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It Ain't Easy Being ME

It kinda says something about this forum when guys like Scott Lee, Bob Jewett, and a few others aren't even on the first page of rep points.

Apparently, they don't know as much about pool as I do, or share their knowledge as easily and often..... imo
Doug

 

[Bob Jewett]

Apparently, they don't know as much about pool as I do, or share their knowledge as easily and often..... imo
Doug

I'll have to admit that from the first time I saw you enter the pool hall, those many years ago in Florida, I realized that there was much I didn't understand about pool.

 

[Terry Ardeno]

Apparently, they don't know as much about pool as I do, or share their knowledge as easily and often..... imo
Doug

That is irrefutable logic any way you look at it....

 

[Tom M]

Personally, I think from now on the moderator, whether it be Mr. Wilson, Chuckles, or Mike Howerton, should just execute whatever actions they deem appropriate and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER post as to why they did it.

Actions speak louder than words. They owe nobody an explanation as to their actions. Any response by a moderator is done out of courtesy.

Mike Howerton will always be the ultimate authority, but Mr. Wilson acting on Mike's behalf should just move the threads, delete the threads, create stickies, and ban posters -- WITH NO EXPLANATION TO ANYONE. When he tries to be courteous and provide an explanation, there are always those who do not agree, and some go as far as to attack his integrity. This is not fair to Mr. Wilson, to Mike Howerton, and to the forum as a whole.

JAM

That's exactly right. We are here by choice, and the moderators get to make the rules, AND they get to interpret, apply and bend them as they see fit, according to their best judgement.

I don't see why that's so hard for some to accept.

 

[DeadPoked]

That make 2 questions, who are you talking about and why are you being beligerent? Trying to join him? what gives?

I am not belligerent. I am simply becoming more confused with your arbitrary rules. I don't want to worry about the context of my post being pool related enough and possibly getting warned or banned for making an NPR post. You are setting stricter rules without defining them clearly enough so that we may follow them. If a thread or post is NPR, move it -- you are the one that determines what is NPR and you are the one with the power to move those threads. Posters should not be penalized for posting items that are overly-NPR in your opinion. This is my opinion and I do not feel I should be banned for voicing it.

My posts are still there, for the time being maybe , and I feel I have explained my reasoning clearly enough.

I will say that the only reason you should be talking about banning me is that I called av84fun ignorant and remarked about his stupidity, after he made what I felt to be an ignorant and condescending response toward one of my posts.

He seems to enjoy insitigating arguments with similar comments, which is why he was banned before.

In fact this is the comment you made to him after Mike allowed him back after you banned him.

Wrong, Mike pulled rank and allowed you back.
I have had enough of your arguments to last me forever and given the first opportunity, will see you removed perrmanently.

I would strongly advise that you turn a new leaf and avaiod any and all arguments, as it will be the end of your AZB existence.

Everyone who has issue with av8 should make further notice to Mike Howerton, as I am apparently powerless to remove this thorn.

If you ban me, you would only verify my observation that AZ is turning into a police state where the severity of punishment is not proportionate to the perceived crime.

If you are so inclined, ban away, Mr. Wilson.

 

[Terry Ardeno]

I'll have to admit that from the first time I saw you enter the pool hall, those many years ago in Florida, I realized that there was much I didn't understand about pool.

And that was awesomely funny!

(What's next....David Alciatore PhD telling "knock-knock" jokes??? )

 

[JCIN]

That's exactly right. We are here by choice, and the moderators get to make the rules, AND they get to interpret, apply and bend them as they see fit, according to their best judgement.

I don't see why that's so hard for some to accept.

The moderators DO NOT get to make the rules. The owner of the forum gets to make the rules.

I wanna know when a mod gained these god like powers. Mods are here to keep things running smoothly and to take out the trash if gets too bad. Mods start making and bending and breaking rules as they see fit and it is total mess.

 

[Fatboy]

fair enough but right now the NPR forum is a bunch of political bull shit, democrats clinton etc, its a shit hole unless you like that stuff I dont,


my girl in the pool forum was wrong too,

so whats the solution?

easy

a political forum

AND


a NPR that dosent have political stuff in it a social room

 

[James]

fair enough but right now the NPR forum is a bunch of political bull shit, democrats clinton etc, its a shit hole unless you like that stuff I dont,


my girl in the pool forum was wrong too,

so whats the solution?

easy

a political forum

AND


a NPR that dosent have political stuff in it a social room

I just submitted a semi-formal application for a moderation position to Mr. Wilson. Included was a suggestion to make a politics sub-forum of the NPR forum.

-J

 

[av84fun]

It is laughable that you accuse me of being ignorant/stupid when you don't even know the definition of "belligerent" which means...

inclined to or exhibiting assertiveness, hostility, or combativeness

Your own ignorance is exposed if you think that such epithets are not hostile and combative.

Furthermore, you don't even understand that the RULES are not "arbitrary" as you so wrongfully commented.

The enforcement of the rules MAY be arbitrary but the RULES themselves are not.

Fortunately for all members, you neither promulgate the rules or enforce them.

You have a long history of belligerent and unprovoked attacks lodged against me and it was in RESPONSE to such posts that I got banned in the first place...including threats by a poster who I do not believe to be you...of physical violence against me and my family DELIVERED REPEATEDLY TO ME CELL PHONE!!!

Without doubt, the moderators selectively and quite unfairly imposed the first ban and the second one...which was equally selective and unfair was QUICKLY recinded by management...which is only to their credit.

If the same standards that led to my bannings were applied to you, you would have been outta here LONG ago.

Finally, you have more nerve and/or less interest in maintaining your membership here by repeatedly accusing forum management of operating a police state..,.which is at once, arrogant, belligerent and incorrect.

Jim

I am not belligerent. I am simply becoming more confused with your arbitrary rules. I don't want to worry about the context of my post being pool related enough and possibly getting warned or banned for making an NPR post. You are setting stricter rules without defining them clearly enough so that we may follow them. If a thread or post is NPR, move it -- you are the one that determines what is NPR and you are the one with the power to move those threads. Posters should not be penalized for posting items that are overly-NPR in your opinion. This is my opinion and I do not feel I should be banned for voicing it.

My posts are still there, for the time being maybe , and I feel I have explained my reasoning clearly enough.

I will say that the only reason you should be talking about banning me is that I called av84fun ignorant and remarked about his stupidity, after he made what I felt to be an ignorant and condescending response toward one of my posts.

He seems to enjoy insitigating arguments with similar comments, which is why he was banned before.

In fact this is the comment you made to him after Mike allowed him back after you banned him.





If you ban me, you would only verify my observation that AZ is turning into a police state where the severity of punishment is not proportionate to the perceived crime.

If you are so inclined, ban away, Mr. Wilson.

 

[av84fun]

The moderators DO NOT get to make the rules. The owner of the forum gets to make the rules.
I wanna know when a mod gained these god like powers. Mods are here to keep things running smoothly and to take out the trash if gets too bad. Mods start making and bending and breaking rules as they see fit and it is total mess.

That is not necessarily true. Managment can and often does delegate such decisions to staff.

You may be correct that there was no such delegation here...I don't know one way or the other...do you know?


Regards,
Jim

 

[av84fun]

Apparently, they don't know as much about pool as I do, or share their knowledge as easily and often..... imo
Doug

Oh, Lord it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way.

Mac Davis

(-:

 

[Mr. Wilson]

so again, is it black and white?


Do poeple want a stricter interpretation of the rules and swift trial and execution when they are broken?


( AV8 ) would be an example, he change what he was asked. It took Mike to get him to change, but he has.
If I am not constantly being baited or challenged ( watchez ) people generally are left to their own devices if asked to stop whatever it is they are being asked to stop.

so what is it?

If you are so nihilistic that you want me to ban away....remove yourself rather than challenge me.

I don't mince words. I state clearly what I have to say and clarify if needed.


People either want to be here or they don't.

....but don't rock the boat then complain if tossed overboard.

 

[DeadPoked]

It is laughable that you accuse me of being ignorant/stupid when you don't even know the definition of "belligerent" which means...

inclined to or exhibiting assertiveness, hostility, or combativeness

Your own ignorance is exposed if you think that such epithets are not hostile and combative.

Furthermore, you don't even understand that the RULES are not "arbitrary" as you so wrongfully commented.

The enforcement of the rules MAY be arbitrary but the RULES themselves are not.

Fortunately for all members, you neither promulgate the rules or enforce them.

Without doubt, the moderators selectively and quite unfairly imposed the first ban and the second one...which was equally selective and unfair was QUICKLY recinded by management...which is only to their credit.

If the same standards that led to my bannings were applied to you, you would have been outta here LONG ago.

Finally, you have more nerve and/or less interest in maintaining your membership here by repeatedly accusing forum management of operating a police state..,.which is at once, arrogant, belligerent and incorrect.

Jim

Jim,

The only thing I care to respond from your post is above in bold red. I don't believe you intended to say that I threatened you or your family by cell phone, but the way it reads... it does. I ask that you please edit your post to reflect that I in no way ever threatened you & your family at anytime.

Thank you av84fun for editing the post.

 

[av84fun]

Jim,

The only thing I care to respond from your post is above in bold red. I don't believe you intended to say that I threatened you or your family by cell phone, but the way it reads... it does. I ask that you please edit your post to reflect that I in no way ever threatened you & your family at anytime.

After you edit your post I intend to never respond to you again and I ask the same in return.

I won't edit the post because I don't believe that is suggests what you think it does.

But for the record, you were NOT the person who lodged those threats.

As far as your decision not to respond to my posts, that is fine with me, but I reserve the right to comment on posts of any member here and I do not accept your attempt to restrict my posting decisions.

And again, for the record, I don't mind responses to any of my posts from you or anyone else...unless as has been so often the case with you, they are belligerent and antagonistic without provocation.


Regards,
Jim

 

[DeadPoked]

I won't edit the post because I don't believe that is suggests what you think it does.

But for the record, you were NOT the person who lodged those threats.

As far as your decision not to respond to my posts, that is fine with me, but I reserve the right to comment on posts of any member here and I do not accept your attempt to restrict my posting decisions.

And again, for the record, I don't mind responses to any of my posts from you or anyone else...unless as has been so often the case with you, they are belligerent and antagonistic without provocation.


Regards,
Jim

I've already had a person tell me they thought it meant you were talking about me. But you can continue to be small and petty, I espect nothing less. I am done responding to you.

 

[av84fun]

so again, is it black and white?


Do poeple want a stricter interpretation of the rules and swift trial and execution when they are broken?


( AV8 ) would be an example, he change what he was asked. It took Mike to get him to change, but he has.
If I am not constantly being baited or challenged ( watchez ) people generally are left to their own devices if asked to stop whatever it is they are being asked to stop.

so what is it?

If you are so nihilistic that you want me to ban away....remove yourself rather than challenge me.

I don't mince words. I state clearly what I have to say and clarify if needed.


People either want to be here or they don't.

....but don't rock the boat then complain if tossed overboard.

Nothing I am about to post should be interpreted to suggest that I am not appreciative of Mike's decision to recind the recent ban...because I do appreciate that.

But at the same time, I would like to keep the record straight. The recision of the ban was not based on any request for me to change. Rather, it was based on an appeal from me...repeated appeals in fact, that the ban was unfairly imposed in the first place because the posts of mine that led to it were in NO WAY any more a violation of the rules than NUMEROUS other posts in the same thread...to which I was merely responding in kind.

In the meantime, because I hold this forum in such high regard, I have bitten my tongue on many occasions and have NOT responded in kind...but with genuine respect, that is because of the uneven enforcement of the rules which can lead to one poster being banned for no more vioative posts than those that appear here on a daily basis.

I FULLY understand that the mods don't have time to review each and every thread and that reality...rather than intentional unfairness is likely what leads to such events from time to time...so this is NOT a complaint, just an observation.

Regards,
Jim

 

[UrackmIcrackm]

You have a long history of belligerent and unprovoked attacks lodged against me and it was in RESPONSE to such posts that I got banned in the first place...including threats of physical violence against me and my family DELIVERED REPEATEDLY TO ME CELL PHONE!!!

I won't edit the post because I don't believe that is suggests what you think it does.

But for the record, you were NOT the person who lodged those threats.

I don't know either of you or your history as I'm not around all that often. The only reason I'm even bothering to say anything is because a persons character has been called into question.

When I read the original post with the first quote, I can assure you that I understood that post to say that Deadpoked threatend you and your family. I was quite surprised when I read the 2nd quote because I honestly can't see how it could mean anything but that.

For the sake of this young man's character, could you please clarify what the quote actually means?

 

[Fatboy]

I don't mince words.

Hey that's my word "Mince" And I kid you not.


i'm staying out of this argument, I do agree that pool should be in the pool forum and I'm guilty of posts not realted to pool beint there, in the interest of hoping more of my friends would see the posts-thats all.

We need a political forum and then a NPR that is for a social room with NO politics or religon, this would solve the problem it isnt that hard, An extra forum isnt gonna dilute anything. So first the pool players will have a pure pool forum, second the social people can be social, and lastly and thirdly the activists, religous and political people will have their spot to argue all day and night. This format will clear up things and make AZ a more organized board overall,


My 4 cents-adjusted for inflation.

 

[av84fun]

I've already had a person tell me they thought it meant you were talking about me. But you can continue to be small and petty, I espect nothing less. I am done responding to you.

Hopefully, you mean it this time.