Ginacue popped over ivory, hopefully much or all fake.
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I don't think anybody will know anything specific until the case involving Ernie is settled.
The AZB keyboard lawyers are all speculating and Ernie's case will set the precedent for things to come.
I'm not "into" fancy cues with lots of ornamentation and ivory. The only cues I've ever owned that had ivory were two that Richard Black made for me and they only had ivory ferrules and I no longer have them.
To me, it matters not one way or another...none of my cues have ivory. I think cue makers who have "legal" ivory should be allowed to make and sell their cues until their ivory stock is depleted, but what I think isn't going to matter.
There are plenty of substances that can be used for ornamentation that will substitute for ivory. I think ivory ferrules and joints make a cue play "differently", but I wouldn't necessarily say "better".
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Our Government is hell bent to make everyone a criminal ....
800.000 new laws last years .
We are looking at cutting down a forest just to print these new laws on .
Our government is out to take our guns and any excuse works ...
Its a police state ........ welcome to modern day Germany ...
Our Government is hell bent to make everyone a criminal ....
800.000 new laws last years .
We are looking at cutting down a forest just to print these new laws on .
Our government is out to take our guns and any excuse works ...
Its a police state ........ welcome to modern day Germany ...
Ernie turned himself in......you only do that when you know there's a problem.
Dom.....ownership and transportation within the USA is fine......that's 100% certainty.
All of the regs clearly specify that......Defacto enactment just like the Prohibition law.
The US Constitution states that all Ex Post Facto laws are unconstitutional & illegal.
Yes, you can own & carry ivory pool cues in the USA......just be careful where you buy or sell them.
Dom.....ownership and transportation within the USA is fine......that's 100% certainty.
All of the regs clearly specify that......Defacto enactment just like the Prohibition law.
The US Constitution states that all Ex Post Facto laws are unconstitutional & illegal.
Yes, you can own & carry ivory pool cues in the USA......just be careful where you buy or sell them.
Last time I checked, Hawaii was in the USA.
What states can I "legally" buy a cue from and have it shipped to Hawaii? I figure CA isn't one.
If Ernie sold the cues to the two people that tried smuggling the cues out of the USA,
and either sale happened after June 30, 2016, he is busted......there is no wiggle room.
If the cues were picked up at his shop after June 30th, he is busted.....no wiggle room.
The details of this still aren't known yet but this does not look good for cue-making or Ernie.
I do hope he sold the cues properly and is being erroneously charged and ultimately cleared.
Meanwhile, treat this as a warning sign if you happen to be a California cue-maker or a
cue-maker building a cue that uses ivory and your customer lives in CA.....you have a real problem.
Matt B.
and either sale happened after June 30, 2016, he is busted......there is no wiggle room.
If the cues were picked up at his shop after June 30th, he is busted.....no wiggle room.
The details of this still aren't known yet but this does not look good for cue-making or Ernie.
I do hope he sold the cues properly and is being erroneously charged and ultimately cleared.
Meanwhile, treat this as a warning sign if you happen to be a California cue-maker or a
cue-maker building a cue that uses ivory and your customer lives in CA.....you have a real problem.
Matt B.
Here is a quote from a San Jose Mercury News article. More info is easy to find on-line. Bottom line: do not sell or buy ivory of any kind including mammoth (fossil) and rhino ivory in California. The age does not matter. The source does not matter. The amount does not matter. No ivory.
I've got maybe 10 ivory billiard/pool balls and I'm not sure what I can do with them. I guess they'll stay in their boxes.
SACRAMENTO -- Handing a victory to wildlife and conservation groups and a defeat to Chinatown shopkeepers in San Francisco and Los Angeles, Gov. Jerry Brown on Sunday signed legislation banning the sales of virtually all elephant ivory.
Assembly Bill 96, by Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, will make it illegal after July 1 for anyone to sell nearly any kind of elephant ivory or rhino horn in California, including that in antique guns and chess sets, whether at a store or from a private collection ...
Assembly Bill 96, by Assembly Speaker Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, will make it illegal after July 1 for anyone to sell nearly any kind of elephant ivory or rhino horn in California, including that in antique guns and chess sets, whether at a store or from a private collection ...
I've got maybe 10 ivory billiard/pool balls and I'm not sure what I can do with them. I guess they'll stay in their boxes.
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dom_poppa
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Interesting bava.
Looks like I will buy a ivory cue for a friend out of state as a 'gift'. Have cue maker send to him.
My friend is a gracious friend and would not accept something of this value.
So he returns it to me and sends i to my house.
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Looks like I will buy a ivory cue for a friend out of state as a 'gift'. Have cue maker send to him.
My friend is a gracious friend and would not accept something of this value.
So he returns it to me and sends i to my house.
Sent from my iPhone using AzBilliards Forums mobile app
I have a feeling since the law is relatively new that he will be made an example of unfortunately for him.
I see a lot of speculation about CA. Apparently, this happened before and has zero to do with the new CA ivory ban. It is federal. Here's the press release. https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/p...-maker-charged-helping-smuggle-elephant-ivory
There is very limited knowledge on the actual facts. Let's all give this time to play out, folks, and not run too wild with the theories.
There is very limited knowledge on the actual facts. Let's all give this time to play out, folks, and not run too wild with the theories.
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Your own state of Hawaii........Ivory will be banned starting in 2017.
Gov. David Ige quietly signed into law Senate Bill 2647, now Act 125, effectively banning the sale of ivory and other products from a variety of animal and marine species.
Inga Gibson, Hawaii senior state director for the Humane Society of the United States, told The Huffington Post that she and other supporters are thrilled with the outcome.
“We’re looking at one of the strongest anti-wildlife trafficking bills in the country,” Gibson said.
The law takes effect immediately. Enforcement will be delayed until 2017 to allow time for those in possession of such products to lawfully dispose of them, according to a joint release from bill supporters. The law also provides exceptions for traditional cultural practices, as well as certain antiques, musical instruments, guns and knives.
Your own state of Hawaii........Ivory will be banned starting in 2017.
Gov. David Ige quietly signed into law Senate Bill 2647, now Act 125, effectively banning the sale of ivory and other products from a variety of animal and marine species.
Inga Gibson, Hawaii senior state director for the Humane Society of the United States, told The Huffington Post that she and other supporters are thrilled with the outcome.
“We’re looking at one of the strongest anti-wildlife trafficking bills in the country,” Gibson said.
The law takes effect immediately. Enforcement will be delayed until 2017 to allow time for those in possession of such products to lawfully dispose of them, according to a joint release from bill supporters. The law also provides exceptions for traditional cultural practices, as well as certain antiques, musical instruments, guns and knives.
Ernie might have been caught by the Feds by the CA Fish & Wildlife still has a claim on him if he broke CA's law.........and CA will prosecute.
The head of Enforcement made it very clear there must be examples made to help "compel" compliance with the law which means "penalties".
A new law that is not vigorously enforced is a law that would only receive token compliance until people realize there's serious repercussions.
I believe that the ivory ban in CA reflects this belief and consequently, if you do get caught, do not expect or count on getting a lenient judge.
Repeal of the law has nothing to do with the Governor and the next one in CA will be Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, very popular & also democrat.
It is controlled by the state legislature and committees so it does not look good. The sole hope is the lawsuit currently underway which could
take awhile. That's why I embarked on getting as many cues as I could before the ban started.
The head of Enforcement made it very clear there must be examples made to help "compel" compliance with the law which means "penalties".
A new law that is not vigorously enforced is a law that would only receive token compliance until people realize there's serious repercussions.
I believe that the ivory ban in CA reflects this belief and consequently, if you do get caught, do not expect or count on getting a lenient judge.
Repeal of the law has nothing to do with the Governor and the next one in CA will be Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, very popular & also democrat.
It is controlled by the state legislature and committees so it does not look good. The sole hope is the lawsuit currently underway which could
take awhile. That's why I embarked on getting as many cues as I could before the ban started.
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dom_poppa
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Certainly good advice cueaddict!...All industry ball mfgs. and cuemakers have known for years that the use of ivory, was becoming a slippery slope..It does appear that Ernie may be in for some expensive legal bills..However, based on what we know thus far, I find it hard to believe he will face any jail time, or even an excessively high $$$ fine.
A $10,000 appearance bond, is about as low as it can go..Jaywalkers may get higher!..Also, the worst lawyers in the world could find too many precedents and loopholes in the new laws, which would allow for plenty of wiggle room..I'm sure Ernie will have only the best representing him!
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He should use the Hillary Clinton defense. Mens Rea.
They won't go after a woman who broke espionage laws, whether intentionally or not, but they go after a guy who sells stuff he legally owns. OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT!
They won't go after a woman who broke espionage laws, whether intentionally or not, but they go after a guy who sells stuff he legally owns. OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT!
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