Galveston BIG MONEY TOURNAMENT

looks like they will be taking a bath

Yup. I see it now on the far right of the menu bar.

10 ball race to 9 winner side and race to 7 loser side. For $600. Tough action in this economy.

Still do not see the start dates for the various events and it would surprise me a great deal if they actually sell 20 spots at $1000 to $1500 each plus electric/phone/internet and hotel. The US Open or DCC does not fill 50 spots.

The layout looks like it could be something really special if they can get to go. I hope they can make it happen and I know we at TAR and some others would love to help if some questions can be answered.

Looks like they will be taking a bath if they hold the event. No big surprise for the first year. I hope they have deep enough pockets and enough heart to take the beating and still keep trying to build the event. Of course I could be dead wrong but it looks like they are taking on a big project without the planning needed. I can't make the numbers work but maybe they can.

Hu
 
Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but I hope it does-

From looking over the website, contracts, and general schematics, it looks like a very vendor friendly environment, depending of course of the attendance.
Looking over the payouts and layouts, I'd have to say it would be a fun trip just to find out how well it turns out and get in while it lasts....

From a table mechanics perspective, I'd love to get in on THAT job!

From a players perspective-
DCC, Valley Forge, and other events that we pilgrimage to had to start off somewhere....
Although I'm not real sure about Galveston as the choice during the middle part of the Hurricane season.
Could be something, could be nothing, but I hope that it turns out that we end up with another place to go to, and that it holds out long enough to start doing well.
Not much else going on that time of year, APA Nationals would have just ended, which may or may not help them, but I think they are aiming higher than just one group.

Just my .02 worth.
 
I see another problem with this time of the year! Any player with a family has just spent a lot of money getting the kids enrolled in school. Getting time away from family when getting kids settled in school, study habits, and sports could cause some not participate.
 
I'll be there if legit.........

A friend of mine talked to someone at the contact number and was told that the city of Galveston was putting up the $ as added money. This info would go against what others are lead to believe concerning the entry fees being the added money. The promoters need to get on AZ, Inside Pool and other internet venues and get the good word out there in whole and in truth. Otherwise, another doomed event. I hope it works out.
 
A friend of mine talked to someone at the contact number and was told that the city of Galveston was putting up the $ as added money. This info would go against what others are lead to believe concerning the entry fees being the added money. The promoters need to get on AZ, Inside Pool and other internet venues and get the good word out there in whole and in truth. Otherwise, another doomed event. I hope it works out.


First I've heard about this. It would be a good thing if it were true. So far the whole issue of Added Money has been rather vague. If there was any Added Money, I'm pretty certain that it would be listed prominently on their website. "Vague" doesn't work when promoting new events. The more specificity the better. Prospective players/backers want to know who they are dealing with and what they are getting into. Especially in light of failed events of the last few years. Once burned, twice cautious.

There is NO organization currently protecting the players (maybe I'll form one). So they must look out for themselves. The norm lately has been "Play now, pay later".
 
No my friend is louis vickio and his exact words to me were that it didnt matter if 2 people showed up for the event say for example there were only 2 people in the pro event one of them would walk out with 50000....so from wat i gathered talking to him he and bobby rhone and moody gardens are adding the 520000 or whatever it says they are paying out and that money is going to the 1st places and all the rest of the entry fees are going to be split up among the rest of the players or teams...as for the rest of your questions im going to see him tuesday and i will do my best to get as many answers as i can

p.s. Dont hate me if I misunderstood what he said and got all of the above wrong LOL
 
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If that is the case Blaine then why not advertise the payout as GUARANTEED and find a way to insure and assure the pool world that this is in fact the case. Then when everyone is CERTAIN that the money is secured there will be a waiting list to get in.

Especially if it's promoted this early.

The first truly rich person who builds a tour where all the prize money is guaranteed will OWN POOL from top to bottom. If I had 20 million then I would completely own the pro tour and have a grass roots organization feeding me players to fill up every spot at every tournament.

I am not even sure HOW one would go about escrowing the money for a tournament and who would provide "proof" of that escrow. How does that work? Does a bank take all the money into a special account and then they are responisble for disbursing it to the players? If I am a player who wants to know if the money is secure how would I find such information out and what proof should I ask for?

I have been curious about the actual logistics of how one knows for certain that the money for a tournament is truly guaranteed.
 
Steve,

Yes , the guys promoting this event had a vendor booth at the very end of that long hallway. It caught my eye and I spoke with them for a few minutes.
They had all kinds of brochures, even entry forms.
They seemed sincere enough, and assured me it was going to happen.
However, I have to agree with the doubters. With no more planning and promotion than we've seen so far, if it does come off, it is almost sure to be a disaster for someone.

Dick

I hope a lot of us are wrong here. I know one of the principals here and he is a good man and always seemed very honest to me.

He contacted me about running this and we talked 2-3 times a day for a couple of weeks and then like that the phone lines were cut and no returned calls.

This could have been structured much differently and without nearly the risk to the promoter and come off much more attractively. I wish them well, but, it is very high risk to everyone.
 
No my friend is louis vickio and his exact words to me were that it didnt matter if 2 people showed up for the event say for example there were only 2 people in the pro event one of them would walk out with 50000....so from wat i gathered talking to him he and bobby rhone and moody gardens are adding the 520000 or whatever it says they are paying out and that money is going to the 1st places and all the rest of the entry fees are going to be split up among the rest of the players or teams...as for the rest of your questions im going to see him tuesday and i will do my best to get as many answers as i can

p.s. Dont hate me if I misunderstood what he said and got all of the above wrong LOL

Like John said, if what you say is accurate and the guy can prove to the players and vendors that the money is there then he will have a big tournament come September. I would probably come down just to sweat it. The problem I am hearing though is several stories like Ironman's. Very little follow through on answering actual questions asked by people they have asked for input or help...

I am gonna dig around and see what I can come up with on this. It is just getting me more curiouser (if that wasn't a word before it is now)
 
No my friend is louis vickio and his exact words to me were that it didnt matter if 2 people showed up for the event say for example there were only 2 people in the pro event one of them would walk out with 50000....so from wat i gathered talking to him he and bobby rhone and moody gardens are adding the 520000 or whatever it says they are paying out and that money is going to the 1st places and all the rest of the entry fees are going to be split up among the rest of the players or teams...as for the rest of your questions im going to see him tuesday and i will do my best to get as many answers as i can

p.s. Dont hate me if I misunderstood what he said and got all of the above wrong LOL

No problem Blaine. I appreciate your effort(s) to get things clarified.

If they are adding a specific amount of money, they should specify how much added money they are adding.

IF THEY ARE GUARANTEEING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEY SHOULD SPECIFY HOW MUCH THEY ARE GUARANTEEING AND HOW THE GUARANTEE WORKS.

You can tell Louis and anyone else involved with this event, that there are many people who would like to see this happen but we need more detailed information. It is the main reason why I started this thread. Time is running out and if the city of Galveston is going to add money, how much and can we see it on some City of Galveston Stationery.

Also if the guarantee stands whether 20 people show up or 200 people show up, he should say that on his web site.

We don't know Louis and unfortunately the pool tournament players have been burned by promoters in the past.

International players must make their airline reservations months in advance to receive lower plane fares.

Vacation planners need as much time as they can get. This is 10 days of pool and some people will want to play in only one discipline. We need to know what days each discipline will take place.

Wishing Louis the best.

JoeyA
 
A friend of mine talked to someone at the contact number and was told that the city of Galveston was putting up the $ as added money.

I honestly doubt that the City of Galveston is putting up any of the added money. Typically hotels will comp space rental fees IF you meet a specified room block (your event must fill a specific number of hotel reservations) and food and beverage minimums but it is VERY rare that hotels or convention centers will add ANY money, particularly in the economy right now and because Galveston just went through a HUGE renovation after the storm. I doubt they have extra money to support events.

Casinos add money to events because they expect guests to spend money in their casinos, it's very hard for a hotel to make their money back by doing the same thing.

I would believe that the event organizers are adding money but I'm very doubtful that Galveston is. I met with their Convention and Visitors Bureau and the Moody Gardens Sales Reps a few weeks ago (about my work stuff not about this tournament) and this was not something any of them were knowledgable about. If they were adding money to an event I would suspect that they would be anticipating such a large event and know about it. The Moody Gardens Rep had to look up the contract to see what event I was talking about.
 
No my friend is louis vickio and his exact words to me were that it didnt matter if 2 people showed up for the event say for example there were only 2 people in the pro event one of them would walk out with 50000....so from wat i gathered talking to him he and bobby rhone and moody gardens are adding the 520000 or whatever it says they are paying out and that money is going to the 1st places and all the rest of the entry fees are going to be split up among the rest of the players or teams...as for the rest of your questions im going to see him tuesday and i will do my best to get as many answers as i can

p.s. Dont hate me if I misunderstood what he said and got all of the above wrong LOL


These are the type of conversations that concern me. All hype and no bite! Statements like this just turn me off, and speak AMATEUR!
 
agree with Jay here. sounds like a great event, but you need added money if its going to be a pro tournament IMO
otherwise everyone would be trying to do it

They have grandiose plans for this event with many questions unanswered. It appears that ALL prize money will come from player entry fees, much like a poker tournament. There is NO added money to build the purses, so the prize fund is dependent on player entries. The prize moneys may have to be scaled down if the field is light.

I met the gentleman behind this event at DCC and offered my help in planning it, but so far he has not contacted me about it. Perhaps the questions I asked him at that time (where will the money come from?) were not what he wanted to hear. I will always be skeptical of first time promoters until I see something concrete.

I wish them luck but they need to be a little more forthcoming with information. Too many questions unanswered still. In some ways this reminds me of Allen Hopkin's Million Dollar event last year. Great idea but hard to pull off. JMO as always.
 
People wonder why there is nothing good for pool. You get someone who is trying to do something good for the sport and you get bashed with nothing but negativity. I hope all of you people doubting this tournament stay at your local $10 enrtry fee $50 added tournament. I will be at this tournament watching players winning some of the biggest payouts of any tournament that came to Texas. You guys who are complaining and wondering if this is true or not just stay home and keep wondering. We do not need you posting on here questioning this guys honesty. I have heard nothing but good things about this tournament and know from reliable sources that this tournament is going to happen. So you guys keep wasting your time bashing the promoters of this tournament so we can keep having these $500-$2000 added tournaments that really make the players a good score by the time they pay for travel expenses.
 
People wonder why there is nothing good for pool. You get someone who is trying to do something good for the sport and you get bashed with nothing but negativity. I hope all of you people doubting this tournament stay at your local $10 enrtry fee $50 added tournament. I will be at this tournament watching players winning some of the biggest payouts of any tournament that came to Texas. You guys who are complaining and wondering if this is true or not just stay home and keep wondering. We do not need you posting on here questioning this guys honesty. I have heard nothing but good things about this tournament and know from reliable sources that this tournament is going to happen. So you guys keep wasting your time bashing the promoters of this tournament so we can keep having these $500-$2000 added tournaments that really make the players a good score by the time they pay for travel expenses.

Juice, everyone here wants the tournament to be a huge success....unfortunately, experience has taught them otherwise....there have been too many tournaments that touted huge opportunities in the past, and the vast majority came up short.....and consistency has shown that the same errors existed and the same questions couldn't be answered each time....I don't think anyone wants this to fail - to the contrary, it seems a ton of folks, myself included, want to make plans to attend.....but before people pay for airline tickets, make reservations, and ink this event down in their schedule, they need the appropriate guarantees and questions answered....

If this tournament is going to be HUGE, and I'm sure all involved want it to be, they've gotta get the ball rolling on answering these questions and promoting.....September is just a few months away, it's time to get the wheels in motion and make this thing as big and supported as it should be :smile:

Thanks,

Jason in Dallas
 
Isn't Galveston nothing but a pile of sand now? Would everyone just camp out on the beach? Are the tables going to be the outdoor kind?

Hey my house blew away with that storm..That shit aint funny..People might have really een sleepin on the beach...
And to all the critics..The tournament is gonna happen..It will be there..The money will be there...Yall keep cryin and speculating like maybe yall are hoping it doesnt go on..This man has big expectations for pool..This tournament is just the beginning..Help bring a dying game to life...Have a nice day..David Parker
 
I want to clarify to everyone saying that we are "bashing" the promoters of this event. That is not at all what I meant by anything I have said. In fact, I am very hopeful that this event does happen and is successful.

Something like this would be great for pool and for Galveston. Honestly, the location this will be held is perfect for something like this. Their "boardwalk" feel with all the shops and the hotels right near the beach is a great place to introduce the pool world to Texas, so as a Texan, I do hope this goes well.

I think everyone that is suggesting that certain things need to be clarified are doing so hoping that the promoters will clarify for the sake of the success of the tournament, not so that they can bash them. If you know many of the people that have posted the constructive criticism on here, you would know that they are all experienced event/tournament planners and promoters and are highly involved in all aspects of the sport and participate in many events in multiple capacities. I assure you there are no ill intentions with any of the comments.
 
I am hoping like crazy this event jumps off. I have thus far not had a chance to go to DCC. Im sure this could be a close second and Its only 4 hours away from me. I have tons of people I can stay with, so that should be a fun week of pool. I have a good felling that this will go off as planned and im planning on being front and center!!

Big Frank
 
I am not even sure HOW one would go about escrowing the money for a tournament and who would provide "proof" of that escrow. How does that work? Does a bank take all the money into a special account and then they are responisble for disbursing it to the players? If I am a player who wants to know if the money is secure how would I find such information out and what proof should I ask for?

I have been curious about the actual logistics of how one knows for certain that the money for a tournament is truly guaranteed.

I spoke to a representative in the business department at my bank about this a couple years ago asking the same questions. For what it's worth I can describe what he said, but keep in mind this was some time ago and certainly, anyone can make the same type of phone call to their bank.

I will oversimplify it by saying an escrow is basically a checking account. You'll need the account number and upon request, the bank will mail or fax a statement with the account balance.

What makes it different from a checking account not only the fact that anyone can check the balance, but it is who is authorized to write the checks that sets it apart from a normal checking account. You can set it up where only the person making the deposits is authorized to withdraw. This is the easiest and relatively least secure, but better than nothing. Or this responsibility can be shared (for example, two party checks, one signature line for the promoter, one line for a licensed accountant) or the money can be completely deposited without any authorization to withdraw by the depositor and the checks will be written under contract by a third party (maybe an accounting firm) according to the terms of that contract or instructions. The third party process is the most secure.

The bank doesn't write the checks.

Once you set up an appointment with the banker and know who and how you want to distribute the money, it's supposedly the same amount of effort as opening up a regular checking account. The tricky part is having the cash ready and deciding who writes the checks. It obviously doesn't make sense to post prize money 6 months in advance, but perhaps a promise that it will be posted three weeks before the tournament starts would be sufficient.

I'm really at the edge of my knowledge on this topic and I know there are many different ways to do this as well, a letter of credit pops into mind, so if anyone with more experience with these wants to chime in or correct something, please do so.

Hope that helps a little.
 
No my friend is louis vickio...

Is this the same Louis Vickio from Katy TX that's playing the BCA men's singles?? If so, I'm sure he'll be heavily promoting it, along with having a booth out at the BCA.

Personally, I'm in agreement with the majority of the posters. I really hope this tournament does happen. Like Frank, I've never been to the DCC but since this is a lot closer to home, I'd more than likely be there.
 
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