FYI Robotic Testing and "CORKED" Shafts

[tinman467]

At the price of $600 for the A++, probally not, but if one of the lesser wood grades plays the same I'd be interested in seeing what it could do.

And contrary to what you "insert explenetive here" have said I'd buy from this guy.

BUT NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE OR BERATE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING!!! RESPECT GET'S RESPECT!!!

BLACK CAT

Ummm...I believe the gentleman said in an earlier post that the lesser money shafts dont play as good as the $600 shaft. The amount of extra work that goes into it is what your paying for. Thats why they play a bit better. So no, your not gonna get his playability of a $600 shaft for $200 bucks.

Secondly, you post that no one has the right to judge or berate another human being.....and yet you put "insert explenetive here" (foul name calling). Whats up with that ?

I agree that he should not have been jumped on for his original post, but I also think that his responses pretty much created a crime scene for his business. I think his ideas are interesting, and possibly on the edge of break thru. Who knows.

 

[Chopdoc]

If your going to quote me don't just pull out the part that you think will support your view point.

It's not my view point, it's yours.

I am seeking the viewpoint of others on that exact matter, especially his customers or potential customers. That's why I selected that quote.


I have yet to express my viewpoint on his price except when I sad that generally such things as expert tuning and top notch materials generally are expensive in any field. But I am sure you read where I posted that since you read the entire thread. I then said I would reserve my opinion until we see some shafts.



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[nympfisher]

I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't believe LD hype from a man (Baroni), a mask (Predator) or a machine (every improperly made device to 'prove' how much better a shaft plays).

I've also never spent $600 on a single piece of sports/gaming equipment, outside of a bicycle which I bought as much for transportation as anything.

The only thing about this thread that really bothers me is that, if you read back, this guy didn't throw the first stone. In fact, he made an announcement about a service he offered that shouldn't have offended anyone.

Maybe nobody thinks his service is worth the coin he is asking. Fair enough, I don't think so either. What is not fair is for the AZ community to stir the kind of crap that has gone on in this thread--but it happens all the time, so why should I be surprised?




I can't blame the OP for getting defensive. Offering up some unnamed player to 'prove' his product is hardly an effective way of advertising. He used some crude language and made insulting replies, but not really any worse than was said to him first.

You, Hungarian, are demonstrating behavior of the lowest sort. You came into this thread only to berate, got insulted, announced to the populi that you had red repped him, called him an a-hole and then try to lead the charge to ruin his reputation...

...all because we, as members of this forum, decide that his research, devotion, service and prices are not worth what he charges.

You are typical of what a group of AZ'ers have become. The very fact that you are a member of this forum makes me ashamed to call myself one.

Feel free to red rep me. In fact, I hope that everyone in this thread does. I'll even make it gratifying for you by replying to this thread with a copy/past of every red-rep I get (I won't say who sent it) and a running total of my rep points. Get your friends, create new profiles, red rep away.

dld

was thinking the same.. the nasayers alway show up after a train wreck.
i belive he was just informing of a change in buissness, not asking our opinion on his work that we obviously know nothing about,

 

[TATE]

I just spent 3 hours on the phone with John Barioni. From what we discussed, John knows his stuff from a cue making standpoint.

I can tell you from what we discussed, I believe that John's cues are worth looking into from a performance standpoint. If it wasn't a 4 hour drive each way, I would head up there.

Chris

 

[tank69]

I just spent 3 hours on the phone with John Barioni. From what we discussed, John knows his stuff from a cue making standpoint.

I can tell you from what we discussed, I believe that John's cues are worth looking into from a performance standpoint. If it wasn't a 4 hour drive each way, I would head up there.

Chris

Spend 3 hours with me on the phone and I'll have you buying a nice bridge!

You can put a $600 shaft or $100 shaft in the hands of a good pool player and it's not going to make the difference in money spent. It's not the arrow...it's the Indian... If you don't believe that, go buy a $30,000 cue...surely you'll play like SVB based on that analogy.


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[JohnnyP]

No one is saying "the right cue" will make you shoot like Shane. Just better than you were shooting with your old cue.

Set up a straight in shot to the corner, cueball five feet from the pocket, object ball halfway between.

Use max English to pocket the ball and make the cue ball spin in place.

How many tries will an amatuer player need to get it right using a high deflection shaft vs a (very) low deflection shaft?

 

[smoooothstroke]

The earth is round?

I wouldn't call BS on this just yet.The "robot" may not be the perfect test for cue ball deflection but at least it is a test.Time will tell,I have a hunch that more cue makers will try the corking technique and more players will try the shafts.

 

[It's George]

Pr

Yes I stole it. You got me there. If your going to look very closely into this matter, let me tell you where to look. Look in your ASS!!! You just might find your head!:grin:

Great way to represent your product John. Your sure to build a client base with comments like this. If your shaft is as good as you say it is just let the players that are using them do the marketing for you. The product always speaks for itself.

 

[tank69]

No one is saying "the right cue" will make you shoot like Shane. Just better than you were shooting with your old cue.

Set up a straight in shot to the corner, cueball five feet from the pocket, object ball halfway between.

Use max English to pocket the ball and make the cue ball spin in place.

How many tries will an amatuer player need to get it right using a high deflection shaft vs a (very) low deflection shaft?

The guy making the shafts is claiming his shaft will beat any other shaft among players! He's making a challenge for $2000 a few pages back. That sure sounds like it to me!

My post was nothing more than you can buy a good stroke! Not even with your LD shafts!


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[TATE]

Spend 3 hours with me on the phone and I'll have you buying a nice bridge!

You can put a $600 shaft or $100 shaft in the hands of a good pool player and it's not going to make the difference in money spent. It's not the arrow...it's the Indian... If you don't believe that, go buy a $30,000 cue...surely you'll play like SVB based on that analogy.


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So I guess all the knowledge and effort custom cue makers painstakingly put into learning how to make a decent cue makes no difference at all. Everybody knows a Players cue is as good as a Tad, a Cuetec is as good as a Searing, a Yugo is as good as a BMW. Trivializing cue making knowledge shows no respect for the craft.

 

[tank69]

So I guess all the knowledge and effort custom cue makers painstakingly put into learning how to make a decent cue makes no difference at all. Everybody knows a Players cue is as good as a Tad, a Cuetec is as good as a Searing, a Yugo is as good as a BMW. Trivializing cue making knowledge shows no respect for the craft.

Obviously you can't comprehend what I said...the difference in price. I never said anything bashing a cue makers skills or knowledge. $600 for a shaft is utterly insane! I do believe that shaft technology does make a difference, just not a $600 difference! While your making a comparison of the Searing... SVB plays with a Cuetec... I guess he knows nothing about cues or pool! This proves my point, yet again, it's not the arrow, it's the Indian. If you don't understand that example, you must be under a rock!


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[peter_gunn]

No one is saying "the right cue" will make you shoot like Shane. Just better than you were shooting with your old cue.

Set up a straight in shot to the corner, cueball five feet from the pocket, object ball halfway between.

Use max English to pocket the ball and make the cue ball spin in place.

How many tries will an amatuer player need to get it right using a high deflection shaft vs a (very) low deflection shaft?

Its easier to pot with HD shaft. If you know where the pivot point is...

 

[KJPeigan]

Barioni Cues

First of all, I now own a Barioni Custom Cue...John made the cue according to my design, my choice of woods, my choice of grade shaft, taper, custom wood ferrule, custom joint protectors and selection of cue tip...there is no other like it, because i designed it...john built it...and it is everything i envisioned...due to his craftsmanship, i get a number of inquiries and requests to see my cue...i let ppl look at it, but they are not allowed to shoot with it! why? because it's mine...now, i'm not a pro pool player, but i do hold my own on the table...i'm classified as a master by my local pool league...and also by VNEA Canada...i make a living as an accountant and when those duties are done for the day...i play pool...i enjoy traveling and being part of and participating in pool tournaments...i've had "off the shelf" pool cues...especially enjoyed the McDermott products (I-1, I-2 and I-3 shafts) still have them...i seen other players with custom cues and decided 1 day almost 2 years ago to get one...looked at a number of sites on the web, googled many images...and when all was said and done, i liked the Barioni Cue style...it was different, and the guy seemed to know what he was talking about...so i called one day...we talked...we exchanged a great deal of email/pics of what i wanted, took into consideration weight, balance points, length...when all that was done...John sent pics of raw woods for me to choose from...all mexican bocote and birdseye maple, wood rings...i don't care for silver or gold rings in a cue...yuck!!!...when the project was complete...i received a beautiful cue...my cue is the most beautiful cue of all cues, why, because i designed it...it's like our kids, we all think our kids are the most beautiful of all kids, because they come from us...same as my cue, i designed it...as for the shafts, they are low deflection, they shoot very well, and yes they cost more than the "off the shelf" ld shafts, why, because they are not plain, they have custom wood rings, custom wood ferrule, custom joint protectors...both my shafts near cost me $800...but there are no others like it...and both shoot very very good...i've made some good $$$ in one-on-one challenges...so, you do get what you pay for...a great shooting cue...and a "one of a kind head turner can i see your cue plz" request...

 

[CrukedStick]

Wow!

I think I just gave up cue building, am now going into politics, less horse zhitt....And just think, they would have had poor old Joe B off at about page 8... And just when I thought I could corner the market on LD shafts with a limb from a rubber tree....