It appears to me that it was in fact it was J R's pm to PoolSnark that prompted PoolSnark to throw this thing up if you read the enitre blog.
GAG order on WPBA players?!?!
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It appears to me that it was in fact it was J R's pm to PoolSnark that prompted PoolSnark to throw this thing up if you read the enitre blog.
Absolutely but you would hope that their leaders have one goal in mind and that is the overall improvement of the tour. I mean, what sort of leader would want anything else? I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the alleged decision. I am saying we don't know if they are asking their players to refrain from posting and if they are, how they came to this decision. There could be very good reasons for it. I think it's unfortunate. I know I enjoy many of the players here offering their opinions on things. On the other hand, there may be plans down the road we know nothing about and/or things that happened in the past we know nothing about that gave the group reason to think that continuation down this path could prove costly.
Not all leaders are made of the same stuff, and just because they have elected a board, doesn't mean that the board actually works well together, or is cohesive as a group.
For all we know, the reason that they are being criticized as not doing anything, is a direct result of their inability to agree on what business pathway is best for the tour.
If this years tour reflects a lack, or inability to commit to something, then maybe the WPBA would be better served by a new board.
Unless you have all the board members telling board secrets, i can't really see how what a player may or may not say, can affect what may or may not happen, when the majority of players have been nothing but positive and supportive of the WPBA making positive strides in the future.
When you have the majority of players showing support in their posts and blogs, when a gag order is put in place, something is not right.
"Majority" is a very specific word. It means more than half. Do you really think more than half of all WPBA players are even posting online? Have blogs?
If some players were told to not divulge information, then obviously, enough were speaking about things, to shake things up.
And to be more specific, majority was used in the context of the players that actually do post online and have blogs, not the majority of the tour.
Well, dissenting opinions are typically louder. I mean, I really wish we knew more about what goes on with the WPBA. This isn't the first time they've kept things from the public and left us to speculate.
Jay is our beat reporter
Come on Jay, it's almost 11 am on the first day of the tournament. What's shakin'?
Come on Jay, it's almost 11 am on the first day of the tournament. What's shakin'?
Just curious but why does this have anything to do with you or anyone else not involved with the WPBA ?
The WPBA last I looked is not building concentration camps or hiding any other dastardly evil deeds. They hold a few pool tournaments each year. Three or four players make a middle class wage. It really is not that big of a deal one way or the other. Any one of these women could do or say whatever they like and not have it change their life by any large measure.
If your business partner told you to not publicly comment on something would you jump up scream in his face and quit just to prove you don't have to do as you are asked to do ? That attitude get's lots of things accomplished. Mainly a bunch of people standing around looking at each other with steely eyed glares in the unemployment line.
Your unbridled desire for conflict is a little weird.
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look at 2 posts above yours.
Actually, it's quite simple.
I just reposted what some blogger had put up on their website and left it open for discussion, because i found it an interesting topic.
Considering that we have lots of WPBA posters that respond immediately to most WPBA threads, why not post it up in a discussion forum to see all the opinions on it and if it is valid or not.
That is what discussion forums are for, right?
It peaked my interest. Plus the politics in pool have always annoyed me and i will ALWAYS take the side of player advocate. ALWAYS.
I know that if I were a public figure poolplayer, and I were to have the voice and platforms that i use every day, censored in any way, I would not like it.
Why should they. (Reflect on Sarah's post for some of the possible implications)
Plus, when you add all the speculation surrounding the new board and it's "lack of action" When you put those 2 tidbits together, you have what seems to be an interesting possibility as to said rumor, and more importantly, WHY said rumor might be happening.
I can't help it if i have a desire to know.
I don't think it's a actual desire for conflict. It's more a desire for answers.
Conflict just happens to be a by product when looking for those answers steps on toes, offends people and gets people's undies in a wad, when they don't happen to like the controversial topic at hand, for whatever reasons. And yes, i have a knack for discussing controversial topics. Conflict comes with the territory.
Just like, in this thread.
People vouching for J,R., and criticizing me.
People accusing me of things.
Not because i said anything negative about them, but simply because i choose a certain topic they don't like, don't like how i am presenting things, and they happen to think they "know" the guy, or think i am someone else.
Once that stuff starts happening, then admittedly, it becomes a little more personal and forget the initial questions and curiosity.
Then it's about making them eat their words.
Which in this particular case, they will have to.
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Well, looks like the WPBA will no longer have to worry about the person behind the PCN blog, whose blog post started this whole thread.
I have PCN as a Facebook friend, who is named Maximus Snarkinous on Facebook. This was their post on Facebook a couple of hours ago:
Maximus Snarkinous -
Blog is gone. Tell Rousseau that he won. Thanks to everyone who was a reader and supporter, it was fun while it lasted.
My response to that was this:
Shayla Neris -
WTF?!?! Seriously? Doesn't sound like you to give in.
This was their response:
Maximus Snarkinous -
when threats (veiled or otherwise) start getting thrown around, its time for me to be done.
Personally, I enjoyed reading PCN, and sad to see the blog go. www.poolcuenews.com no longer exists if you go to the website. Sad how people can't even post their own opinions anymore. I hope PCN comes back some day. Sure did seem to keep people on their toes.
I have PCN as a Facebook friend, who is named Maximus Snarkinous on Facebook. This was their post on Facebook a couple of hours ago:
Maximus Snarkinous -
Blog is gone. Tell Rousseau that he won. Thanks to everyone who was a reader and supporter, it was fun while it lasted.
My response to that was this:
Shayla Neris -
WTF?!?! Seriously? Doesn't sound like you to give in.
This was their response:
Maximus Snarkinous -
when threats (veiled or otherwise) start getting thrown around, its time for me to be done.
Personally, I enjoyed reading PCN, and sad to see the blog go. www.poolcuenews.com no longer exists if you go to the website. Sad how people can't even post their own opinions anymore. I hope PCN comes back some day. Sure did seem to keep people on their toes.
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The article states Goldman Sachs is looking to invest $4 million in the tour? I mean, wow. That would be an amazing jolt to the WPBA. I mean, it's difficult to ascertain EXACTLY what's going on from just this article. It's basically reporting how a large argument took place and how key players have taken root on opposing sides of the argument. It doesn't say a whole lot about the probability of a Goldman deal or the specifics of that deal. $4 million commitment would completely revitalize the WPBA. I have to imagine that deal is their top priority.
Well, if I were the board President and I knew that we were about to get $4 million, I might tell everyone to stfu until that happens. If the "gag order" has to do with this deal then I can't help but agree with it. If you find out the reason, please let us know. Also, if you find out more about the GS deal, that'd be great too.
If this is truly what happened, then I am disgusted. WPBA and it's members may not have liked what Max had to say, but damn it he got the ball rolling and said things that we all wanted to.
I refuse to remove his blog from my bookmarks in hopes that he'll come back...... I wonder what would happen in any other sport when someone makes a comment that was unfavorable....oh right, NOTHING, it's an opinion get over it.
You know, i am wondering about this now.
Was discussing this with some people.
It is in regards to the comments at the bottom of the blog.
There were 2 comments posted where John Rousseau made fun of himself.
After which, PCN dude came on and told people to play nice, and that real J.R. lived somewhere, and that fake J.R. didn't live there.
(let us assume that PCN could track comments based on IP addresses)
After that, there was another John Rousseau comment that said "i am everywhere"
That was the last i read.
Who knows, maybe there were several comments after those, threatening PCN.
But still, i don't understand just shutting down the blog. Like, WTF is J.R. gonna do!?!?! Come after the guy?
If anything, i'd be posting up more stuff, not withdrawing.
Wow. I just recently encountered the PCN blog and have maintained mixed feelings about it. I agree, he had intriguing things to say. Even though I didn't always agree with what he posted, it forced me to think about how I actually did feel. The only problem I had with it was its newspaper-appearance. It looked more like an actual news source than a blog. Had it the appearance of a typical blog, I don't think anyone would have had any problem with it.
I mean, the other side of this is, I think a lot of pool media is way too soft. There are too many happy stories and happy commentary. Independent blogging is important especially if the writer has been deemed reliable (not sure if PCN Guy reached that yet but the potential was there, in my eyes at least).
Honestly, I wish it wasn't anonymous. I mean, I really wished I knew who it was because I wanted to know if he'd been posting on forums all this time or not. Was this his first time really writing about pool? I just wanted to know if he was growing into an independent reporter or someone who wanted to publically vent and I honestly believe he hadn't quite made the decision yet.