John Barton said:
oooopppssss how about Alex Pagulayan
For all the SVB worshipers . . . .
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oooopppssss how about Alex Pagulayan
Lol, he would spank most of them ten ball in a fairly long race. BET SOMETHING. Bar-table 8 ball anyone lol.
Eric.
Eric.
axejunkie said:
SVB dont rattle, their effort(i agree with your assessment) is futile. Shane does need some seasoning, he is still young and there is plenty of time, and at the end of the day will be the man to beat at 9B and 10B, who knows he might not ever be a 1P player and there is nothing wrong with that.
Wow 30 on the wire? Thats really bold of you guys! I think Bugsy was just "pool hall" talking. Just woofing. The same kind of thing that happens when people criticize Efrens break. Yeah he won all those tournaments with a real "weak" break. The fact is that the other parts of his game was so strong that was the only thing that they could criticize.
And yes there has been an air of criticism at times of Filipinos who come here and beat up on our players. Ive heard stuff like "they smell", or the "filipino" rack. Its all a part of pool. Or Earl's "make em speak english" and racist rants.
So let Bugsy say what he is going to say. I think SHane is going to keep on what he is doing. This experience was great for him and will make him a bigger better champion.
The Filipino/Chinese/European competition for pool is great. I hope that we can support and build not only SHane but a whole slew of SHane Van Boening's. ANd that is going to take some time and commitment from those in power of the pool establishment. The Asian and Europeans are far ahead of this game then us. The lack of support in the recent Qlympics proves it. Where else are our CHampions going to come from. We need our Puyats and Bugsy's. My hats off to Greg Sullivan and Mark Griffin but unless we support them we will remain far behind.
And yes there has been an air of criticism at times of Filipinos who come here and beat up on our players. Ive heard stuff like "they smell", or the "filipino" rack. Its all a part of pool. Or Earl's "make em speak english" and racist rants.
So let Bugsy say what he is going to say. I think SHane is going to keep on what he is doing. This experience was great for him and will make him a bigger better champion.
The Filipino/Chinese/European competition for pool is great. I hope that we can support and build not only SHane but a whole slew of SHane Van Boening's. ANd that is going to take some time and commitment from those in power of the pool establishment. The Asian and Europeans are far ahead of this game then us. The lack of support in the recent Qlympics proves it. Where else are our CHampions going to come from. We need our Puyats and Bugsy's. My hats off to Greg Sullivan and Mark Griffin but unless we support them we will remain far behind.
John Barton
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The Beginner said:oooopppssss how about Alex Pagulayan
Which Alex is that, the Canadian Alex or the Phillipine Alex that can't play for the Phillipines on the Guiness Tour?
The Alex I know is certainly Filipino but funnily enough he speaks with almost no accent due to the fact that he grew up in Canada.
But you're right I missed Alex. How much training and support did he receive from Buggy's "Stable" or any other Stable in the Phillipines? Did the Phillipines groom Alex?
I think not.
I think the two winners of the US Open who are Filipino were pretty much self made road hardened veterans who got plenty of seasoning in the before they won. And the other one who came in second a few times is the same way.
The point is that it was an ignorant comment. SVB is a rising star and it must suck to see your guys eclipsed by -gasp- an American. We ALL respect the Filipino players. We all know how strong your players are. There is no need to put down the players from other countries to prove how good you are.
Anyway, I will see it live on Saturday I hope! Trying to book the ticket now.
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The Alex I know is certainly Filipino but funnily enough he speaks with almost no accent due to the fact that he grew up in Canada.
Speaks a mean Kalyeng Tagalog though.
Speaks a mean Kalyeng Tagalog though.
John Barton
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I was "just woofing" too. But the "boldness" stems from idiotic comments to the effect that Shane couldn't win the local tiddlywinks contest in the Phillipines. If that's true then 30 on the wire should be easy to overcome for 10 year old players there.
John Barton said:Which Alex is that, the Canadian Alex or the Phillipine Alex that can't play for the Phillipines on the Guiness Tour?
The Alex I know is certainly Filipino but funnily enough he speaks with almost no accent due to the fact that he grew up in Canada.
But you're right I missed Alex. How much training and support did he receive from Buggy's "Stable" or any other Stable in the Phillipines? Did the Phillipines groom Alex?
I think not.
I think the two winners of the US Open who are Filipino were pretty much self made road hardened veterans who got plenty of seasoning in the before they won. And the other one who came in second a few times is the same way.
The point is that it was an ignorant comment. SVB is a rising star and it must suck to see your guys eclipsed by -gasp- an American. We ALL respect the Filipino players. We all know how strong your players are. There is no need to put down the players from other countries to prove how good you are.
Anyway, I will see it live on Saturday I hope! Trying to book the ticket now.
I'm not trying to rub it in that i am a filipino...i am not taking both side ....if someone's opinion brought up i think it will stay as an opinion...trash talk i guess that what it is....just let one filipino and SVB cues do the talking ....
John Barton
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kano said:
What it sounds like to me is that Bugsy and the rest of the PI backers need to be talking to the government to get with the US Embassy to do whatever it takes to get the visas.
I don't know much about it but I am sure that with the proper channels and proper documentation that it is not that big a deal for a "professional" athlete to get a visa to come to the USA and partake in professional events.
I would think that this is where they should be focusing IF they want the PI players to sweep all the world's events.
Personally I think that more PI players will inspire more Americans to step up their game. I hope. Americans get to the top of the food chain in the USA and they aren't challenged locally. PI players have more tough competition all the time.
Anyway enough about PI vs. USA. The fact is that SVB is the US Open Champ and although he fell to an ALWAYS tough Vilmos Foldes he still had a good first run.
We all need to remember that in the format of the WPC almost all the participants are certified WORLD BEATERS. So anyone can have a good set and if the opponent is not fully there then it's over.
SVB lost a set 10:8 It wasn't like he got blown away. He lost a close set to a tough player.
Of course he was the talk of the tournament - but why not coming off the recent triumphs he has had? And I am sure that Shane is stronger for the experience.
SVB and the phillipine players
I think the best way to solve this is to have Bugsy determine which 4 players that he thinks would like to play SVB.
Get them to the Riviera Hotel in May (during the BCAPL national 8-ball event) and we can have a good old slugfest.
They pick the players - SVB picks the order he plays them. I'm bettin' we could get over $100,000 posted. And if they are in the mood to spot, we could post 5 times that amount. These would all be LONG races - not to 11 or 15.
Obviously, I am not talking for SVB - he would be the one to say yay or nay - but just wanted all to know that the venue is there. If they want a piece of America, maybe they should come on over.
This could become a lot of fun!!!
Mark Griffin
BCAPL
I think the best way to solve this is to have Bugsy determine which 4 players that he thinks would like to play SVB.
Get them to the Riviera Hotel in May (during the BCAPL national 8-ball event) and we can have a good old slugfest.
They pick the players - SVB picks the order he plays them. I'm bettin' we could get over $100,000 posted. And if they are in the mood to spot, we could post 5 times that amount. These would all be LONG races - not to 11 or 15.
Obviously, I am not talking for SVB - he would be the one to say yay or nay - but just wanted all to know that the venue is there. If they want a piece of America, maybe they should come on over.
This could become a lot of fun!!!
Mark Griffin
BCAPL
I'm over here and hanging out with these guys every day. I talk to Perry (Bugsy) daily. He is not a big trash talker. He has an opinion like everyone else. He has never knocked Shane's game to me. In fact he complemented Shane after he beat De Luna a few nights ago. He was ready to put Gabica in the box against Shane but "Gaga" opted out of the match.
That said, NO ONE is going to give Shane any games (let alone 30 games) on the wire. So you can forget about that! Shane will have to play these guys even and that's fine with him. He has some adjusting to do next time he is over here. I have a real good idea why he didn't play his best in the WPC, but that is a personal conversation I will have with Shane and no one else.
That said, I still like Shane's game a lot. He is a great shotmaker, but he executes all his shots well, including safeties, combos, billiards, jump shots etc. He has a complete game! And he has tons of heart and a will to win! Shane is fearless and is very motivated to improve his game. I think we will continue to see big things from him for a long time. I fully expect his career to rival Johnny Archer's for consistency over the long run. There are a lot of wins left in this young man's future. And the WPC may well be one of them. I wouldn't be surprised to see him win the WPC a few times in the next ten years.
There are many good players here, but Shane can match up with any of them right now. His level of play at the U.S. Open was as good or better than anyone else who has ever played tournament 9-Ball. Stricklandesque is the word I will use to describe it. Yes, only Earl had a game quite that strong. But Earl kept his game at that level for over 15 years. It remains to be seen if Shane can as well. If he does he will be in the elite company of Earl, Buddy, Sigel, Archer and Reyes among the all time great 9-Ballers.
That said, NO ONE is going to give Shane any games (let alone 30 games) on the wire. So you can forget about that! Shane will have to play these guys even and that's fine with him. He has some adjusting to do next time he is over here. I have a real good idea why he didn't play his best in the WPC, but that is a personal conversation I will have with Shane and no one else.
That said, I still like Shane's game a lot. He is a great shotmaker, but he executes all his shots well, including safeties, combos, billiards, jump shots etc. He has a complete game! And he has tons of heart and a will to win! Shane is fearless and is very motivated to improve his game. I think we will continue to see big things from him for a long time. I fully expect his career to rival Johnny Archer's for consistency over the long run. There are a lot of wins left in this young man's future. And the WPC may well be one of them. I wouldn't be surprised to see him win the WPC a few times in the next ten years.
There are many good players here, but Shane can match up with any of them right now. His level of play at the U.S. Open was as good or better than anyone else who has ever played tournament 9-Ball. Stricklandesque is the word I will use to describe it. Yes, only Earl had a game quite that strong. But Earl kept his game at that level for over 15 years. It remains to be seen if Shane can as well. If he does he will be in the elite company of Earl, Buddy, Sigel, Archer and Reyes among the all time great 9-Ballers.
Of Course, I Won't Be Around To See THAT
And when he gets old and feeble, he can become a One-Pocket CHAMPION.
Doug
jay helfert said:
And when he gets old and feeble, he can become a One-Pocket CHAMPION.
Doug
If Cardinal Sicola Is Elected Pope, Would He Become PopeSicola....... (hits the spot)
What does the church have to do with it ?
Doug
( is the Pope behind this woofin )
vagabond said:I am speaking excathedra.
What does the church have to do with it ?
Doug
( is the Pope behind this woofin )
It wasnt an ignorant comment. It was one mans OPINION. Just like yours. What accent dont you hear. When Alex is speaking fluent Tagalog. WHat is your point? That he doesnt count as a Filipino because he dont sound like one? Thats your OPINION.
ALex wasnt groomed by the Canadian government either though they now are proud to claim him as one of there own.
I think it is fine for someone to have some critical opinion. Maybe it will help Shane look at things different as opposed to the drooling precious sentiment that is given to him by some.
He's a great cueist. He will be greater. He will weather much more negativity than what was said in the Phillipines.
ALex wasnt groomed by the Canadian government either though they now are proud to claim him as one of there own.
I think it is fine for someone to have some critical opinion. Maybe it will help Shane look at things different as opposed to the drooling precious sentiment that is given to him by some.
He's a great cueist. He will be greater. He will weather much more negativity than what was said in the Phillipines.
John Barton said:Which Alex is that, the Canadian Alex or the Phillipine Alex that can't play for the Phillipines on the Guiness Tour?
The Alex I know is certainly Filipino but funnily enough he speaks with almost no accent due to the fact that he grew up in Canada.
But you're right I missed Alex. How much training and support did he receive from Buggy's "Stable" or any other Stable in the Phillipines? Did the Phillipines groom Alex?
I think not.
I think the two winners of the US Open who are Filipino were pretty much self made road hardened veterans who got plenty of seasoning in the before they won. And the other one who came in second a few times is the same way.
The point is that it was an ignorant comment. SVB is a rising star and it must suck to see your guys eclipsed by -gasp- an American. We ALL respect the Filipino players. We all know how strong your players are. There is no need to put down the players from other countries to prove how good you are.
Anyway, I will see it live on Saturday I hope! Trying to book the ticket now.
If I said Efren was the greatest one pocket and rotation player in the universe would you try to organize a posse against him at the Riviera for 6 figures. Whats the point? Or is there more to your post than what appears? Why not play on neutral turf? Why not play in Hawaii where it is American soil but has a huge Filipino population.
I think that you were not able to get even a fair amount of entries into the US Open one pocket that a event at the BCA RIVIERA event is not really worth it for 4 Filipino champions.
I think Shane is a great player and will be even greater. Let him have some time to soak up his experience and to think about WHAT HE WANTS to do.
I think that you were not able to get even a fair amount of entries into the US Open one pocket that a event at the BCA RIVIERA event is not really worth it for 4 Filipino champions.
I think Shane is a great player and will be even greater. Let him have some time to soak up his experience and to think about WHAT HE WANTS to do.
Mark Griffin said: