Ginacue pleads guilty
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Feds? They don't need this forum. Such a resource could provide links but they have much better ways to look for what they want to find.
Think activists, nut jobs with bombs, journalists, etc. Want any of those knocking on your door...or sneaking around your house...disrupting your place of business...terrorizing your family?
Of course, things said in this forum could always spur some nut job to call the feds....so there is always that too....
Plenty of stuff on Facebook too...but I don't go there.
Lots of people watching.
You guys with websites with pretty cues all over them. Some local reporter wants in on the story. They'll add some local flavor by interviewing a local cue dealer about it. You step out of your house in the morning to get a microphone shoved in your face.
Imagine it.
It could be very real.
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Politicians are set by the politicians and at the moment the priorities are upside down.
That's my point
Barringers name got dropped and so did the SuperBilliardsExpo in the report.
Barringer posts here, and tons of info about SBE is in these pages.
Links could lead them to the Wanted/For Sale section and creating an account to try to buy stuff, or to any of the various FB cue selling pages where they can do the same
You know. ANY details about upcoming sales from cuemakers where people just feel the need to blab their brains out all over the internet.
AZB could be a very resourceful tool for them busting people left and right.
You do realize that "preban" ivory is sitting around in warehouses all over the place, WAITING to be bought, right?
If i buy a tusk that was from 1967, in the year 2016, what year did the elephant get killed or DIE?
No guarantee an elephant was slaughtered for it.
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What human or human's property did he physically harm by his actions?
If there actually is such a victim, then shouldn't justice demand that the victim be made whole again by the criminal who harmed him or his property? That is nowhere to be seen in all of this.
So, if this isn't about true justice where a victim is protected and provided restitution via the justice system, what is it really about?
Jeff Livingston
Yup.
I am trying to say it's even bigger than that. And that there are real potential threats that aren't even people with badges or authority.
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Ivory bans by state... 8/15
Did not advance states means the bill was shot down or shelved. The Fed Ban is for import / export from the country.
JV
Did not advance states means the bill was shot down or shelved. The Fed Ban is for import / export from the country.
JV
And it's up to you to have the proper CITES documentation that authenticates that it's legally obtained ivory. Kind of like buying a gun off the street vs having a license and buying from a gun dealer. Sure...the guy can tell you it's legal, but if you don't have the proper paperwork, it's an illegal gun. Also, "preban" ivory doesn't exist. It's a false name given to ivory obtained before the ban. There's ivory. Whether you legally or illegally obtained it, you cannot export it for commercial purposes. So, the ivory could have fallen off the elephant in 1897. If you use enough of it for monetary gain, and try to sell it out of state or export to another country, it's illegal.
Joe Barringer has plead guilty in the past for illegally distributing ivory. This was Ernie's source. Ernie didn't have the proper paperwork to authenticate his ivory. I expect further fallout from this one in the pool cue industry.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/florida-businessman-pleads-guilty-illegal-trade-elephant-ivory
The tough thing is that if it attracts activists it does not even matter what the laws are. They themselves commonly violate the law in support of their cause.
I used to do biomedical research. We had animals. We experienced several bomb threats and vandalizations. We were not doing anything illegal. All we had were rats. No primates, dogs, cats, or anything like that. Just rats.
We are talking about a product from a large fairly intelligent and emotional species, one that is well loved and endangered. If rats can evoke the response I experienced...what can this get you?
The more attention this attracts the more dangerous it becomes for anybody involved with custom cues. Dealers, collectors, owners...
It is entirely possible that people with badges could be the least of your worries.
That is not to say that the people with badges are not to be worried about. I just need to point out that this can be worse than just that.
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When laws like this are enacted the Government strives to make an example of someone to scare the flock away from similar behavior.
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It looks like GUTIERREZ was the prefect example considering his former stature as the 'Godfather' of Ivory cues?
The G-Men know what they are doing.
When laws like this are enacted the Government strives to make an example of someone to scare the flock away from similar behavior.
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It looks like GUTIERREZ was the prefect example considering his former stature as the 'Godfather' of Ivory cues?
The G-Men know what they are doing.
One correction on your statement:
It is not "laws" like this, but "legislation" like this. Real law pertains to justice, and as there are no victims physically harmed, no real laws were broken, just fake legislation. So the next question begging is: What reason then for this legislation, if not for real law?
fyi,
Jeff Livingston
Furthermore.. they go after the people with no way to defend themselves except court, which could break most people financially. So the real problem in this case IS the people with guns, in AFRICA. There is plenty of legal ivory, pre-ban, pre-date whatever you want to call it. There is also no reason to inflict financial losses to people who collected LEGALLY obtained pieces.
You want to stop poaching... make it an immediate death sentence to be carried out and filmed at the scene of apprehension. Its that easy. Hang them, firing squad, whatever.. and leave them hanging in the desert as food for the animals they want to kill.
You need to kill more poachers till their decline is more rapid than the elephants.
JV
You want to stop poaching... make it an immediate death sentence to be carried out and filmed at the scene of apprehension. Its that easy. Hang them, firing squad, whatever.. and leave them hanging in the desert as food for the animals they want to kill.
You need to kill more poachers till their decline is more rapid than the elephants.
JV
When laws like this are enacted the Government strives to make an example of someone to scare the flock away from similar behavior.
:withstupid:
It looks like GUTIERREZ was the prefect example considering his former stature as the 'Godfather' of Ivory cues?
The G-Men know what they are doing.
Finally someone with a common sense approach to solve the real problem here.
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I agree!!!!
Joe, do you actually think this will do anything?? Really? The guys who end up with the ivory are not the people that kill the elephant. Does the drug dealer pick the poppies to make the opium? Nope. Does he sell it on the street? Nope. Same with the ivory trade. Here's what happens. The warlord enters a village. He finds a few locals, gives them some guns, and tells them that he will pay him money (not that much, but a lot more than the villager will see for a long time) to bring back some tusks.
By your method, that uneducated villager would be the man killed on the YouTube video. And he isn't the problem. The only way you can end this fiasco is to eliminate the DEMAND for ivory. It's called education. The new generation seems to get it. It's the folks like Bava that will keep this epidemic going. He NEEDS ivory. And won't accept a substitute.
Cuban cigars are overrated. Dominican cigars are much nicer. I think the only reason Americans liked Cuban cigars was the taboo factor. They weren't really all that good. But tell a kid he can eat any of the M&Ms except the green ones, and he'll want the green ones.
Just like mammoth ivory is nicer than elephant ivory. We are fortunate though that the ban on ivory includes mammoth ivory, it is important to do so we don't contribute to the extinction of the Mammoth.
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