For all you would-be-flamers!

this includes a table Glen did recently

your confusing Glen's glue method with the spray glue method. With Glen's method the glue is on the side of the slate. Not the top and 3.5" from the playing field.

One of these is a table that Glen did recently with the roll on glue. The guy that told me about this particular one is a friend of Glen's. Perhaps the friend was lying out of the blue but I'm a bit skeptical of that since he is a well known member here and well respected. I've known him several years myself. This would be the first time he was known to lie in many posts and many dealings on this site. I don't object to gluing on cloth, just the method Glen has used fairly recently unless we conclude that his friend chose to lie about Glen and his work.

Hu
 
The Tables are Great!!!!!!!

I just recently met Glen a couple weeks ago at Malarkeys. Malarkeys has been the room I play in for 15 years. I cant tell you how happy I was Clark decided to hire Glen, and also learn from him. (Clark has always been a pretty smart guy) I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about table mechanics, but what I can say is the tables Glen and Clark have finished play FANTASTIC!!!!!!.
It makes me very proud that Malarkeys will again be one of the rooms in the Pacific NW with the best playing tables!!!!!!!!

Thats it. Thats all I wanted to say.
As far as the "debating" on this thread. Im out. I like Hu and Glen.
Life is waaaay to short imo. :wink:

PS. My first impression of Glen. His passion for his work shines very bright.
I was impressed. Nice guy too.
 
Glen, you are indeed the best that I have ever seen so please please please pretty please with 860 on top keep up the post because I never get tired of looking a perfection. I am not a mechanic I know talent when I see it and I always wondered how you got that Shirt Collar look on the pockets and now I know. Now the next thing that is on my list to wonder about is how you get glue to hold down your cloth man that really preys on my mind. Any way keep up the good work and keep the post coming.

Chi2dxa (The last of the Jedi Knights)
 
One of these is a table that Glen did recently with the roll on glue. The guy that told me about this particular one is a friend of Glen's. Perhaps the friend was lying out of the blue but I'm a bit skeptical of that since he is a well known member here and well respected. I've known him several years myself. This would be the first time he was known to lie in many posts and many dealings on this site. I don't object to gluing on cloth, just the method Glen has used fairly recently unless we conclude that his friend chose to lie about Glen and his work.

Hu

Okay, I believe you now. thanks for informing me that I also put glue on top of the slates.
 
One of these is a table that Glen did recently with the roll on glue. The guy that told me about this particular one is a friend of Glen's. Perhaps the friend was lying out of the blue but I'm a bit skeptical of that since he is a well known member here and well respected. I've known him several years myself. This would be the first time he was known to lie in many posts and many dealings on this site. I don't object to gluing on cloth, just the method Glen has used fairly recently unless we conclude that his friend chose to lie about Glen and his work.

Hu

Hu, take a look at where Clark is rolling out the glue in the pictures I provided, do you see him putting any glue on the top side of the slate? I just love the "he said, she said" comments by your "friend"....digging a little deep on this one aren't you?

Glen
 
You've questioned his glue method, his use of roofing nails under the 4 feet, and his use of a wood strip in the french fold.

Anyone else here care to offer a critique on these procedures?
I've no ulterior motive in asking these questions. I'd simply like to know.
Thanks,
Matt

The 3M-10 adhesive gives a stronger bond then spray adhesive (3M77/90) which many mechanics including myself have used for years. I've been using 3M-10 since I was introduced to it a year ago. As an aside, adhesive of any type is applied to the slate edge, not the slate top although some may get up there from inadvertant overspray but it presents no problem.

The wood coaster w/roofing nails is an excellent way to prevent carpet indentation marks from the table legs. Surprised nobody else ever thought of this easy fix.

The french folds in the pockets use plastic straping tape, not wood, to give the pockets a clean and finished look. The wood strips you may have seen were to build out the slate liners to be flush with the vertical slate edge. These are both methods I now use as required.

I've also learned a slight modification to installing cloth on the slate which makes finishing off the pocket cuts much easier.

I could go on with some other tips but I'll just add that NOBODY else has freely posted better ways to do various aspects of table work. My hat is off to Glen as a leader looking to share better practices for table mechanics and set standards that table owners should demand rather then accept hack work.
 
Hard as it is to believe...

I always like RKC's posts because they're loaded with photos of his good work. He has a right to be proud, everything looks perfect and from the testimonials it sounds like he's the real deal. The tables play as good as they look.

Hu meanwhile generally makes pretty interesting, sensible, levelheaded posts. I can't see him being on the wrong end of a conflict. So it's hard to figure out how these two could come to be fighting. It gives me FEELINGS OF SAD.

Hard as it is to believe, an RKC table plays better than it looks. And they look unbelievable. Ask anyone he did a table for.

btw..I lmao at the haters. What thing are you the best there is at? Other than jealousy?
 
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Another idiot in love with himself..

Gotta love morons who love the sound of their own voice... Hey, dipschitt, ALL GOLD CROWNS have a crown in the slate... That's what happens to 50 year old tables... The trick is to know how to get those slates level, too... Usually with shims..

Maybe that's why you have a reputation for not being able to put together anything but a crappy one piece slate table that could never play as well as a Gold Crown..

Anyone can put together a table with a perfect slate... LOL, I mean we did land on the moon, and that was 40 years ago, dummy!..
 
Gotta love morons who love the sound of their own voice... Hey, dipschitt, ALL GOLD CROWNS have a crown in the slate... That's what happens to 50 year old tables... The trick is to know how to get those slates level, too... Usually with shims..

Maybe that's why you have a reputation for not being able to put together anything but a crappy one piece slate table that could never play as well as a Gold Crown..

Anyone can put together a table with a perfect slate... LOL, I mean we did land on the moon, and that was 40 years ago, dummy!..

Seriously? You should have a clue before you talk "schitt" about other people. Can you explain how you would fix a crown by shimming? I wish all you know-it-alls would check your ego before stepping to the experts. Oh, sorry, I mean the peanut gallery.
 
Seriously? You should have a clue before you talk "schitt" about other people. Can you explain how you would fix a crown by shimming? I wish all you know-it-alls would check your ego before stepping to the experts. Oh, sorry, I mean the peanut gallery.

LOL... "Check my ego?"... I was replying to king ego himself... Listen, dummy... There are literally thousands of people who know how to put a pool table together, properly... What you do is nothing special... Quit acting like it is..
 
I can't see those pictures while at work, but I'll take your word on it that they're bad.

Unfortunately, the peanut gallery can't be people who were taught BY glen, that would make you a tad bit biased.

In order to know if other mechanics think Glen is the best, it would have to be those taught by others or self taught, that are considered some of the best in the business in their own right.

I honestly don't think that we could get an unbiased viewpoint from them either, because many of them have been either directly bashed by Glen, or have been inferred by Glen to be "lower quality". So we are unfortunately stucj in a zen riddle or catch 22.

Any of the mechanics out there that DO support Glen and that are or were trained by him can't be unbiased and it seems that Glen has ostricised the majority of the remaining top mechanics with his abrasive manner.

So my illustration of knowing who the best in a given industry is can't really apply here.

Is that to say that Glen isn't a damn good mechanic? No.

I put K66 rails on my custom, but fortunately, it was meant for K66 rails, but what's funny is that I've built tables from scratch and I prefer K66 rails for any table. I don't understand how someone can say that this is the only way to do it, and I want to make it so no one does it any other way.

The arrogance of that statement is just disgusting, it reminds me of liberals who say that the populace doesn't know what's best for them and I do, so we have to do what the populace doesn't want because it's best for them.

Screw what's best for me in glen's eyes. I'll play on what I feel plays best.

Now I am aware that appears to contradict what I said about knowing who the best mechanic is, but not really.

The way a cue plays or a table plays is subjective and different people are going to prefer different things.

I personally don't like the way the rails bounce on most diamonds I have played on, I find it difficult to get transfered spin to work, and they don't bounce how you would expect.

I have also ran into GCs that don't bounce the way I expect. The vast majority of the GCs I;ve played on played better to me than the diamonds, although nothing can beat the way a diamond rolls true, atleast the one piece slate models, although I did once redo a nine foot turn of the century brunswick that had a 1 3/4" one piece slate (took six of us to move the fuecker), that would rival any table, although the sloping legs made shooting from some positions ackward.

I hate using glue, but some mechanics love it. I hated it mostly because of having to clean it off the slates to redo the table. Some tables that we did, we had to use glue because the slates didn't have a wood backing.

we made some tables by hand from scratch and in some ways they were better than the majority of the tables out there, but I would've never stated that we were the best table manufacturer and that I had to change the way other table manufacturers did business. Take that shit to communist china or something, these teeth are meant to cut meat not chop carrots you silly faggot (little bit of humor thrown in). Do a good job in a free market and you'll get rewarded.

The biggest complaints I've heard is on the time it takes to get Glen to come out and following through on what has been done.

Glen, expand and you won't have that problem.

hire five or ten people and spend a couple of months teaching them the right way to do tables according to Glen and put yourself out into the market, instead of focusing on YOUR name and you being the best put it into a company name so that you aren't limited and see what the market will bear. Hell, with the demand you seem to get, I'd be willing to put a corporation together for you and work out the kinks of the logistics.

I'm not against you Glen, I just think that your professionalism could use some adjustment.

Jaden

Wow. You criticize us for being trained by Glen, then in the same post say he should expand and hire more people? I was personally taught by a room owner's installer about 10 years ago. He's one of the thousands TeddyDog is referring to that can install a table. What TD doesn't realize is there's really a pretty small percentage that do what we do "properly" as he says while in the midst of name-calling people he knows nothing about.

It wasn't hard with a little common sense to figure out that the idiot that was training me took short cuts and the job could be done better.

After he left town, I was trained by the room owner himself who had been working on tables for 20 years at the time. He does good work and takes pride in it, but does it the way 95% of the people in the coutry do it.

After learning from him, I took the lead of his install crew. Once out on the road myself, I tweaked and learned on my own for a few years.

So for 10 years, I've been trained by a stone cold idiot, trained by someone who takes pride in their work, and self taught. At that point, I thought I was pretty good at my job. Then I worked along side Glen. His methods are better, and his results are better, and not just because he says so. I know enough about my trade to form my own opinion about what I like.

Calling me biased for preferring those methods and results is like calling a Lamborghini owner biased for preferring them because they drove one. I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly, and I don't appreciate being criticized for preferring the best I've seen.
 
I know everybody, dipschitt... I've only been doing this for 20 years!..

The guy that had done the work in the pictures I posted has been working on tables for 30 years, so that means nothing.

You can sing the alphabet song for 20 years. That doesn't mean you can write best-selling novels.
 
One, I didn't criticize you....

Wow. You criticize us for being trained by Glen, then in the same post say he should expand and hire more people? I was personally taught by a room owner's installer about 10 years ago. He's one of the thousands TeddyDog is referring to that can install a table. What TD doesn't realize is there's really a pretty small percentage that do what we do "properly" as he says while in the midst of name-calling people he knows nothing about.

It wasn't hard with a little common sense to figure out that the idiot that was training me took short cuts and the job could be done better.

After he left town, I was trained by the room owner himself who had been working on tables for 20 years at the time. He does good work and takes pride in it, but does it the way 95% of the people in the coutry do it.

After learning from him, I took the lead of his install crew. Once out on the road myself, I tweaked and learned on my own for a few years.

So for 10 years, I've been trained by a stone cold idiot, trained by someone who takes pride in their work, and self taught. At that point, I thought I was pretty good at my job. Then I worked along side Glen. His methods are better, and his results are better, and not just because he says so. I know enough about my trade to form my own opinion about what I like.

Calling me biased for preferring those methods and results is like calling a Lamborghini owner biased for preferring them because they drove one. I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly, and I don't appreciate being criticized for preferring the best I've seen.


Firstly, I didn't ciriticize you or anyone that has been taught by Glen, I stated that someone stating that Glen is the best after being taught by him would have to be taken with a grain of salt.

To use your illustration, If a designer of Lamborghinis was asked what the best car was, you would expect him to say lamborghinis. If someone who was trained as a mechanic on Lamborghinis by that designer, you would expect them to say that he is the best designer.

It's not a matter of criticizing you, I'm just stating the obvious fact that you would be biased in giving a fair appraisal of his skill.

I have NEVER stated that Glen isn't skilled, nor have I said that his methods aren't good, nor have I even stated that he ISN'T the best mechanic.

What I have stated is that his attitude isn't right and I will stand by that till the end. This isn't boxing, or MMA or WWF, you don't need to call out your competition as a way of getting inside their head or drumming up interest.

Besides which, you're likely to lose more business than you gain by using that tactic. Does that mean he'll lose enough business from employing that tactic to put him out of business??? NO....

There's always people who will choose aesthetics over substance, or a better way of putting it would be the end results over an eccentric attitude.

I, personally, am willing to pay more and get less from someone with a good attitude than someone with a bad one, someone who has shown good business practices over someone who shows bad ones.

I am an amatuer car mechanic and do most of my own work. But I have recently found an honest mechanic who doesn't overcharge or make up bogus stuff wrong with the car. I could probably find someone who's a better mechanic or do most things myself, but I will go to him in some cases where I could've done it myself or when I have to wait for him to be able to do it.

Not because he charges less or is the best mechanic, but because I can trust him and his professionalism is beyond question.

If he talked down about other mechanics, I wouldn't use him. If I go to the BEST mechanic in the world, and all I hear him say is how good he is and how all other mechanics suck and if I don't like him saying it I can go pound sand, I wouldn't use him if it was for free.

It's sad that more people aren't like me, because then the business ethics in this country might not have deteriorated as badly as they have.

If he were to focus on putting a business of table mechanics together and stop talking down about other top mechanics and their practices, I wouldn't have a problem with him at all. As I've stated, he does good work from what I've seen.

I haven't talked down about his work and I haven't "criticized you or any other mechanic that he has taught".

I have only criticized Glen's professionalism and I think it could still use some work.

You can't please all the people all the time, so the saying goes...

Some people obviously like to defend Glen and some people obviously still want him to work on their tables, with skill, comes demand. I just wish that he would let his skill speak for itself. A lesson I've had to learn myself, the hard way...

Jaden
 
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Diamonds are junk..

The other guy is right... Diamonds are complete junk.. GCI, or Centennials are the only way to fly... There was also a model that I cannot remember the name of that was a precursor to the GCI, and that model, though very rare, is also a great table (it had the same slate design as the GCI)..

Viscount, I believe, was the name of the model...
 
The 3M-10 adhesive gives a stronger bond then spray adhesive (3M77/90) which many mechanics including myself have used for years. I've been using 3M-10 since I was introduced to it a year ago. As an aside, adhesive of any type is applied to the slate edge, not the slate top although some may get up there from inadvertant overspray but it presents no problem.

The wood coaster w/roofing nails is an excellent way to prevent carpet indentation marks from the table legs. Surprised nobody else ever thought of this easy fix.

The french folds in the pockets use plastic straping tape, not wood, to give the pockets a clean and finished look. The wood strips you may have seen were to build out the slate liners to be flush with the vertical slate edge. These are both methods I now use as required.

I've also learned a slight modification to installing cloth on the slate which makes finishing off the pocket cuts much easier.

I could go on with some other tips but I'll just add that NOBODY else has freely posted better ways to do various aspects of table work. My hat is off to Glen as a leader looking to share better practices for table mechanics and set standards that table owners should demand rather then accept hack work.

Thanks Dartman for the reply to my questions. Sounds like you have thumbups on the procedures we've asked about.

With all due respect, have you worked with Glen? As some have implied, if you have, then your opinion may be biased and some will discount it. It's a tough crowd here.
 
The guy that had done the work in the pictures I posted has been working on tables for 30 years, so that means nothing.

You can sing the alphabet song for 20 years. That doesn't mean you can write best-selling novels.

LOL, yeah... When you write a best selling novel, then let me know... Till then, all you are is a guy who puts pool tables together...

And like I said, I'm sure he does good work... My brother has attested to that... But if he brought that attitude into my house, he wouldn't last 30 seconds..
 
The other guy is right... Diamonds are complete junk.. GCI, or Centennials are the only way to fly... There was also a model that I cannot remember the name of that was a precursor to the GCI, and that model, though very rare, is also a great table (it had the same slate design as the GCI)..

Viscount, I believe, was the name of the model...

Ah yeah. The pretzel leg table. Terrible design. I've seen a ton of them. Trusting those legs to support the slate always scared me.
 
LOL, yeah... When you write a best selling novel, then let me know... Till then, all you are is a guy who puts pool tables together...

And like I said, I'm sure he does good work... My brother has attested to that... But if he brought that attitude into my house, he wouldn't last 30 seconds..

Nope. Don't write novels. Just slap pool tables together. I've already told you guys I'm just a member of the so-called peanut gallery. ;)
 
LOL, yeah... When you write a best selling novel, then let me know... Till then, all you are is a guy who puts pool tables together...

And like I said, I'm sure he does good work... My brother has attested to that... But if he brought that attitude into my house, he wouldn't last 30 seconds..


Wow. Way to make friends and influence enemies. You come outta the shoot as a new poster by calling people names like a grade schooler and make absolute statements (ex. "diamonds are crap"). And then you make a statement like this about attitude? No one that doesn't know you can take you seriously posting such aggression and controversial positions.

Glen may be arrogant, but...

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