Gold Crowns/ US made vs Import

robertod

robertod

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Can some one tell me when Brunswick stop making the GCs in the US and are the imported GCs considered inferior to the US made. Did it start with a certain model (GC III or GC IVs)?

This is my first post here and have enjoyed the wealth of information on all items related to pool.
 
Good question and I'll give this thread bump to the top to find out the answer 'cause I have no idea.
 
The Gold Crown IV & V are made in Brazil. The frames and rails are better than anything ever built by Brunswick or anyone else. Al
 
setnoc said:
The Gold Crown IV & V are made in Brazil. The frames and rails are better than anything ever built by Brunswick or anyone else. Al
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Sorry, Daimond has them beat in the rail department;)

Glen
 
setnoc said:
Time will tell. Al
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Time will tell what? That Dymond wood rails don"t dent or burn like the laminate Brunswick uses will? That Brunswick super speed cushions won"t outlast Artemis cushions? Tell what?

Glen
 
I was under the impression the Gold Crown IV were made in Mexico, China, and Brazil depending on the parts. Mexico casted the corner caps, leg levelers and the trim. The bolts and hardware and slate came from China and all the wood parts from Brazil. Then shipped to US warehouses to be coordinated. I know 100% of Brunswick home tables have been made in China for quite some time. Dont know about that table with the steel legs and cables they have. :confused:
 
Brunswick has been Chinese made since prior to 2003. The Gold Crown series up to number IV was Brazilian. Diamond's current rail tops are superior to most anybody's, but Olhausen's Accu-fast is superior to Artemis (by a little) and head and shoulders above everybody else. Vip Rubber out of California published test results showing beginning and ending resiliency tests to show the degradation of the rubber over time. Artemis showed some deterioration, Cincaro and the other Malaysian imports showed significant loss. Accu-fast showed no loss in resiliency in the same tests.
 
Cobra, what are you a Diamond Rep or what? They won't burn, peel, stick or rust and are imperivous to Superman. Maybe we should try some krytonite(unsure of the spelling). Maybe that what put a dent into those crappy rails. Diamond is trying but they will never compete with the king. BRUNSWICK GOLD CROWN
 
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Renos said:
Cobra, what are you a Diamond Rep or what? They won't burn, peel, stick or rust and are imperivous to Superman. Maybe we should try some krytonite(unsure of the spelling). Maybe that what put a dent into those crappy rails. Diamond is trying but they will never compete with the king. BRUNSWICK GOLD CROWN
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If I were you, I'd get on the band wagon to TRY and stop people from selling their GC's to buy Diamond....but you better hurry:D It's clear to me now that you're not a billiards technician;)

Glen

PS. Or a player for that matter:D
 
Next time you see a Brunswick comercial listen to the words....

...........BUILT ON AMERICAN VALUE...................
@ no time do they say made in america...


Just out of curiousity How many metric parts or metric tools are on or needed to assemble a Diamond table.... Or how many parts come from outside the U.S.A.????? I haven't touched a Diamond in awhile so this is just one of those stupid thoughts typed out again........

I also think cash to quality ratio you have to go with a Diamond....


Craig
 
What did you as a professional pool mechanic and player play on before Diamond tried reinventing the wheel with their "pro cut" pockets. Surely not a Brunswick who have been aroung since the Civil War and couldn't have a clue how to build a commercial table. They were just sitting around waiting on Diamond to build a ever so unique table to put them under. Please Cobra give it a break. When Diamond gets a couple of decades under their belt then try replying back about how wonderful these tables are because you really don't have a clue how long they will last do you, since they have been around since the Gulf War maybe? Or maybe not quite that long. LOL
 
I believe all major companies source out parts made for their products including pool tables. Its pretty hard to compete against non US labor rates. Just because some parts are made in Brazil, India, or China doesn't mean they are all bad. Their are probably more imported parts on a Chevy than a Toyota these days. Go figure. I still believe the Gold Crown is the better player and will hold the secondary resell market better in the longhaul. Diamond really doesn't have a long track history as of yet but time will tell. Go Lady Vols !!!
 
Renos said:
What did you as a professional pool mechanic and player play on before Diamond tried reinventing the wheel with their "pro cut" pockets. Surely not a Brunswick who have been aroung since the Civil War and couldn't have a clue how to build a commercial table. They were just sitting around waiting on Diamond to build a ever so unique table to put them under. Please Cobra give it a break. When Diamond gets a couple of decades under their belt then try replying back about how wonderful these tables are because you really don't have a clue how long they will last do you, since they have been around since the Gulf War maybe? Or maybe not quite that long. LOL
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You need to check your facts, because you're starting to look like you don't know anything...once again:D I asked you once already...what do you do for a living?...You haven't answered that yet;)

Glen
 
welcome to our forum renos.

None of us here are diamond reps, but we are mechanics that take
our profession pretty seriously or we wouldnt bother with this place.

We do not only talk about how a table should play but how a table
is constructed for service and longevity. It would be like buying a
car and never asking about the quality of the drivetrain.

dont get me wrong, i like brunswick. when you look at the style they
have not changed much, but take one apart and there will be some
glaring issues mechanics have with them.
 
realkingcobra said:
You need to check your facts, because you're starting to look like you don't know anything...once again:D I asked you once already...what do you do for a living?...You haven't answered that yet;) Glen
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I think we would all do well to ignore the know-it-alls that drop in from the main forum. :D
 
Dartman said:
I think we would all do well to ignore the know-it-alls that drop in from the main forum. :D
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Can I get an AMEN?! oh..... wait :eek: :confused: :rolleyes:
 
Gc

Gold Crown 3's were the first ones that were sent over seas. You can tell by the quality. They are still great tables compared to most of what is out there. The frames on the GC 3 are the worst of all of the Gold Crowns. The way they changed it from the 1's and 2's created a problem. The end pieces are just bolted on with one bolt on each side and they flex down when you are working on them. Also the rails on the 3's and 4's are much lighter weight than the 1's and 2's. 2 rails from a 1 or a 2 weigh as much or more than 3 rails from a 3 or a 4. I had a really good player that I set up his GC3 ask me why his table vibrates when you hit down on the rail hard and the GC2 at Hard Times did not. I told him it is just the quality of the table and that the GC2 might weigh as much as 200 pounds heavier than his. GC 1's and 2's have a much heavier frame, slates rails and castings than the 3's and 4's.

Steve
 
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