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Jay

You pretty much got it. A quick tuneup does not mean your overall game is well oiled, especially in pressure matches. It is the little things that go wrong that you notice, and it eats its way into your confidence. That is why you end up losing to someone who would normally not beat you.
 
Ya know. They say you should never try, you should just do. Trying means you are leaving a possibility to fail. Sadly, I fail more than succeed so I keep it real and try. Hahaha :)

i can fully relate. Iws just thinking, I have just turned 60 and been playing for nearly 40 years off and on. I wonder g if I have made more 9 balls or hung up more 8 balls over the 40 years??
Oh well, I will keep trying!
 
Rich from STL that owned a pool hall?

You probably need to play more pool to stay consistent.

Al do you know who Jay is speaking of?

Rich used to own a pool room in STL?

Does not ring a bell, maybe it was longer than 20 years ago?

Nice shooting Jay. 2 games down.
 
I just read it again and I think there is a lot of valuable information on this thread for nearly every pool player. I believe all of us can relate in some way to what is being said here. In other words, there is a good lesson here for just about everyone. You just have to find it! :thumbup:
 
Al do you know who Jay is speaking of?

Rich used to own a pool room in STL?

Does not ring a bell, maybe it was longer than 20 years ago?

Nice shooting Jay. 2 games down.

I'd guess him to be in his early to mid 40's. He also said he was from St. Louis and has been out here about ten years. A real gentleman to play with by the way. Absolutely no sharking or moves of any kind! When I made a nice bank, he would say, "Good shot!" I will definitely play this guy again.
 
St.louis

I'd guess him to be in his early to mid 40's. He also said he was from St. Louis and has been out here about ten years. A real gentleman to play with by the way. Absolutely no sharking or moves of any kind! When I made a nice bank, he would say, "Good shot!" I will definitely play this guy again.

I was wondering who this was also, mark is twice my age so I hoped he would know
 
I met Hawaiin Jimmy in Vegas APA one year. He does play well. Was not fun for me but my crowd enjoyed seeing me humbled. LOL
 
Lil Ricky?

I was wondering who this was also, mark is twice my age so I hoped he would know

I know Rick Van Uhm moved to CA about 10-12 yrs ago. He is a gentleman gambler. Not sure if he owned a pool hall in St Louis? I also have only been around the pool scene here for about 10 yrs.
 
might keep your opponent distracted as well

I remember some of the road agents of yesteryear that would pass through New Orleans and visit the Sport Palace and sometimes they would bring a gal with them and most always, she was a "looker". For some reason, she almost always knew exactly when to move and just when to talk. :D
 
Hello Jay. I find the thing that holds me back is the fire doesn't burn as hot anymore. Once upon a time I would chew the legs off the table to win. Now, I know it is only money and if I lose, the sun comes up anyway. I am like you, play on and off. Practice a little here and there. I can even "feel it" once in awhile. It's just like the old days. But in the end I don't think guys our age have the focus.

There is one thing that will get the fire stoked for a short period. Playing a cocky young guy that thinks this old man is a toothless has been. Nothing is sweeter than the the look on their face when you take them down.
 
My .02 based on me and my game, not knowing you.

Stamina - I have a buddy that shoots great for the firstg hour then starts slipping, I see it in poker as well.

Speed - I play my best when my opponent is playing strong...I'll run out or two shot a threat but if they are missing for some reason I do to...Its very hard for me to go for the jugular of a weaker player.

over confidence - maybe you shouldnt have taken the shot that you missed causing you to loose? Its easy to want to go for the nuts when your game is on and try a tough shot.

You got hustled - Its not the first 2-3 that count its the last 2-3. I'll play speed for the first game or two and see what I'm up against, giving a fish the first 2 games keeps him on line...makes him believe he has a chance. Its easy to convince some one they lost because "they" did "something" that caused the loss and "I" got lucky...

IMO, if you won the first two, then it went back and forth but you never got back to two up or more...you got hustled.
 
I know Rick Van Uhm moved to CA about 10-12 yrs ago. He is a gentleman gambler. Not sure if he owned a pool hall in St Louis? I also have only been around the pool scene here for about 10 yrs.

Next time I will ask him his whole name.
 
Gambling

It sounds to me like your problem was probably 100% mental. You could have possibly worn just a little, but doubtful. I play horribly, but feel my mental game is phenomenal, and here is why:

1. Only play games where you are not "worried" about the outcome. This can be accomplished two different way:
- feel confident that you can control your game and his is not so much stronger than you that you will get run over (if you accept this, you can play consistent without letting their periods of good play affect you)
- feel confident that losing will not jeopardize the rest of your career. If you think you will/might lose you should not bet so much that you can now not eat/live.

2. Know that periods of both exceptional and poor play will come. Play through one short slump and you will make it up during the exceptional play. If you cannot fade the short poor period, you will always be a loser because you will "decide" that you are a loser.

3. Compliment the opponent's shot and remain even composure. If he does not feel that you are afraid or impressed, he will not likely catch any freewheel gear that you cannot fade.
 
Once your in stroke it's 90% Mental :-)

You probably need to play more pool to stay consistent.

Jay I know from your postings that your a much better player then I am.

So You already know don't play down to your competion & Once your in stroke it's 90% Mental :-) GOOD LUCK!
 
The Answer.........

I LOVE you guys! So much food for thought here. I always learn something (and relearn other things) when I ask questions on here. You guys have hit all the right buttons for me. I think maybe I expected a little too much of myself (we are our own worst critics) right away, with very little practice time. I did get a bit mentally fatigued and lost some (a lot) of my rhythm and focus. Some great responses on here! Thanks again.

Bottom line - pool is a tough game to play at a high level. It takes WORK and lots of it. True I'm a pretty busy man, but if I'm serious about playing well, I just have to put in the work. I guess I already knew that. You guys just reminded me that there aren't any short cuts. Okay, I'm off to hit balls. :)

Jay,

.....The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.......

No quick answer, practice, focus and practice some more...And it gets better...

Happy New Year!

See you at DCC.

Will Prout
 
First of all, HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone!

Now I want to discuss a little problem I have and see what kind of support I can get from the gang on here.

I have just started playing again in the last week or so. I'm trying to get ready to play in the Banks at DCC. I haven't played in several years there. And in truth I haven't played much pool for about two years. Maybe once or twice a month just hitting a few balls. Really, almost zero play except for an occasional foray in the Philippines.

So now I started hitting balls again last week, an hour or so here and there. After a few days my buddy Adrian (a decent player) came by and we got into a pretty good Bank Pool session, maybe 10 or 12 games. Now I feel ready to go challenge someone, and sweeten the game with a small bet. So off I go to Hard Times, looking for a Bank Pool game. I know Hawaiian Jimmy will play me, he has before. He's a very good player, better than me at all games except Banks.

I run into him right away, but he already has a game, with Lou Sardo the guy who invented the Sardo rack. Someone steers me to Long Beach Rich, a guy I don't know. They tell me he plays Jimmy even at One Pocket, so I know he's good. He used to own a poolroom in St. Louis, that's all I know. He's standing outside smoking, so I walk up to him and say hello. "Would you like to play some Banks," I ask him. Sure he says! Just like that. No questions, nothing, just a quick yes. This guy is a player!

I go grab a bite to eat and come back and he's on a table waiting for me. Here we go, ACTION! He lets me warm up a bit and now we discuss the game. We decide on Short Rack Banks for 40 a game. Not a big game but definitely action.

I start out strong, winning the first two games with some solid banking. The scores are like 5-3 and 5-4. The third game also goes 4-4 and he wins. In the fourth game, I start hitting the points and get a little discouraged. My game begins to slip and I lose some confidence. I end up losing two games after three hours of play. Now I'm left to wonder why my game slipped after the initial three or four games.

No question that the Gold Crown takes some adjusting to after only playing on my Diamond for so long. But that's not it. I also know I need some "conditioning" to playing in money games again, especially against a good player, who I'm told is in there every day. What I don't know is why I let down and my game slipped a notch or two, allowing him to win.

I had no problem early on with the table or the game. But as soon as I felt a little doubt creep in, my game began to get sluggish. I couldn't maintain my edge. What I want to know is if any of you have experienced this and what (if anything) can you do to overcome it? I know that I need to play more, and games like this are good for me. I got some real tough action and didn't lose a lot of money ($80). Of course I would rather win, even for a small bet.

Maybe Brumback can help me out here. I want to play my best all the time. Is that unrealistic. I don't feel my age when I'm playing Banks. I truly feel like I can still play this game at a high level. I made some shots last night that had the small crowd watching oohing and aahing. I liked that!

Anyway if anyone has any suggestions for me they would be much appreciated. By the way, my buddy Adrian watched the game and afterward he said that my banks lost a little zip after the first few games. That was a reflection of my loss in confidence I think. I'm just wondering what I need to do to get over this hump. Thanks

Geese used to go into the bathroom and come out with his nose running and never miss another ball. lol
"country" Bob
 
Just remember what Butch and the rest of them up at the Palace would say... :banghead:

Gerry S
 
it is what it is.

Jay, your a friend of mine and I know you'll take this information and benefit from it. You said that you were playing for $40 a game, can't you see it, really. It's obvious to me that you were playing out side of your comfort zone, try playing the same guy for $10 a game and you'll feel like a different player.;) Todays the first day of the year and I want you to start the year off on a positive note, get back with me in a week or so and let me knnow how your doing.:thumbup2:

By the way, Happy New Year.:D

Billy I.
 
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