Frost vs Alex - 1 Pocket Match on Monday for $40,000

[JAM]

I watched almost the whole thing. I learned many shots. Thrilling? No, interesting, yes.



Pro matches generally benefit my game when I focus on the match.



Sometimes. Mostly it's borderline juvenile and distracting. I enjoy the actual match much more when I don't have the chat going. Once in while though a good conversation develops but it's rare in my opinion. Also it seems that there are some trolls who frequent every stream and they say the same things to cause controversy which also detracts from the quality of the chats.

Thanks the explanation, John. I always wondered what was the biggest attraction to the livestreams, the chat windows, a place to hang out with other pool peeps, or the actual pool-playing content.

I have not watched too many livestreams, mainly because I can't spend that much time in front of the computer when I am not working. I need a break from it. :frown:

The livestreams I have watched, though, it seems like the chat topics are not often about the match itself; rather, they discuss anything and everything else unrelated to pool, even. Which is fine! Chatting with friends on the rail can be fun, and the chat window is, indeed, the virtual rail.

There are always complaints about the commentating of livestreams, it seems. We all have different likes and dislikes about what we want to hear. A good commentary, however, complements the match, and the good commentators, like Jerry Forsyth or Billy Incardona, knows when to speak and when to not speak. They recognize the rhythm in a pool match, and that takes experience to be able to go with the flow in that rhythm of a commentated match.

Interesting, this livestreaming phenomenon.

 

[JAM]

Jam - are you talking about the same match where a handful of guys had to turn the bartable on its side to get the oversized cueball out??

I believe it was upstairs at the exec west. That was a hell of show both on and off the table.

Yeah, I think that's the same one I'm referring to. :grin-square:

 

[xianmacx]

Yeah, I think that's the same one I'm referring to. :grin-square:

Wow, that's a great picture. Jam, I know Keith is in a much better place in his life, but please tell him, he is sorely missed. There is NO ONE that could hold court like "Keither with the ether".

Do you know the stocky guys name standing next to Keith? I played him some 3 cushion when he came through Cincy about 10 years ago. I think he is from WV.

Ian

 

[JAM]

Wow, that's a great picture. Jam, I know Keith is in a much better place in his life, but please tell him, he is sorely missed. There is NO ONE that could hold court like "Keither with the ether".

Do you know the stocky guys name standing next to Keith? I played him some 3 cushion when he came through Cincy about 10 years ago. I think he is from WV.

Ian

I know who you mean. He was hanging out with us a lot. We fondly called him "Flat Nose." I can't remember his name, though. :embarrassed2:

 

[TATE]

I bet on Alex because he's a world beater, but I must admit, Frost made some freaky- amazing shots.

In my opinion, Scott:

- makes long blind cuts better than anybody I've ever seen

- his feel for bank accuracy and object ball speed is pretty much inhuman.

- his knowledge of the table for one pocket is amazing.

That being said, Alex has the finer cue ball control which plays huge dividends in both offense and defense. Alex rarely made a positional error but Scott did and that cost him.

I don't know if Corey Deuel has played Scott in a big money match, but that would be a good game. Corey also has that amazing cue ball control and I've seen him play a riskier version of the game than Alex.

We rarely see this level of one pocket - it was great and it also showed it can be an exciting game to view.

 

[jhanso18]

I'd love to know how everyone determined the favorite in this.

Who's been in more action with great players lately?

Who shoots better?

Who banks better?

Who runs the balls better?

Who kicks better?

Who moves better?

Who's more likely to sell out?

They both bet high all the time, bet is high enough they'll both try hard, I don't think either is going to dog it.

Walk through those questions.

So this about summed up the match then?

This is exactly what I was thinking. It seems like all these specialty guys (Banks, 1p, bar-box guys, etc.) are good, but if they play a real GREAT player like Alex, Shane, Busty, etc. they come up short, even in their own specialty.

So I wonder will Scott now have the, "I'll play any one in here even for $xxxxx," offer on the table?

I wish I could have watched the whole thing, but I still had stuff to get done at 11 my time, and I needed to sleep.

Thanks again POV Pool!!!!!!!!!

best,

Justin

 

[garczar]

Guess it's time for a new dvd, "Powerfully Stupid One-Pocket", for a player with his so-called firepower, SF sure shoots some iify shots. AP played great for sure but SF made his work easier.

 

[JB Cases]

I think if there would have been a Diamond there then Scott would have said flip it. The guy commenting at the end said it best though. Play on the table you're on and put the balls in the hole like you're supposed to.

 

[xianmacx]

Someone said it before the match... (Not taking anything away from scott), but his style looks way more powerful giving dippy 18-4 or whatever. Scott can shoot some of those "iffy" shots, with big rewards if he makes them and very rarely punished if he misses. I think knowing the guy shooting back at you IS going to make you pay puts a hitch in things...

I think the match would have been much better on the TAR 4.25 table. It plays much faster, truer and IMO would have made the match much closer possible with a different outcome. It just suits scotts style more than the mud box they played on last night. It reminded me of a bar table the way english didn't take and how balls just came to am almost abrupt stop.

 

[THE PICK]

In that match he just was not best player at the table. They will play again someday and I will probably bet on Scot. Can any one remenber the old days when a player would walk into the no AC pool rooms and take a stick off the wall and say who wants to play.

 

[Put_upor_shutup]

Scott played at about 50%..Alex didn't actually play as good as ppl think..Scott had a ton of opportunities..I have seen good one pocket and I don't think either of em played good.

 

[Chesscat]

commentary

I agree with CreeDo about the commentary 100%. It was laughable, except it wasn't funny.

 

[Cornerman]

I think if there would have been a Diamond there then Scott would have said flip it. The guy commenting at the end said it best though. Play on the table you're on and put the balls in the hole like you're supposed to.

Box was his name I believe. He was awesome for guys like me and you on the chat. He said things plain and simple.

Freddie

 

[cleary]

I think if there would have been a Diamond there then Scott would have said flip it. The guy commenting at the end said it best though. Play on the table you're on and put the balls in the hole like you're supposed to.

I wish I could find a recording of this. I only watched the first 5 or 6 games, but it was brutal. Scott was a sell-out machine. What I saw was pretty ugly and somewhat careless. Anyone know if he was staked, played with is own or a mix of the two? I don't think I've ever seen Scott play that sloppy.. maybe he picked up the pace after I fell asleep?

 

[Cornerman]

I have seen good one pocket

You're the only one.

 

[watchez]

Scott played at about 50%..Alex didn't actually play as good as ppl think..Scott had a ton of opportunities..I have seen good one pocket and I don't think either of em played good.

Exactly - I would say on this performance, you can drop Scott down to the fifth best one pocket player in the world.

 

[Nostroke]

It is interesting to read all of the opinions on here, some are totally clueless and others are spot on. The match is being staked on both ends, 10 hour time limit each day. 8 ahead between these two guys will not take all that long, 10 hours a day for 2-3 days I am guessing but someone could run over the other in 1 day but not very likely. Someone asked who is the last person he beat even for the cash, well that was Efren Reyes I believe in the past 2-3 times. You do not see Efren jumping up to play Frost anymore, his own words were "Scott is the best now.".

For those of you who think Alex runs balls better then Scott in one pocket are crazy, I have seen the guy run 15 and out more times then I can count, 16s, 17s, and even 18 and out all in the same day! Sure it was Dippy Dave he ran those balls against but for all of you without a clue, Dippy probably plays better then most people on the forum especially in one pocket but still got 18-4. The best player in your area who is not a pro will probably get 10-6 (and not like it) from Scott just to put it into perspective on just how good he is, the spot is an illusion when you do not get a shot and the other guy runs to his number just as easily or better then you run to your number. Alex might be a straighter shooter but he does not run the balls better, there are more to running balls in one pocket and even 14.1 then being the straighter shooter, you need to know how to run the balls also.

Is Alex the better all around player?, sure he is, he is probably the best all around player in the world right now but this is not an all around, its one pocket. I think in 8 ahead the best player will rise to the top, that is what this is all about, the best player in a long session for some serious money. If Scott plays one pocket and moves on Alex then Alex is in trouble, if they turn it into a shooting exhibition it is a coin flip. I think Scott runs ball better then Alex in one pocket, banks better but we can call that a tie too if you believe it and moves better but we are not calling that one a tie, all advantages are slight but all ad up in the end. These are just my opinions on it all though, obviously you know who I am rooting for and my opinion is backed with cash too. So all of you no betting people with opinions get in the action room and make your opinion worth something! :thumbup:

Does he want to play again?

 

[jhanso18]

Someone said it before the match... (Not taking anything away from scott), but his style looks way more powerful giving dippy 18-4 or whatever. Scott can shoot some of those "iffy" shots, with big rewards if he makes them and very rarely punished if he misses. I think knowing the guy shooting back at you IS going to make you pay puts a hitch in things...

I think the match would have been much better on the TAR 4.25 table. It plays much faster, truer and IMO would have made the match much closer possible with a different outcome. It just suits scotts style more than the mud box they played on last night. It reminded me of a bar table the way english didn't take and how balls just came to am almost abrupt stop.

A better table would have hurt Scott worse. Better equipment is only going to make a better player EVEN BETTER.

 

[Put_upor_shutup]

Exactly - I would say on this performance, you can drop Scott down to the fifth best one pocket player in the world.

Ha ha if Scott played like this on the daily I'm not sure he would break top 10..It was entertaining to say the least..Like watching a movie..with actors..and a plot.

 

[xianmacx]

A better table would have hurt Scott worse. Better equipment is only going to make a better player EVEN BETTER.

In most cases I agree with that. Not always though playing the pinoys as mentioned by JAM. They are so comfortable playing on very bad tables. IMO a better table would have improved Alex play maybe 10% but Scotts play maybe 25%.