Focus, Regardless of Aiming Method
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Are you still playing in that handicap league where you were getting a big spot against better players who didn't necessarily play the way you do?
The best bank players i know personally both use banking systems. Justin Hall and Mike Delawder
Dan, this is a quote from Brian "Had I been a little more determined and spent 3 or 4 seconds to ensure that 1 ball was lined up correctly, the score of the match could've been much closer. I could've used Poolology and nailed that 1 ball, but I wasn't focused, determined, willing to apply the effort this game requires."
I always argued why not use poolology for every shot, and you always argued with lame excuses not to. Care to change your mind now, not that you really understand poolology, but you get the point.
I always argued why not use poolology for every shot, and you always argued with lame excuses not to. Care to change your mind now, not that you really understand poolology, but you get the point.
I would feel comfortable backing either one of them against most in banks.
Why would you say that I don't really understand Poolology? That's a new one.
As far as "lame excuses" I'd like to ask you a question before I answer yours. Can you repeat back to me the reasoning behind not needing to apply Poolology to every shot, according to guys like Brian and me? I'm curious if you really understand the reasons you've been given and can put them in your own words.
Sorry, but I don't care what system is used. Judgment is still necessary depending on the playing conditions. If your argument is that you don't need to develop a sense of feel and you can just plug a number into a system then you are mistaken. Even Poolology, which is as close as you can get to an objective aiming system, still requires some feel on certain shots.
Amen to that. So you know Mike? He's a great guy
Well, after raving about Poololgy you then asked some very basic questions about it on here. And Brian has had to correct you when you've tried to answer other people's questions. You haven't given any legitimate reasons not to use it all the time.
So I'd rather you just answer my question.
LMAO Typical Dan answer. No one has ever denied the whole judgement for playing conditions thing, yes we all know it's real.
So, which types of shots in poolology require feel? Try to be specific if you can.
I could be wrong but my guess would be every possible shot beyond a half ball hit when you're aiming at dead space.
If I am wrong, lay it on me as far as how it's done with specific visuals for alignment and accuracy. I admit not being knowledgeable to the nth degree about poolology as opposed to the non user "experts" of CTE who waste their lives every single day for years blasting it with their half assed understanding.
If an answer does come, please make it from someone else other than Brian. How about Dan?
Tick-Tock-Tick-Tock-Tick-Tock...how long will it take...
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lol. If you say so.
OK, to answer your question, well, what is the question anyway? I just scrolled back to your post and you wanted to know if I have changed my mind about not using Poolology for every shot. The answer is "no." I could tell you exactly why, but it is the same reason I've always given and you call that lame and illegitimate.
So I'm happy to explain why Brian's miss of the 1 ball is not an endorsement for using Poolology all the time, but that answer includes some concepts we've already gone over. I'm starting to think that you don't really understand the concept so I'm simply asking for you to repeat, in your own words, the reasons that Brian does not use Poolology for the majority of his shots. If you answer that correctly then we are on the same page going forward, which I am happy to do. I am not happy to say the same things and be met with the same response that you always give so let's try it this way if you would.
Easy. Poolology provides a shot overlap that is required to pocket the ball. When the fractions are like 1/2 or 3/4 and some in between these are easy fractions to see. If they weren't Stan wouldn't call them objective and CTE wouldn't work. If a shot is a smidge over or under a calculated fraction then you have to interpolate the shot. In other words, you have to aim a touch thinner or thicker. I call this feel. If the aim is off the ob like 1/4 or shallower and you can't aim right at a spot on the ob then judgment, estimation, or feel is required. Some of it is learning how to aim a tip's width off the edge of the cue ball, and some of it is just learning how to hit into space in the right spot. (Like in CTE where you have to get good at seeing the visuals properly.) There are some small locations on the table where the system doesn't work as well as everywhere else so you have to know that and adjust by feel and experience.
Any bank shot using Poolology or CTE or any banking system requires speed control and knowledge of the table conditions. Do you think the banking experts still need a system to execute a 1 rail bank? Do they stand there with their cue and make a little angle in angle out thing with their cue and then take the shot, or do they just get down on it and hit it in? That is what I and 99% of humans call playing by feel.
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You should catch up. After that one ball miss Brian is reconsidering whether or not to use poolology all the time
Funny thing is you call poolology the most objective system out there but by your words here it sounds like it's mostly feel, judgement and estimation not objective. Where exactly are these small locations where poolology doesn't work?
Yes, most banking experts stand with there cue and figure things out. Amateurs just get down and hit it similar to what Brian did with the one ball, and that's not a knock on Brian. Brian's assessment of his match clearly points out differences in pro's and us amateurs.
Yeah, sure. Where do you come up with this stuff?
I never said it is mostly feel. Where did you even get that? If a shot is a 3/4 shot it will work just either side of 3/4 due to the pocket opening slop. This accounts for variations in playing conditions. If you can visualize a 5/8 hit this is between the 3/4 and 1/2 ball hit. The more you can visualize the more you can just aim for those spots, but at some point you just have to start aiming a little thick or a little thin of those lines as needed to pocket the ball. This is where feel comes in. Some would say it is minimal feel because your aiming target is limited on both sides. IOW, you know it is shallower than a 3/4 but thicker than a 5/8 so you just aim a touch thinner than 3/4.
There is one small spot at the foot spot where the formula doesn't work, so you can simply adjust the formula. Instead of calling a 10 you call the foot spot a 12 and then do your math. It works then.
So if I've answered your question then it is your turn. Why do Brian and I and others say you don't need to use Poolology once you have "mastered" it?
Good post. "Feel", the way most people would probably define it, is that internal gauge that tells you when your judgment is good, bad, or so so...
Take a pencil and paper and draw a 2 or 3 inch diameter circle, freehand. Is it perfect? If so, you have a very good "feel" for doing this. If not, you'll need to develop a feel for it through practice/experience.
So let's say your circle looks a bit oval or lopsided, and a friend lays a nickel on the sheet of paper and tells you to draw a circle around the nickel and to keep your line about an inch from the nickel's edge all the way around from start to finish. Using the nickel as a reference, your circle will look much better. Keep doing this, practicing your circle around the nickel, over and over. Watch your hand, the pencil tip, the nickel, etc... pay attention.
Now remove the nickel and see how well you do. If it's not much better, keep practicing with the nickel. If it seems to never get better, regardless of practice, then you probably aren't meant to be any good at it -- move on to something else, unless of course you enjoy drawing lopsided circles.
That nickel is a training tool to help develop a feel for drawing freehand circles, just as Poolology is a tool to help develop a feel for aiming pool shots. With enough practice one can develop excellent skills, so excellent that the tools won't be needed anymore. However, due to other factors that affect how well we perform (distractions, emotions, frame of mind, focus, etc...), even well developed skill/feel can falter. So it's good to keep that nickle/tool within reach in order to doublecheck yourself on occasion.
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Seriously, how much does it really take just before you get ready to pull the trigger to start the stroke to do a microsecond double check with the eyes to make sure it's all done and set as the system dictates unless it's a lot more complicated than it should be?
Supposedly, the "quiet eye" needs at least two seconds of staring at the target.
Be it shooting a basketball, hitting a tennis ball or pool.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180627-is-quiet-eye-the-secret-to-success-for-athletes
Be it shooting a basketball, hitting a tennis ball or pool.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180627-is-quiet-eye-the-secret-to-success-for-athletes