Grady....the Next FL?

B.J.the bandit said:
...KEITH IS IN A LOT OF BOOKS[small red ones] he forgets too !!
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What is your point, B.J. the Bandit?

You know, it's really extremely difficult for me personally to read some of the posts in a few threads lately. To preserve the dignity of this forum, I elected to not respond and/or engage in a back-and-forth, which would only feed the fire.

I am disgusted, just like Blackjack, reading the nasty comments, like the one you just posted, B.J. the Bandit, about Keith McCready and a red book. There is nothing wrong with defending someone, but when you do so at the expense of another, it's pretty sad.

It's bad enough that I have to read the verbal assaults against me AND someone close to me written by one who gives a one-sided story and then not respond or post up the other side of the story or, in some cases, the TRUTH. I'm sickened by this continuing dialogue.

JAM
 
JAM said:
What is your point, B.J. the Bandit?

You know, it's really extremely difficult for me personally to read some of the posts in a few threads lately. To preserve the dignity of this forum, I elected to not respond and/or engage in a back-and-forth, which would only feed the fire.

I am disgusted, just like Blackjack, reading the nasty comments, like the one you just posted, B.J. the Bandit, about Keith McCready and a red book. There is nothing wrong with defending someone, but when you do so at the expense of another, it's pretty sad.

It's bad enough that I have to read the verbal assaults against me AND someone close to me written by one who gives a one-sided story and then not respond or post up the other side of the story or, in some cases, the TRUTH. I'm sickened by this continuing dialogue.

JAM
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I couldn't even understand what the post meant... I had to read it three times, as too many words appear to be missing!
 
bruin70 said:
,,,,except that the mr matthews seems to be the one who brings up whatever issues are eating his innards....and all he EVER contributes to this forum is to vent gripes, promote his events, and tell us why he is doing everything right for pool and why everyone else is doing everything wrong. i personally can do without his "contribution" to azb. seems to me, grady is loudest when he has a gripe to vent.

i have to defend splinter because it seems to me that he is criticizing grady for his "contribution" here at azB. which for the largest part has been nothing short of crybabying and acting like an old curmudgeon. i too, not going back far enough, can only identify mr matthews for his COMPLAINTS here and not what he has done for the sport.

i see mr matthews as part of "the old guard"....a highly indivisualistic person who refuses to hold hands with others for the greater good,,,,CONTRARY TO WHAT HE HAS US BELIEVE. and i can only believe this because there he stands fighting everyone and telling us about it, because it's his way or the highway. this refusal of cooperation is just one barrier that pool has had to face(ie,,,mens pool) in its bid to seek mainstream acceptance. in short,,,mr matthews way is the wrong way. it is a method that propagates spirited non-cooperation, as everyone is merely out to get their piece of the pie.

it IS sad that grady has had to eat his losses in the past, but you know what,,,,that just means he's been a very bad businessman.... and who in his right mind would ever accuse a poolplayer of being a smart business entrepenuer. that kind of sad business model should have been trashed eons ago because it has only contributed to pool's lack of product.

as mens pool inches into the 21st century, and it eyes a bigger stage, it will need bigger players, not some throwback indivisual who thinks "small potatos". this also means, btw, that a lot of people will have to suck it up and sacrafice for the greater good. if things happen in the future that gets pool off the ground, i can expect almost with certainty, that people like grady will not be part of the change.
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Bruin70, wise words from an august and very seasoned forum veteran! :)

I couldn't agree with you more, especially as it pertains to men's pool in the 21st century.

Recently, I had a long conversation with a current member of the "governing body of men's professional pool." He has been a member since its inception. His opinion at this juncture is that the players themselves have no say in voting for the rules or the representatives and thought that it would be beneficial to have more of a democratic-type structure, which would include the thoughts and desires of the existing membership.

The folks behind the scenes of the upcoming Big Apple 9-Ball Challenge contacted the men's governing body of professional pool and asked them if they would want to sanction this event. The player representative responded that there was not enough time to advertise it and, thus, declined. The Big Apple 9-Ball Challenge would have been a nice addition to the men's 5-tournament tour.

Last year, one high-profile event had more expenditures just to get the thing going than it did for the added monies in the prize purse, $60,000 to rent the venue site. It was a valiant effort, though, to elevate the game in a first-class setting, but it just didn't seem to catch on, for whatever reason, and now another prospective pool sponsor bites the dust.

I don't know if pool will ever enjoy the popularity that it does in Taiwan or the Philippines. Here in the States, pool is a game. Elsewhere in the world, it is a prime-time sport. The women and the WPBA seem to have made great strides. Their payouts are now higher than the men's, and it is the lady pros who are gaining momentum here in the United States.

I'm not sure what the answer is about elevating the game/sport, but I'll continue to stay tuned and keep hoping that the best is yet to come. :)

JAM
 
alstl said:
I don't know either of these guys but I do know Grady offered to help out a guy in St Louis who is trying to relocate his pool room and getting a hard time from city hall.
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I hardly think city hall are to blame if he can't remember where he left his pool hall. See it from their perspective. It strongly suggests he was under the anfluence of ilcohol and probably abusive on the phone. I'm not surprised they wont help.

Boro Nut
 
B.J.the bandit said:
YOU HAVE NO idea what your sayin KID, GRADY IS A CLASS ACT!!!! I'VE GOT HIS BACK ALONG WITH A LOT OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD!!!! :mad,,,,,,,,,!!
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you're spitting into the wind, bj, because with pool wallowing in its miserable state for decades upon decades, there's nothing you can say that can defend how the game has been conducted and promoted. grady's only solace may be that you and "a lot of the best players in the world" have his back. fat good that does if the players are eating potatos instead of sirloin steak.
 
whitewolf said:
Actually, this has already been tried. The Washington Post had a big article about slandering and suing in regards to internet forums. Bottom line, the judge threw it out of court.

I agree with you that if Rush Limbaugh's internet site slandered someone for example, this would be admissable evidence in court.

WW
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I'm sure this issue is far from settled, regardless of what the Washington Post has proclaimed. The various interactions between technical capabilities and legal requirements will surely evolve as new situations are created by the Internet. I would be careful about what one says on the Internet, just in case, but then I am a timid prairie fellow.

Dave
 
DaveK said:
I'm sure this issue is far from settled, regardless of what the Washington Post has proclaimed. The various interactions between technical capabilities and legal requirements will surely evolve as new situations are created by the Internet. I would be careful about what one says on the Internet, just in case, but then I am a timid prairie fellow.
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They jailed a fellow in the Carolinas for spamming the Internet, and the subject of cyberspace -- homeland security, identity fraud, gambling websites (IRS hates 'em), pharmaceutical sales on the Internet -- is often on the agenda in U.S. Congress.

Some judicial body would have to figure out how to define it first, "slander" on the Internet.

JAM
 
JAM said:
Some judicial body would have to figure out how to define it first, "slander" on the Internet.
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It's not defining it that's the problem. You have to know how to do it properly first Jam. It's in the genes. The French don't call us British I slanders for nothing you know.

Boro Nut
 
DaveK said:
How much do you play them ?
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Oh at every opportunity. We cut our teeth on the French. We play them all day every day and they just don't get it. If you can't wind a Frenchman up you're not allowed to vote and they take your passport off you.

Boro Nut
 
ignore splinterhands

Ignore Splinterhands.

His name is Hunter and if you've ever met him in person, he's much more pleasant on the internet.
 
rc_collins said:
Ignore Splinterhands.

His name is Hunter and if you've ever met him in person, he's much more pleasant on the internet.
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Funny how all this got started just because I had an opinion. Too many closed minds on this board. Hunter? Where did you get that from?
 
rc_collins said:
Ignore Splinterhands.

His name is Hunter and if you've ever met him in person, he's much more pleasant on the internet.
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Now THAT'S scary!! :eek:
 
rc_collins said:
Ignore Splinterhands.

His name is Hunter and if you've ever met him in person, he's much more pleasant on the internet.
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They said the same thing about teacherman too. :rolleyes:
 
bruin70 said:
It IS sad that grady has had to eat his losses in the past, but you know what,,,,that just means he's been a very bad businessman.... and who in his right mind would ever accuse a poolplayer of being a smart business entrepenuer. that kind of sad business model should have been trashed eons ago because it has only contributed to pool's lack of product.
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To be honest, I agreed with much of what you wrtoe, but.........

The bottom line is that only a select few have attempted any kind of entrepreneurship within the confines of our sport. Only a select few work tirelessly to find way to try to make pro pool work.

If you feel Grady has been unimaginative or fiscally myopic in his pursuits within the men's pro game, that's your right.

Your suggestion that men's pro pool's business model is to let the Grady's of the pool world be its entrepreneurs puts the cart before the horse. It is men's pro pool's absence of a true business model that makes us more reliant on sole proprietors who wish to take a chance on pro pool than we ought to be.
 
alstl said:
If ignorance is bliss you must be in heaven. Here is the link.

http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=15080
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Well that just makes it worse. Instead of having any empathy for his situation that link makes it patently clear that he knew exactly where his pool hall was all the time. Quite apart from roping in an a poor old man like Grady to spuriously help him look for it, he goes and maliciously makes a nuisance of himself at city hall simply to get his own back for them having the temerity to turn down his application in the first place. There's no accounting for some people. Is it any wonder that pool is in the sorry state it is (apart from everywhere else) when there's people like me telling it like it is.

Boro Nut
 
Boro Nut said:
Is it any wonder that pool is in the sorry state it is (apart from everywhere else) when there's people like me telling it like it is.

Boro Nut
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And always remember...if you think you're going to continue to tell it like it is...you're permenantly on the headrest of the guillotine and ripe for "BANNED".
"THUNK"!!!
 
Thanks for the warning DM. I'd hate to think pool could get by quite nicely without me. Sometimes I don't think people realise it's borderline psychotics like me who've made pool what it is today.

Boro Nut
 
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