G-10 tips, should they be banned?

nancewayne

nancewayne

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The phenolic tips have been around a while. The G-10 tip is pretty new. It is harder than the phenolic cue ball. I understand that the G-10 (fiberglass in phenolic resin) DOES damage to the cue ball by putting small glass fibers into it. When enough of those fibers are driven into the cue ball, it transfers the glass fibers into the object balls. This
consequent damage eventually ruins the complete ball set!

Should the G-10 tips be banned ?
 
nancewayne said:
The phenolic tips have been around a while. The G-10 tip is pretty new. It is harder than the phenolic cue ball. I understand that the G-10 (fiberglass in phenolic resin) DOES damage to the cue ball by putting small glass fibers into it. When enough of those fibers are driven into the cue ball, it transfers the glass fibers into the object balls. This
consequent damage eventually ruins the complete ball set!

Should the G-10 tips be banned ?
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IF what you say is true, yes.
 
nancewayne said:
The phenolic tips have been around a while. The G-10 tip is pretty new. It is harder than the phenolic cue ball. I understand that the G-10 (fiberglass in phenolic resin) DOES damage to the cue ball by putting small glass fibers into it. When enough of those fibers are driven into the cue ball, it transfers the glass fibers into the object balls. This
consequent damage eventually ruins the complete ball set!

Should the G-10 tips be banned ?
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Have you ever had fiberglass in your balls? Ain't much fun.

Seriously though, my first instinct would say "ban 'em, don't mess with my balls".

But I should first ask, just how much quicker might a set of balls wear with regular pounding by G10 tips? And during that shortened life span, how might the balls react differently?
 
g10 only messes up cheap balls in my opinion...If you have a good set of balls it doesnt hurt them. I use g10 and a buddy of mine uses it. He breaks as hard any pro I have met and it doesn't seem to affect my ball sets. So in my opinion....It shouldn't be banned.
 
g-10

greeeeat tip no deflection been using for a while now and love it cuts balls like no other really developes your stroke try it youd be suprised how little effort it takes
 
has anyone ever actually seen a cue ball be damaged by a g10 tip? or is this all speculation. I know its harder than the ball but is that all we're basing these assumptions on or has anyone actually seen it do damge?

and i say no. unless its proven to mess up the balls.


and how bout just banning em on break sticks but not jump sticks? I love my jump stick.
 
The arms race has to stop. Even if G10 doesn't damage balls, the next innovation to come along will if the arms race is permitted to continue. Give room owners a break - they have a hard enough time making a living without our equipment ruining their equipment.

I may be old-fashioned, but I think pool should be a game of finesse, not who can hit the balls hardest.

I'd be in favor of a rule saying that cues must have a leather tip. Too late for that, I guess.
 
I think you in order for you to chip or actually break a ball with the g-10 tip, you must have a gorilla arm. JMHO

I have tried out my brother's Varney new customized J&J J/B. It would take a lot for you to even come close to cracking or chipping a ball. It has a great break, very solid hit, and yes, it takes very little effort to even break the rack open.

On another note, some of you already know this, Varney's worksmanship is GREAT! :thumbup: I will give it a better review when I get to test it out better without this splint on my hand :D thanks Kevin. P.S. my brother likes it
 
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nancewayne said:
The phenolic tips have been around a while. The G-10 tip is pretty new. It is harder than the phenolic cue ball. I understand that the G-10 (fiberglass in phenolic resin) DOES damage to the cue ball by putting small glass fibers into it. When enough of those fibers are driven into the cue ball, it transfers the glass fibers into the object balls. This
consequent damage eventually ruins the complete ball set!

Should the G-10 tips be banned ?
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The phenolic tips damages the cueball as well. It seems to be more evident on the measles cue ball. I think both tips should be banned, but that won't happen since both materials are widely used in the market already. And as a side issue, I think jump cues should go away too.

Lou
 
Considering that it is harder than the CB it should be banned. In my opinion anything that in and of itself can damage equipment should be banned.
 
iowa_player said:
Anyone else ever notice the skid marks left on a table after breaking with a G-10 tip ?
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That is due to the heat generated during the break. Considering that a G10 is harder it will produce more skid and more heat. They say that the CB heats the cloth up to 400F on the break.
 
This sounds like an urban legend to me. It transfers tiny glass fibers that then transfer to other balls? Seriously? If you had simply said "I hit the thing and it chipped" I'd be a lot less skeptical. If you can't see or feel the damage with the naked eye there probably isn't any, but maybe someone has a microscope (or at least a strong magnifying glass) to prove or disprove this. The first question should be "is this true".. not "should we ban it".
 
any material that is harder than its opposing will cause damage. Microscopically, on a large scale.. Depends if your goliath or peter pan I guess. I dont know so much about leaving glass in the cue ball.. But damage will be done

G10 Is a harder material than standard PHENOLIC CUE BALLS.. G10 Is a Higher Grade Phenolic than standard Linen, or Canvas Phenolic.. Who is to say what the standard cue ball should be constructed from..

The fact of the matter is that G10 Balls have been developed, but at more than 3x the price tag just for the materials.. Who is going to pay $500 for a single set of balls. Not many, so the market is not there.. manufacturers opt not to produce a line for consumers.

Secondly, G10 Balls would last MUCH MUCH longer than standard phenolic, and would be less destructive(in my oppinion) to cloth (eliminating further sales)

Why? Well one of the hardest materials to cut is a diamond. Diamond cutter? this leads me to believe that the harder the material, the longer it will accept abuse.and Actually feeling g10 vs phenolic and cutting it.. Phenolic creates heat faster from friction.. At least when im shaping tips.

My 2 cents
 
gunzby said:
Considering that it is harder than the CB it should be banned. In my opinion anything that in and of itself can damage equipment should be banned.
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From reading the WPA rules for equipment (http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_spec) it states

17. Cue Sticks
Cue Sticks used at WPA competitions should comply with the following
during play at table:

Length of Cue: 40 inches [1.016 m] minimum / No Maximum
Weight of Cue: No minimum / 25 oz. [708.75 gm] maximum
Width of Tip: No minimum / 14mm maximum

The cue tip may not be of a material that can scratch or damage the addressed ball. The cue tip on any stick must be composed of a piece of specially processed leather or other fibrous or pliable material that extends the natural line of the shaft end of the cue and contacts the cue ball when the shot is executed.

The ferrule of the cue stick, if of a metal material, may not be more than 1 inch [2.54 cm] in length.
 
nancewayne said:
The phenolic tips have been around a while. The G-10 tip is pretty new. It is harder than the phenolic cue ball. I understand that the G-10 (fiberglass in phenolic resin) DOES damage to the cue ball by putting small glass fibers into it. When enough of those fibers are driven into the cue ball, it transfers the glass fibers into the object balls. This
consequent damage eventually ruins the complete ball set!

Should the G-10 tips be banned ?
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A ban is not necessary. From what people describe they are already illegal.
 
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