Florian has company!! TRICK SHOTS.....amazing.

Slim Limpy said:
Hello,

ok Bob, why does this seem counter-intuitive to my thinking? ...
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What is observed is that new cloth is slippery and as the cloth gets old and used, it becomes sticky. On the big stroke shots where you want the cue ball to take big arcs, you want the cue ball to slip on the cloth before gaining traction.

I think cloth becomes more sticky with wear for two reasons. First, there is some kind of factory treatment that makes new cloth slipperier. Second, as the cloth acquires chalk dust, it gets stickier -- chalk is just ground-up sand in a binder, so you are playing on sandpaper, basically.
 
Bob Jewett said:
What is observed is that new cloth is slippery and as the cloth gets old and used, it becomes sticky. On the big stroke shots where you want the cue ball to take big arcs, you want the cue ball to slip on the cloth before gaining traction.
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With slick cloth (and/or a slicked-up CB), the CB will also have more spin initially because the cloth offers less resistance to spin as the tip drives the CB down into the table.

Regards,
Dave
 
No, cant ever say company simply based on a video. Clearly that is a very impressive video but with videos also comes uncertainty to how a player really is skill-wise. There are many video makers out there who may think they are excellent because of the attention they receive but they still have years to go to develop their skills to even prove themselves within the competition format. Just my say on it.

This comment was not aimed just toward the creator of this video.
 
Venomtrickshots said:
As soon as he's still shooting the shots I created this is no concurrence, but I have to say it: FINALLY :)) Maybe he will help to change the current way we see trick shots...

Btw, I'm not dead too, here is my last video ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbbHZ...ature=youtu.be
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That's funny. You are what 21 now? "I am not dead yet".......... I think that it's great that you have been able to inspire others. I have said many times I find that THIS is a great example of the power of the internet.

We have seen you grow up on YouTube, seen your skill evolve, and now you are booking shows for real money around the world.

You and the folks like you are the future of trick shot shows. What you do is built on the shoulders of all those who came before you and what people do later will be built on your shoulders.
 
Mark Griffin said:
Upcoming Junior event? Is that for pool or artistic pool (trick shots)?
Pretty impressive!

I will support trick shots if it is pool shots and stroke shots - not props and BS.

Mark Griffin
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IMHO this kid could take his show on the road, and make money for a College Education. I am thinking he could be booked at U.S. Military Bases around the Globe entertaining the Troops! This is IMHO a better show then BOB HOPE!
 
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SteveMarklePool said:
No, cant ever say company simply based on a video. Clearly that is a very impressive video but with videos also comes uncertainty to how a player really is skill-wise. There are many video makers out there who may think they are excellent because of the attention they receive but they still have years to go to develop their skills to even prove themselves within the competition format. Just my say on it.

This comment was not aimed just toward the creator of this video.
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I support you on this one. To be honest even with my not greatest shots, and also my vids are not good as his are but it really takes an pretty nice amount of attempts to make a shot.
 
Regarding competitions. There OUGHT to be some divisions. One is prop shots and one is stroke shots. Although if I am not mistaken I think that the Artistic Pool comps in the USA do have divisions.

In Europe artistic pool is ALL stroke shots. No props, just barriers in the form of some pins that the balls has to go around.

In America the term "artistic billiards" has been diluted to inlcude all sorts of shots requiring all sorts of special built props.

In the old days we could all "perform" a bunch of trick shots with just the equipment found at every pool table. Stick, rack, balls, bridge, chalk + Skill = Trick shot show. Now at least on the Trick Shot Magic shows you need to come with a trunk full of props to have any kind of a chance.

Some of the prop shots are pretty cool and inventive certainly. And prop shots have also been a part of trick shot artist's shows for a long time. But I am with Mark Griffin in that I prefer to see more stroke and knowledge shots and less gimmick prop shots. That said all the trick shots guys like Andy Segal, Tom Rossman and others who do a lot of prop shots are highly skilled and their shots are not "easy" by any means.

I bet you though that these trick shot videos being put up are doing more to generate interest in pool than just about anything else on YouTube.
 
JB Cases said:
Regarding competitions. There OUGHT to be some divisions. One is prop shots and one is stroke shots. Although if I am not mistaken I think that the Artistic Pool comps in the USA do have divisions.

In Europe artistic pool is ALL stroke shots. No props, just barriers in the form of some pins that the balls has to go around.

In America the term "artistic billiards" has been diluted to inlcude all sorts of shots requiring all sorts of special built props.

In the old days we could all "perform" a bunch of trick shots with just the equipment found at every pool table. Stick, rack, balls, bridge, chalk + Skill = Trick shot show. Now at least on the Trick Shot Magic shows you need to come with a trunk full of props to have any kind of a chance.

Some of the prop shots are pretty cool and inventive certainly. And prop shots have also been a part of trick shot artist's shows for a long time. But I am with Mark Griffin in that I prefer to see more stroke and knowledge shots and less gimmick prop shots. That said all the trick shots guys like Andy Segal, Tom Rossman and others who do a lot of prop shots are highly skilled and their shots are not "easy" by any means.

I bet you though that these trick shot videos being put up are doing more to generate interest in pool than just about anything else on YouTube.
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Couldn't agree more with that... we've reached a point you need to bring 6 jump cues, it's beginning to be terrible for travels^^

On a side note, I do believe there is a difference between European and Usa tricks because we have less players in Europe, or players coming from a different cue sport, it's harder to entertain them and impress them because they know how hard things are really.
For example, when you do shows in Germany, you can't fool them with easy shots because half of the audience, if it's in a poolhall, would be able to execute it lol
 
rivercitysledge said:
this kid is better in my opinion...his vids are not doctored up
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Well you are wrong. Florian knows his stuff and is one of the most creative shooters out there. Jop is just inspired by Florian. He uses shots that Florian created and you will see very least shots that he created himself. Also Venom is consistent.
 
rivercitysledge said:
this kid is better in my opinion...his vids are not doctored up
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Huh?

Doctored up? What do you mean? If you mean that this guy did these shots all on one take and didn't splice the successful ones together you are completely wrong. I even see that he was on at least two different tables.

None of these guys hit all these shots in one try. It's virtually impossible to do that given the complexity of the shots.

I have seen Florian in person on a table totally unfamiliar to him - ours - do some mind-bending shots after a few minutes to get the feel of the cloth. For about 15 minutes he wowed the spectators with one mind blowing shot after another while just trying out the cloth to see how he liked it.

So I think that someone who is just starting to put out vids on the net and has only been practicing on his home table has a ways to go to be "better" than Florian. Why would you want to take away anything from what Florian has given us all for free all these years?

Why not just be cool and appreciate both of them for showing us some amazing shots?
 
JB Cases said:
Huh?

Doctored up? What do you mean? If you mean that this guy did these shots all on one take and didn't splice the successful ones together you are completely wrong. I even see that he was on at least two different tables.

None of these guys hit all these shots in one try. It's virtually impossible to do that given the complexity of the shots.

I have seen Florian in person on a table totally unfamiliar to him - ours - do some mind-bending shots after a few minutes to get the feel of the cloth. For about 15 minutes he wowed the spectators with one mind blowing shot after another while just trying out the cloth to see how he liked it.

So I think that someone who is just starting to put out vids on the net and has only been practicing on his home table has a ways to go to be "better" than Florian. Why would you want to take away anything from what Florian has given us all for free all these years?

Why not just be cool and appreciate both of them for showing us some amazing shots?
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Venom rocks ! And i'm looking for a definition of "Doctored up"- still din't find anything.
 
Venomtrickshots said:
Couldn't agree more with that... we've reached a point you need to bring 6 jump cues, it's beginning to be terrible for travels^^

On a side note, I do believe there is a difference between European and Usa tricks because we have less players in Europe, or players coming from a different cue sport, it's harder to entertain them and impress them because they know how hard things are really.
For example, when you do shows in Germany, you can't fool them with easy shots because half of the audience, if it's in a poolhall, would be able to execute it lol
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I disagree Florian. Mike Massey and Ralf Eckhart and several others have toured Europe extensively while you were still a baby and they impressed the audiences as much as you impress them now.

If Andy Segal were to tour Europe then his show would get applause and praise just as much as yours does. You have two different approaches to the art of trick-shots. Both are equally valid in their own right and both are equally entertaining.

While I prefer your brand of more stroke shots I still like to see creative shots from others as long as the setup isn't 30 minutes and the "trick" very gimmicky. But that's where showmanship comes in and that's a part of a trick shot show.

John <--------was a member of a high diving team, comedy diving team and also a comedy trampolinist, in the USA and Europe.
 
dedication and some pretty understanding parents

Check out that kid's earlier video. I think it's number 5. He has his table in the dining room/office right next to the kitchen. one quarter of the table is bumped up against the corner of the room making it unplayable at all. Some of the shots you see his mom on one side of the table in her bathrobe on the computer and another you see his dad in the kitchen. Those are some really understanding and supportive parents/guardians! It was nice to see in the OPs linked video that they got him his own space to put his table. I hope he keeps it up. The stroke shots are my favorite type of trick shots for sure. Going to check out Eagletrickshots vids right now...

--EDIT-- OK Googled Eagle trick shots and got a bunch of golf trick shots.

Could someone point me to some good YouTube trick shots? I'll search there now, but any favorites would really speed up the hunt.

Found Florian's vids... very nice. This will give me weeks of stuff to watch and some stuff to try...
 
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This new kid is phenomenal! Huge progress in such a short period of time. Definitely something special, and certainly the first time I've seen "wow factor" from anyone since Florian came on the scene. :thumbup:

As for the few people who think he's surpassed Florian.... maybe consider rewatching a few of Florian's latest videos. It's like comparing a nice painting in a local art gallery to a Picasso. The kid is really good, but it's night and day. Then again, I guess if you can't see the difference if you don't understand the technical or creative implications.

Either way this new kid is amazing. I really look forward to seeing if he can expand his creativity to match his shot making. :thumbup:
 
love it. I Don't even like trick shots but that was pretty good. Did you see that table? Hour or two of pracrice.:D
 
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