For all you die hard Brunswick fans!

Couldnt you just put 1 piece slate on a GC4 and get the same thing? Or back your 3 piece slate with some good 1" stock, drop the legs an inch and convert a GC4 real cheap to a system that can be leveled at any time? Sounds pretty doable if it was set up right from the jump...

How much does a 1 piece slab cost anyways?
 
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realkingcobra said:
Protest?? This was a comparison, or a challenge depending on how you want to look at it:wink:

Glen
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You might want to Google the quotation - and some explaination...

The real wording is "The lady doth..."

Dale
 
realkingcobra said:
Does Brunswick offer a 9ft one piece 1" thick slate like this? And for those of you that would prefer a 3 piece slate, this table is offered that way as well.
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Hey Glen, why do you have the slates off ???
 
realkingcobra said:
Protest?? This was a comparison, or a challenge depending on how you want to look at it:wink:

Glen
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Both the GC & Diamond are great playing tables. Greg and Mark are very good friends off mine, and I would like to keep things as they are. You're a very good table mechanic with a great deal of knowledge, but Brunswick is not looking to set up pool tournaments in record time. Kim Steel pool tables were the first to use that type of leveling system on their tables. One piece slate is hard to move, but fast to set up. Al Conte of Brunswick started the glue system, and sales the liquid dowels, sure it's super glue of some sort, but I buy it, and use it on every table I set up. (That makes the slate one piece.) The frame of the GC is the best on the market today (IMO). I just set up a GC5 in our home poolroom of Atlanta, I also took the new cushions off, did sub rail extensions to 41/4" with brunswick super speed cushions. Feel free to stop and play on the table, and then tell me where another pool table plays better, I'll listen. I put the same set up in Johnny Archers home, he loves the table, and he's a WORLD CHAMPION !

Mark Gregory
 
perfectpocketz said:
Both the GC & Diamond are great playing tables. Greg and Mark are very good friends off mine, and I would like to keep things as they are. You're a very good table mechanic with a great deal of knowledge, but Brunswick is not looking to set up pool tournaments in record time. Kim Steel pool tables were the first to use that type of leveling system on their tables. One piece slate is hard to move, but fast to set up. Al Conte of Brunswick started the glue system, and sales the liquid dowels, sure it's super glue of some sort, but I buy it, and use it on every table I set up. (That makes the slate one piece.) The frame of the GC is the best on the market today (IMO). I just set up a GC5 in our home poolroom of Atlanta, I also took the new cushions off, did sub rail extensions to 41/4" with brunswick super speed cushions. Feel free to stop and play on the table, and then tell me where another pool table plays better, I'll listen. I put the same set up in Johnny Archers home, he loves the table, and he's a WORLD CHAMPION !

Mark Gregory
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Got any pic's of a table you've setup?
 
perfectpocketz said:
Both the GC & Diamond are great playing tables. Greg and Mark are very good friends off mine, and I would like to keep things as they are. You're a very good table mechanic with a great deal of knowledge, but Brunswick is not looking to set up pool tournaments in record time. Kim Steel pool tables were the first to use that type of leveling system on their tables. One piece slate is hard to move, but fast to set up. Al Conte of Brunswick started the glue system, and sales the liquid dowels, sure it's super glue of some sort, but I buy it, and use it on every table I set up. (That makes the slate one piece.) The frame of the GC is the best on the market today (IMO). I just set up a GC5 in our home poolroom of Atlanta, I also took the new cushions off, did sub rail extensions to 41/4" with brunswick super speed cushions. Feel free to stop and play on the table, and then tell me where another pool table plays better, I'll listen. I put the same set up in Johnny Archers home, he loves the table, and he's a WORLD CHAMPION !

Mark Gregory
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Take a look at the leveling system again Mark, Kim Steel's leveling system wasn't even close to Diamonds. A question for you, if I put Brunswick Super Speed cushions on a Diamond table, and tightened the pockets to 4 1/4" the same as you did, would you still consider the Brunswick a better table? Brunswick still only uses 3 rail bolts per rail, and they use a laminate on their rails, which don't even come close to the Dymondwood used on a Diamond table as far as durability goes. As far as Johnny goes, I believe he's a "past" world champion, not a current world champion;)

Glen
 
When comparing pool tables, if you want to really make a comparison, put the same cushions and pocket openings on both tables...then you can only look at the construction of the tables to compare them. The Diamond ProAm is in a class of it's own, and is really the one and only true commercial pool table built today. I like Brunswick GC's, I've owned 3 pool halls with them as my primary tables, but the Diamond tables are just built like a brick is all I'm saying.

Glen
 
I think what most of us took umbrage to was that you basically said that no Brunswick could compare with the Diamonds. You will have a hard tome convincing most of us who have worked/played on both(especially Mark G., who has done quite a bit of work with/through both companies, and I have helped on occasion when I lived in GA.) that the diamond has to be a superior table. It is a FANTASTIC table, but to say it is better plat out isn't true, except perhaps in your eyes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you have ever seen a slate that Mark did, there is no appreciable difference between 3 pc and 1. No doubt it takes a skilled mechanic to make it perfect, but I have seen diamonds screwed up as well. Anyways, this is jmo.
 
muttley76 said:
I think what most of us took umbrage to was that you basically said that no Brunswick could compare with the Diamonds. You will have a hard tome convincing most of us who have worked/played on both(especially Mark G., who has done quite a bit of work with/through both companies, and I have helped on occasion when I lived in GA.) that the diamond has to be a superior table. It is a FANTASTIC table, but to say it is better plat out isn't true, except perhaps in your eyes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you have ever seen a slate that Mark did, there is no appreciable difference between 3 pc and 1. No doubt it takes a skilled mechanic to make it perfect, but I have seen diamonds screwed up as well. Anyways, this is jmo.
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I've seen plenty of Diamonds screwed up as well...LOL But not at the factory level today. There's just a few things that bug me about Brunswick, for example. When ordering a table from Diamond, if the customer wants pro cut pockets, there's no extra charge. If a customer wants pro cut pockets from Brunswick, "That'll be an extra $1,000.00added to the customers order"...why is that?...when there's not one extra penny of cost to produce a set of pro pocket rails at the factory level?

Glen
 
Glen,

I understand that you are a Diamond salesman/installer and damn good at what you do.

But why do you find that you must constantly bash other table mechanics and table manufacturers???

Why not just promote Diamond without always comparing them to GC's?

Are the GC's that much competition for you?? We all already know the answer to that one!!!

Its like the cue maker that must always tell everyone how good he is - ala Eddie Wheat!! The only difference is that you and Diamond are GOOD, so why do you feel it is necessary to keep telling everyone???

I just don't get that side of you...... :confused:

Respectfully,

Russ.......
 
muttley76 said:
I think what most of us took umbrage to was that you basically said that no Brunswick could compare with the Diamonds. You will have a hard tome convincing most of us who have worked/played on both(especially Mark G., who has done quite a bit of work with/through both companies, and I have helped on occasion when I lived in GA.) that the diamond has to be a superior table. It is a FANTASTIC table, but to say it is better plat out isn't true, except perhaps in your eyes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you have ever seen a slate that Mark did, there is no appreciable difference between 3 pc and 1. No doubt it takes a skilled mechanic to make it perfect, but I have seen diamonds screwed up as well. Anyways, this is jmo.
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Thank you! You said it all!

Mark Gregory
 
realkingcobra said:
When comparing pool tables, if you want to really make a comparison, put the same cushions and pocket openings on both tables...then you can only look at the construction of the tables to compare them. The Diamond ProAm is in a class of it's own, and is really the one and only true commercial pool table built today. I like Brunswick GC's, I've owned 3 pool halls with them as my primary tables, but the Diamond tables are just built like a brick is all I'm saying.

Glen
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I have put Brunswick Super Speed Cushions on an older Oak Diamond, and did 4-1/4" sub rails on the table. The table played great. I don't think anything compares to the butcher blocked frame of a brunswick, That frame was and is light years ahead of anything on the market today. (IMO) Trust me if there's a hurricane coming, I'm getting under the Brunswick Table. (LOL)

Greg is a great person, and just about killed himself trying to give all the best players in the world the best table to play tournaments on. He's got some of the best equipment in tournaments today. Greg is a great guy, and you (REALKINGCOBRA) should respect other mechanics on here, they're not as good as you, or know as much about tables, but you don't need to talk down to them. Just be glad you have the knowledge to help some of them. I don't know a lot about things in life, but I do know I'm not the best, I just try to make tables play the way I would want mine to play for myself. You rep. Diamond Billiards Co. You get more bee's with honey than vinegar.

Hopefully Your Friend
Mark Gregory

P.S. Johnny Archer will always be a WORLD CHAMPION !!!!!!!
 
perfectpocketz said:
Both the GC & Diamond are great playing tables. Greg and Mark are very good friends off mine, and I would like to keep things as they are. You're a very good table mechanic with a great deal of knowledge, but Brunswick is not looking to set up pool tournaments in record time. Kim Steel pool tables were the first to use that type of leveling system on their tables. One piece slate is hard to move, but fast to set up. Al Conte of Brunswick started the glue system, and sales the liquid dowels, sure it's super glue of some sort, but I buy it, and use it on every table I set up. (That makes the slate one piece.) The frame of the GC is the best on the market today (IMO). I just set up a GC5 in our home poolroom of Atlanta, I also took the new cushions off, did sub rail extensions to 41/4" with brunswick super speed cushions. Feel free to stop and play on the table, and then tell me where another pool table plays better, I'll listen. I put the same set up in Johnny Archers home, he loves the table, and he's a WORLD CHAMPION !

Mark Gregory
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Are Brunswick Super Speed still made overseas ( Taiwan, I believe )?
I know of a local hall with Gc4's and his cushions are getting hard already.
 
perfectpocketz said:
I have put Brunswick Super Speed Cushions on an older Oak Diamond, and did 4-1/4" sub rails on the table. The table played great. I don't think anything compares to the butcher blocked frame of a brunswick, That frame was and is light years ahead of anything on the market today. (IMO) Trust me if there's a hurricane coming, I'm getting under the Brunswick Table. (LOL)

Greg is a great person, and just about killed himself trying to give all the best players in the world the best table to play tournaments on. He's got some of the best equipment in tournaments today. Greg is a great guy, and you (REALKINGCOBRA) should respect other mechanics on here, they're not as good as you, or know as much about tables, but you don't need to talk down to them. Just be glad you have the knowledge to help some of them. I don't know a lot about things in life, but I do know I'm not the best, I just try to make tables play the way I would want mine to play for myself. You rep. Diamond Billiards Co. You get more bee's with honey than vinegar.

Hopefully Your Friend
Mark Gregory

P.S. Johnny Archer will always be a WORLD CHAMPION !!!!!!!
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I agree with you, the Brunswick frame is the nuts, I like it better on the 4's and 5's than before. As far as "Bashing" other mechanics, I have yet to type something here on AZ that indicates "Bashing" other mechanic's yet, as I have not, nor will I, I'd rather work with other mechanic's and try and pass on my knowledge because I'm not going to be a mechanic forever...LOL.

Looking forward to meeting you someday soon Mark, I think we'd get along great:smile:

PS. I think if we got hit by any kind of hurricane or earthquake, we'd be safe under either a Brunswick GC or a Diamond...LOL

And I do agree with Joey, Diamond's won't win a beauty contest, but they will win second place...provided there's only 2 contestants:D

Glen
 
poolhustler said:
Glen,

I understand that you are a Diamond salesman/installer and damn good at what you do.

But why do you find that you must constantly bash other table mechanics and table manufacturers??? Who have I bashed? No one that I know of;)

Why not just promote Diamond without always comparing them to GC's?Who else is there to compare Diamond to?

Are the GC's that much competition for you?? What, you don't think I can work on Brunswick tables just as good as Diamonds?;) We all already know the answer to that one!!!

Its like the cue maker that must always tell everyone how good he is - ala Eddie Wheat!! The only difference is that you and Diamond are GOOD, so why do you feel it is necessary to keep telling everyone???Sometimes it takes competition to bring about changes, Brunswick now offers "Pro" cut pockets, after how many years of Diamond offering them, while Brunswick offered what...5" corner pockets? I wonder what other changes Brunswick will make when they come out with the GC6, leather bi-level pockets?

I just don't get that side of you...... :confused:

Respectfully,

Russ.......
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It's OK Russ, most don't understand me either, I work on ALL kinds of pool tables, NOT just Diamonds;) just NOT junk, and junk does NOT include Brunswick GC's just so we're clear on that, I wouldn't want you to miss understand what I said and think I was "bashing" Brunswick again or Mark..LOL
 
realkingcobra said:
It's OK Russ, most don't understand me either, I work on ALL kinds of pool tables, NOT just Diamonds;) just NOT junk, and junk does NOT include Brunswick GC's just so we're clear on that, I wouldn't want you to miss understand what I said and think I was "bashing" Brunswick again or Mark..LOL
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You are just a big ol' bully. There I said it..............:)
 
JoeyInCali said:
IF Diamond can copy the tear shaped top rail of GC, it'd be perfect imho.
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Yeah, but, the flat top rail is perfect for setting a Pina Colada on! :yikes:
 
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