-day...

Next week, he sells it for $500 on here...

Well, it only cost you $100 to get rid of a worthless, piece of sheit....he'll always avoid you, and you won't have to be around the next time he takes somebody for more money....he'll get his in the end, it all comes around....hopefully, his next hard luck story will involve medical bills from his broken thumbs, and it'll be true ;)
 
Got to take the good with the bad, I guess.

I totally understand the negative feelings about the flippers and their shenanigans, but I really can't fault the buyer with the hard luck story, because I have been on the other end of the deal too - that's when a seller has a hard luck story, and I get a really good deal on a nice cue. I've found that it pays to keep a little cash around for things like that.
 
Panhdlce said:
Quite a few people on this forum are only here to buy your cues as cheaply as possible and "flip" them for a profit.

Do you have any problem with "flippers"?

I do have some problems when I sell them a cue becuse they "have to have it" to be their personal cue and I see it offered for sale at a large markup here the next day, it makes me feel like I was used or decived to price the cue low to them so they can make a profit I could have as easly made myself.

I don't have a problem with those that are willing to tell me up front the price they are willing to pay as they plan on selling and need to make a certain amount profit.
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sometimes if i want to give a friend a deal, i give it to them at my cost, and tell them if they sell it, that i want it back OR i want 50% of the profit from the cue.
if he's not a friend, then sell it for what you want out of it.
and if your FRIENDS are pulling this move on you, maybe they are not friends.

just an idea.


chris G
 
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