Half stainless joint sneakys new line

The King said:
Searing did you say Searing ...lol... Wow ...I don't know how many times I have told Sly he even looks and carries himself a little like Searing ... I don't know why he ever changed the logo on his cues... I agree anything Leon makes is most likley a great player ... I love a Sly cue no doubt...
My guess is because using that logo was a registered trademark infringement. You know.... like illegal.

Scott
 
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Just to clarify my following post has to deal with some of the poster's reactions and very little to do with this particular cue. Also this post in no way should be taken as negative towards Mr. Searing, he is obviously one of the elite. So by all means you don't have to read it.

I don't understand why this thread took an obvious turn for the crapper. I am not familiar with the logo situation so I do not have a real comment for that other than if there was an issue it has obviously been fixed. I personally have an older Sly cue and it doesn't have the S logo that Searing uses instead it just says SLY.

Now as for the comments about this joint not performing the same as the one Searing uses. I read Leons entire post and nowhere did he even mention Searing's name. What I read was a simple "I made this and would really like your input about the design". I thought that was a pretty simple request. I like pretty much everyone else here im sure have seen cues made by Mr. Searing with the 1/2 SS Joint, but the question I have is why is it such a big deal and why all the ball busting towards Sly trying a similiar setup on his cue. Keep in mind Leon never compaired his to Searings. I see countless cues everyday that have a traditional SS Joint so why is there no uproar about those cues. Somebody had to be the original user of the full SS joint.

Additionally when challenged with the question about the hit Leon offered to send out a demo cue for evaluation. This is when he received the "It will never be like a Searing" and maybe it wont be. {I certainly hope the price doesnt resemble a Searing anytime soon.} I just don't see the relavance of this comment especially since the poster could not have concrete evidence to back up this statement as the cue is question isnt even done yet so how can a true comparison be made.

I don't mean to step on any toes here and I am sure I will receive a few "what do you know with only 20 post" comments but that is fine. For those of you who do read this post thank you, even if we disagree. But for now let's let this thread go back to what it was originally intinded for, opinions on the style of the cue in question, and hopefully a place for the owner of the cue to post his/her comments.

I appologize for the bad spelling.
Thank you,
Easymoney1
 
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leon was asking for opinions and here they are. i believe, that's just what he wanted, right?

me myself, i really would like to try one of the half jointed cues by leon. my chances to get a searing in the next 15 years seems to be suboptimal ;)

btw. leon, i sent a pm to you
 
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Wow Jealousy rears it's ugly head ... First off my comments on Searing was a inside joke between Sly and I ... I have spent alot of time with Sly and talk to him often Searing is not even on Sly's mind he don't even talk about the man, He simplay has nothing to say about him ... My comment was said without thinking about how quick some people that have nothing better to do then nit pick love to grab the opportunity to pick someone else apart that is doing good... I apologize Sly if my joke started any of this ...

I would wonder why a man making cues would put a S on his name if his name was Rufus or Butch or Marcus or Varney ... But the man's last name is Sly why would it not be common to use S as a trademark ??? And once everyone started comparing the two S's Sly was quick to change to what in my opinion is a much better looking logo anyway... Varney made the first comment about Searing and Sly and I thought it was ironic because I know Searing is the furthest person from Sly's mind so I made a inside joke to Sly ... Bob you yourself know how Sly feels about Searing he does not idolize the man or wish to copy his work ... Bob you know this ... But some of you would rather let Varney stir the pot by bringing Searing into this after all the complaints Varney has had to deal with himself ... Marcus I like you man but you sure do find yourself smack up to your neck in alot of scandals...

Sly's work speaks for itsself it is excellent work ... Several cue makers make a half steel joint I don't see you guys calling them out ... Is there a patent on the half steel joint ??? Personally I don't like any type of steel joint but to each his own. Sly did not have to change his logo he consulted with his lawyer on the matter the two S's did have some differences and he was told that he did not have to change it ... But he chose to anyway to avoid the controversy ... Next your going to be telling him he can't use certain color veneers because they are Bushka like ... Or certain inlays because someone else used them... Heck they are already telling another case maker on here how to make his cases and label them on here. lol..Bull Hockey ...

It is ashame when you come on here and post only to have several AZ'ers PM you to tell you to watch out how you post because of the way certain AZ'ers are on here ... I've hit with a Searing and I have hit with a Sly give me the Sly any day ... Not only do I personally like the hit better but the price is alot better also ... I'm not just paying for a name ... And if I get a Sly I'm getting one hell of a player ... So when you say the hit won't be there then you have not shot with a Sly or you would not make yourself look so foolish by saying such things. It is ashame that people have to get jealous of someone doing something good and putting out a good product .They feel they have to try to damage thier business when they could not even come close to putting together the quality of cue Sly makes.
 
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Apples and Oranges

I want to say I had no idea of this "history" until seeing this thread.

but from an outside view we are talking about two very different matters.

The logo issue could actually be a problem and it appears it was researched and changed (even tho research claimed it did not have to be)

I have no idea of the hows and whys of using particular joints. (other than feel or hit changes, u find what u like)

Like other innovations and style, craftsmen take what is the past, try what is currently popular and also try what hasn't been done before. They make it their own and continue. Keep what will reinforce your preferences and style, move away from others.

I like to think this process of learning continues throughout a career.

You can apply this technique to cuemakers, casemakers, musicians, craftsmen, architects.......the list is pretty limitless

I have to chucke with some of the accusations of case style "theft" or the cue design "theft" in many threads on this board.

There seems to be a lot of conspiricy theorists around here at times.
But the drama does have a high entertainment value.

I would be interested in the hit on this cue and it looks good.
Is the stainless sleeved over the wood?
Id like to test a exotic wood jointed cue also
Feel free to send them out for me to test :grin:
But they may not come back:grin-square:
 
As to the logo 'issue'...there was some discussion of this well beyond a year ago...a search would be beneficial to many. It would also help to know BOTH sides of the story...but I will not get into the exact details here, as it has already been addressed, and the necessary changes made. Nuff said on that!

As to the joint....while Dennis is not the only maker to use a SS 1/2 joint, (Rich Benson comes to mind); he is widely regarded as perfecting his own version of it, and it is part of what makes a Searing a Searing, from a player's point of view. Not much different than the conical joint Layani is known for, or even Lambros' Ultra joint....most would consider, and rightly so, that Dennis is known for his SS 1/2 jointed cues, with regards to playability. One cannot argue that he is the most prolific at using this type of joint in his cues.

I will say that I understood Marcus' comment immediately...and I do not think it was meant as a 'slam' against Leon's version of this joint. But he is right...the only one who makes the SS 1/2 joint that plays the way that Dennis' cues are renowned for, is Dennis. Rich Benson's SS 1/2 joint plays in it's own unique way....as will Leon's. But, it will not play like a Searing.

Lisa...really hoping she didn't 'step' in it again!! (Inside joke. ;) )
 
Lisa your point is well taken ... I don't recall Sly saying he was looking for the same hit as Searing gets out of his cue , And I know you have not said that Lisa ... Sly is trying to build a name for himself and the hit of his cues is excellent in my opinion and that of many others ... I totally agree with you each cue maker has thier own distinct hit ... And Sly's cues are top of the line in my book... He don't need to copy anyone else for a hit the mans cues have a awesome hit that is all Sly's ... I'm not trying to knock Searing or any of the other great cue makers out there ... I admire many of the fancy Gina cues , Searings , Bushka's etc ..etc... But I would not buy one for one they cost to much ... They may be fine for someone who collects these types of cues but I buy cues for playability ... Plus some of the places I play at you could not take high dollar cues into .. People would be eye balling them and following you home to break in and steal them. I'm a working man and my family comes first I'm not rich by any means with the exception that I have alot of friends and family .. I'm close to my son and grandson and in that sense I'm a rich man...

For my money give me a Sly they are affordable and the hit is one of the best I have ever experienced . And I have shot with some high end cues some of which where worth quite a bit and they hit bad very bad ... And they were built by some of the older famous cue makers who are no longer alive. These cues have thier place with collectors but I play with my cues and they need to perform ...Sly's cues deliver right on cue every time ... So for me give me a Sly over many of these high priced cues ... I'm grabbing up all I can of Sly's cues before they shoot up to high ... And as a added bonus I have been able to form a good friendship with Sly because he cares about his customers he is not to big of a name or high and mighty to talk to you and treat you like you are a person...
 
The King said:
Wow Jealousy rears it's ugly head ... First off my comments on Searing was a inside joke between Sly and I ... I have spent alot of time with Sly and talk to him often Searing is not even on Sly's mind he don't even talk about the man, He simplay has nothing to say about him ... My comment was said without thinking about how quick some people that have nothing better to do then nit pick love to grab the opportunity to pick someone else apart that is doing good... I apologize Sly if my joke started any of this ...

I would wonder why a man making cues would put a S on his name if his name was Rufus or Butch or Marcus or Varney ... But the man's last name is Sly why would it not be common to use S as a trademark ??? And once everyone started comparing the two S's Sly was quick to change to what in my opinion is a much better looking logo anyway... Varney made the first comment about Searing and Sly and I thought it was ironic because I know Searing is the furthest person from Sly's mind so I made a inside joke to Sly ... Bob you yourself know how Sly feels about Searing he does not idolize the man or wish to copy his work. Bob you know this ... But some of you would rather let Varney stir the pot by bringing Searing into this after all the complaints Varney has had to deal with himself ... Marcus I like you man but you sure do find yourself smack up to your neck in alot of scandals...

Well using a similar S, even after he was asked to refrain, doesn't back up what you're saying. Funny, how he doesn't think much of Dennis, I hear he might have spoken to Dennis while learning his craft. More about that, later... Sly was "quick to change"?? This is not how it happened, you, Sly and I know that. Varney has nothing to do with this, you were eventually going to get you AND Sly called out by the way you are "pimping".


The King said:
Sly's work speaks for itsself it is excellent work ... Several cue makers make a half steel joint I don't see you guys calling them out ... Is there a patent on the half steel joint ??? Personally I don't like any type of steel joint but to each his own. Sly did not have to change his logo he consulted with his lawyer on the matter the two S's did have some differences and he was told that he did not have to change it ... But he chose to anyway to avoid the controversy ... Next your going to be telling him he can't use certain color veneers because they are Bushka like ... Or certain inlays because someone else used them... Heck they are already telling another case maker on here how to make his cases and label them on here. lol..Bull Hockey ...

It is ashame when you come on here and post only to have several AZ'ers PM you to tell you to watch out how you post because of the way certain AZ'ers are on here ... I've hit with a Searing and I have hit with a Sly give me the Sly any day ... Not only do I personally like the hit better but the price is alot better also ... I'm not just paying for a name ... And if I get a Sly I'm getting one hell of a player ... So when you say the hit won't be there then you have not shot with a Sly or you would not make yourself look so foolish by saying such things. It is ashame that people have to get jealous of someone doing something good and putting out a good product .They feel they have to try to damage thier business when they could not even come close to putting together the quality of cue Sly makes.

All I am going to add is Dennis is to likely to take the high road. But most of the bull hockey is being put out here by you. Dennis had to get the lawyer and Trademark his S, and even offered to template Sly a different logo. As far as you, what cues you like, etc.. I can tell by your list of "players" your likes and dislikes of cues have nothing to do with how they play, but more in tune to how much you want, or have, to spend. The only one doing Sly any injustice is you because now you are bringing bad press to him and it was bound to happen. Maybe if I spent the time with cuemakers on the phone that Sly did, I to could make a decent sneaky pete. But I would be giving the man credit, not trampling him by having my pimp denounce him and print half truths of the story.

JV
 
Leon's cue

Well I'm not really sure where to start, the cue is mine being made for me by Leon, before this cue had any kind of a joint myself and Leon talked about what we should put on it so Leon suggested the 1/2 ss joint so I figured what the hell lets try it.

I have never shot with one of Leon's 1/2 SS jointed cues so I figured this would be a good time to give one a shot. My Bill Mcdaniels has a 3/4 SS joint but I'm sure that the Sly cue will play different. I'm trying to figure out why people are so damn upset over this joint.

Does Dennis have a patent number on this joint if he does then there is a few cue makers that have some explaining to do but if he doesn't then those that are riding the little Dennis bus need to hope off because kissing Mr. Searings ass won't get you a cue any quicker.

Not one cue maker out there has a damn patent on their joint so if another cue maker wants to try and make it better they can, but your always going to have your haters isn't that right Mr. Loose :D
 
anyone have a link to this whole searing business?

As of yet all I see are a couple people admonishing one cuemaker with an "S" name for happening to have had a similar logo to another cuemaker with an "S" name, then a while down the road happening to make a few cues with a certain type of joint that the other cuemaker does a lot.

I mean, really?
 
Life is like a box of chocolates you never no what your going to get with a half SS JOINT KEEP EM' COMING SLY, THE BLAST FROM THE PAST WHO GIVES A $HIT
 
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JV jealousy is the root of all evil ... I have just as much of a right to say what I want to say when I want to say it as you do .... I play with what I feel comfortable with I'm not in to cues to make a living, I'm not a flipper or looking to make a buck off of someone elses name like you do ... I'm a working man so like you say I buy what I can afford and I search for the best hit I can get in a cue ... And I promise you I will put my Sly or BHQ or Jimmy Lee or Patrick that you think are junk or a poor mans cue up against your out dated Bushka's or anything else ... I intentionally sought out these cue makers becuase they are up and coming cue builders and not fossills ... They are not looking to make a mint but looking to build a cue for the player ... Not something that belongs in a glass class to never be touched again ...Like I said these antiques have thier place in a collectors world ... But some of those old cues play like Antiques and that is what they are ... Out dated pieces of art no longer meant to play with ... Sorry if the truth hurts or you feel it may hurt you making a dollar off of someone elses name .. You have butted into several of my threads and what for your opinion means nothing to me ... I'm not a collector I use my cues to play with .... You make money off your cues by selling them at inflated prices ... My cues make money for me ... I'm honest and I'm not trying to flim flam anyone ... And I'm not like you I will not look down my nose at you simply because you are trying to sell cues for 30,000 dollars nor think bad of what you consider us poor folks to be ... Nor will I kiss up to anyone to sell a cue like that and profit from it ...

Fact is either of these guys could of ran to a Lawyer and trademarked the "S" . Searing did and it just did'nt matter to Sly he simply counciled with his attorny and then chose to change the logo anyway even though he did not really have to ... And hey it looks alot better ... If your looking to spends thousands on a cue to put in a glass case go to someone like classic cues and spend your cash on something to put in a glass case and look at ... Chances are when you show it off to your guests they are going to think your a idiot for spending so much on a cue or a piece of wood .... How many Pro's do you see playing with these antiques ? If your a player looking for someone to build you a cue that is going to play lights out ...Call Leon Sly , Doug Patrick , BHQ or Jimmy Lee or someone like this that cares about building you a cue that is right for you and will be the monster player your looking for ... Guys like this care about the pool players and want to build a cue that is right for you at an affordable price ...

All this comes back to is jealousy ... If your a player and your giving your money to a up and coming cue maker that wants to build you a player and wants to put his cues in a players hands .. Then your not going into a Classic cue shop and plopping down thousands on a cue that is better to look at then it is to play with ... And your cutting into the profits of the guys that sell these antiques ... There are two types of Cues ... Just like they are two types of people in pool ... And they both go by similar sayings ... There are those that are born to play , Then there are those that born to watch ... there are cues that are made to be played with ... And there are cues that are made to be watched and admired ... Why do you buy a cue ??? Judging by your user name Classic Cues ... I would say you were born to watch...

I will promote who I want to promote if I think I know someone that makes a great cue then I'm going to tell people ... For every person like you that gets jealous over me promoting Sly's cues and says something about it .... There are 10 more people that PM me and tell me they bought or ordered a Sly and they want to thank me , That because of what I posted I helped them make the choice to buy a Sly and it is the best cue they have ever played with ... That they love it ... And they are happy I posted what I did to tell them how great Sly's cues are ... I have never had anyone PM me and tell me I was worng that Sly builds a piece of junk... Everyone has loved his cues ... The hit of his cues and how smooth the shafts are made ... Which one do you think is more rewarding to me ... The thank you's I get from people who are happy they bought a Sly and talked to Sly and found out what a great person he is or the sour , jealous , angry types like you that post and are scared a new cue maker making one heck of a cue is taking money out of your pocket... And times are hard so I imagine it is harder on you to see this happen...

Say what you will I'm a grown man and I can simply tune you out ... But no matter what I will always tell people how great a cue Sly makes ... Or Doug Patrick or anyone else who's cues I like ... Your insults do not bother me , your opinion is not even a factor to me ... All I can say is Play with a Sly or GO Hungry they are one of the best cues on the market today at an affordable price too... Sly's also have a great resale value and they sell pretty quick if you ever need to sell one to get up some money ... You can't lose anyway you go with a Sly ... This may anger some of the older more traditional guys who love the classics and sell and look to make a big profit off of them ... But hey these are the same people who screwd up our planet and goverment and have led the world to be in the shape it is in today ... Why are we listening to them??? We need to step up and make changes ... Not everyone is like that but watch AZ and watch some of the people here that feel they can tell others how and what to post what to buy and what to make and it won't take you long to figure out who I am talking about ... LOL...

Have a Good Day Classic Cues and remember God loves you too... Do you think I could interest you in buying a brand new Sly ??? I'm sure he would be willing to build one for you too ... He is a great person you know...
 
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Oldneo I remember you telling me that new cue Sly built you was the best cue that you have ever owned and had one heck of a hit to it ... It certainly is looker ... Do you still love that Sly ??? I know I love mine the man makes one heck of a cue for us poor folk that just cant afford to play with much more ...
 
Wow ...

Just want to say thank you to all of you AZ'ers for giving me all that green rep for posting how I feel about this issue and your support ... I will be up all night repaying the rep you gave me or at least till they cut me off for 24 hours .... Thank you ... It is certainly appreciated...
 
In all honesty...when I made my "Searing" comment in this thread, it was not to stir any pot or create Leon any trouble. In fact it didn't even pop into my mind the past issue about the S logo. I simply saw the cue and Searing was the first thought that I had upon seeing the 1/2 joint. Leon has plenty of right to use whatever joint he chooses in building his cues. If using anothers style of joint is a foul then there are plenty of us in penalty for building flat face cues with big brass pins. Build on Leon.:smile:
 
I know the feeling Kevin ... I did the same thing people just go to extremes on here sometimes to try to knock someone down instead of trying the build them up and do good in the world...
 
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