Going Up & Down The Table

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DrCue'sProtege

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I seem to have problem with this shot below. I cant ever seem to get the CB all the way back down the table for, in this case, the 9-Ball. Is there a special way to hit this shot? or is there something i shouldnt be doing? seems like the pros dont have any trouble doing this but i pretty much have to slam it real hard to get it back down the table. usually i end up around Point A.

Mike

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DrCue'sProtege said:
I seem to have problem with this shot below. I cant ever seem to get the CB all the way back down the table for, in this case, the 9-Ball. Is there a special way to hit this shot? or is there something i shouldnt be doing? seems like the pros dont have any trouble doing this but i pretty much have to slam it real hard to get it back down the table. usually i end up around Point A.

Mike

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Have you tried cheating the pocket so that you hit the ball thinner? As you probably know, when you hit an object ball thinner more energy remains with the cueball.

I'm not sure I would play the shot as you have diagrammed. Have you tried playing the 8 with top inside english and a very soft stroke?
 
dr9ball said:
I'm not sure I would play the shot as you have diagrammed. Have you tried playing the 8 with top inside english and a very soft stroke?
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Lets assume the shot HAS to be up and down the table. my diagram may not be perfect so lets assume up & down is the only way to play the shot.

Mike
 
from that angle trying to go up and down is a stun shot and your going to have to hit it harder than a normal up and down that was at a steeper angle resulting in a clip shot.

It could be that your putting too much follow on the shot, try hitting it with center ball or maybe half tip follow and just a little side spin as to which way you want to lean (left/straight/right) on your up and down travel.

-Grey Ghost-
 
You may have nailed it. I might try shooting harder with a lot of bottom. That would cause the cue ball to come off the first rail quicker. Too much top spin, that close to the rail could actually cause the cb to double hit the first cushion and effectively kill the ball.

Steve
 
pooltchr said:
You may have nailed it. I might try shooting harder with a lot of bottom. That would cause the cue ball to come off the first rail quicker. Too much top spin, that close to the rail could actually cause the cb to double hit the first cushion and effectively kill the ball.

Steve
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I know tops is not the right shot because it usually does kill the CB when I try that.

But from the angle where the CB is, wouldn't putting lots of draw pull the CB a bit towards bottom long rail and make it go towards the wrong direction? I understand the idea why draw should be used and not follow but when I try it just can't pull it off. or maybe I'm not hitting it hard enough.

nice thread btw! =)
 
As close as the ob is to the rail, the cb is almost surely going to go straight to the short rail. But, if you try it and find it heading off to the side, simply add a little bit of left, along with the bottom.

Steve
 
Try hitting the cue ball right in the center -- no follow, no draw, no side -- and see where it goes. Put most of your concentration into putting the object ball in the middle of the pocket. Gradually crank up the speed. If the angle isn't right, try a tiny bit of side spin.

It could also be that your rails are dead. If you shoot the cue ball "over the spots" (straight up and down the middle of the table), can you hit the far rail three times?
 
i don't have my own table. i'll try and see though if i can do it three times in the usual table i play on.

i'll keep working on the centre ball.
 
Top spin stopper

pooltchr said:
You may have nailed it. I might try shooting harder with a lot of bottom. That would cause the cue ball to come off the first rail quicker. Too much top spin, that close to the rail could actually cause the cb to double hit the first cushion and effectively kill the ball.

Steve
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Not about his situation but I use the too much follow double hitting the cushion as a stop shot. Works best when ob is just slightly out from pocket. Kinda flashy when it crashes the rail 2 or 3 times. I call it the stop shot with high English.
 
IMO, Grey ghost nailed it. Normally, when just clipping the edge, I might shoot a little above center to get the cue ball to run towards the far rail away from the 9. At this angle, it is key to play more center and get the nice bounce off the rail. This is a tough shot for pros also. I think a pro would leave it steeper so it is just a fast cut.

At some angle, you get to a trade off where you shoot stun with inside english to skid to within 3 - 4 inches of the rail and die coming off the rail. Then just live with the long cut on the 9.

I had one of these last night. . .a shot with no safe and sometimes it is hard to bring it with the big stroke needed for the win. Damn game anyways. That is why it is best to shoot most shots with good speed so bringing it doesn't seem like so much stroke juice. When I practice, I always practice how to get my leave with a medium stroke so both juicing it and hitting slow aren't to far of a reach. Slow pokes win a lot of games, but then when you have to bring it, it is a big adjustment.
 
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