Here we go again - Another bad seller thread

rustysregular10

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Is it also possible we could see all of the pms? I know in previous threads ive read, the ops have posted their conversations to show what actually happened. I dont know the op or the seller, so how do we know what really went down?
 

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Read the original post again because youre all clearly not seeing it. The seller purchased the cue from another person on the false pretense that the pin was 3/8x10. Ok are you with me? Or have i lost you? The seller never used any other shaft than the one that was original to the cue. He posts the cue for sale. He knows nothing other than the info given to him by whoever he bought the cue from. The pin is similar to a 3/8x10 correct? Note i said similar. The original poster of this thread buys the cue from the seller. Ok heres where its getting tricky for you. BOTH the buyer and the seller are under the impression that this cue has a 3/8x10 pin. Notice i said both. Ok so the buyer purchases the cue with said pin. He also purchases an aftermarket jacoby shaft for the cue he has yet to recieve and even inspect. He is upset that the pin is SIMILAR to a 3/8x10 but will not fit his new shaft. So wants his money back. Seller will not refund because his statement was nothing more than what he was LED TO BELIEVE. Yes the pin is 3/8x11 but the seller did not purchase the cue new according to the op.
It isn't a matter of whether the seller intentionally misled the buyer or not. The fact of the matter is that the cue isn't as the seller described. If I buy a fake TS that the seller tells me is the real deal and I later sell it to you as such, should I be obligated to give you a refund if you find out it's a fake? According to your reasoning, I shouldn't. The same if I bought a cue that the seller tells me is ebony and I sell it to you and you find out it's stained maple. All of my favorite shafts are 3/8x10. Regardless of the cue being big pin or tapered, I can make all of my favorite shafts fit. I can't do that if the cue turns out to have a 3/8x11 pin. Also, there are cue makers that make a 3/8x10 pin in brass and some that make pins in non-metallic materials. I'm a master machinist and even I wouldn't be certain of the pin size from a normal pic. 3/8x10, 3/8x11, 3/8x14, radial, wavy, from a normal pic? I don't think so. At the very least, the seller should have apologized for his error and offered to pay the buyer for returning the shaft or to have it modified.
 

rustysregular10

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It isn't a matter of whether the seller intentionally misled the buyer or not. The fact of the matter is that the cue isn't as the seller described. If I buy a fake TS that the seller tells me is the real deal and I later sell it to you as such, should I be obligated to give you a refund if you find out it's a fake? According to your reasoning, I shouldn't. The same if I bought a cue that the seller tells me is ebony and I sell it to you and you find out it's stained maple. All of my favorite shafts are 3/8x10. Regardless of the cue being big pin or tapered, I can make all of my favorite shafts fit. I can't do that if the cue turns out to have a 3/8x11 pin. Also, there are cue makers that make a 3/8x10 pin in brass and some that make pins in non-metallic materials. I'm a master machinist and even I wouldn't be certain of the pin size from a normal pic. 3/8x10, 3/8x11, 3/8x14, radial, wavy, from a normal pic? I don't think so. At the very least, the seller should have apologized for his error and offered to pay the buyer for returning the shaft or to have it modified.

Im not disagreeing with you. Im just trying to paint a big picture of the fact that none of us but the op and the seller know the whole story. Dont hang a man before he has had a chance to plead his case. We havent heard much of anything from the seller.
 

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If the seller provided the information/specs of the cue to "The best of their knowledge, information and belief" then why are so many members quick to want to stomp the seller and call paypal, credit cards and etc???

In law there is Errors & Omissions insurance, with cues there is no such thing. If the seller had E&O insurance then the buyer could collect a whopping $25 to alter the after market shaft. But, the seller never gave any warranty implied or explicit that the butt would work with any other shafts then the ones supplied with the sale. So, are the buyers expectations realistic???

Motive of the buyer is very unclear? Does he want 25 dollars? Does he want to return the cue? He says he likes the cue and it was the principle i guess? The buyer is not saying the sellers supplied information was not based on the seller "knowledge, information and belief" and the buyer is not claiming a warranty existed that the "cue would work with any other shaft then the one supplied"!

I hate being technical but the legal standards regarding "to the best of ones information, knowledge and belief" would apply here and the lack of a warranty at time of sale regarding the items ability to function with after market parts!

If I was the buyer I would politely call or email the seller and say " Hey I feel funny about the misunderstanding with the joint. I know you did not mean any harm. I am out 25 to make the shaft work. It ain't much money, do you want to contribute to the repair/ thread alteration? it would make me feel better if you did contribute"

I think you would be pleasantly surprised by a couple dollar donation to the repair. I know 10 bucks to make a customer happy and keep the peace is not unreasonable and I would ship the few dollars and be done with the whole issue if I was the seller.

To the original poster I wish you all the best and know this is a sore spot with you and I hope the seller ships the cash for the repair/alteration and both parties can look back on the deal with no hard feelings.

KD
 

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Im not disagreeing with you. Im just trying to paint a big picture of the fact that none of us but the op and the seller know the whole story. Dont hang a man before he has had a chance to plead his case. We havent heard much of anything from the seller.

You make no sense!!!!!!

Seller is in the wrong period. I don't care who it is either. This is shitty to do someone this way.
 

warfdiesel

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If the seller provided the information/specs of the cue to "The best of their knowledge, information and belief" then why are so many members quick to want to stomp the seller and call paypal, credit cards and etc???

In law there is Errors & Omissions insurance, with cues there is no such thing. If the seller had E&O insurance then the buyer could collect a whopping $25 to alter the after market shaft. But, the seller never gave any warranty implied or explicit that the butt would work with any other shafts then the ones supplied with the sale. So, are the buyers expectations realistic???

Motive of the buyer is very unclear? Does he want 25 dollars? Does he want to return the cue? He says he likes the cue and it was the principle i guess? The buyer is not saying the sellers supplied information was not based on the seller "knowledge, information and belief" and the buyer is not claiming a warranty existed that the "cue would work with any other shaft then the one supplied"!

I hate being technical but the legal standards regarding "to the best of ones information, knowledge and belief" would apply here and the lack of a warranty at time of sale regarding the items ability to function with after market parts!

If I was the buyer I would politely call or email the seller and say " Hey I feel funny about the misunderstanding with the joint. I know you did not mean any harm. I am out 25 to make the shaft work. It ain't much money, do you want to contribute to the repair/ thread alteration? it would make me feel better if you did contribute"

I think you would be pleasantly surprised by a couple dollar donation to the repair. I know 10 bucks to make a customer happy and keep the peace is not unreasonable and I would ship the few dollars and be done with the whole issue if I was the seller.

To the original poster I wish you all the best and know this is a sore spot with you and I hope the seller ships the cash for the repair/alteration and both parties can look back on the deal with no hard feelings.

KD

I can't believe this. If I sell a cue and give wrong info it's in me. No matter what I thought I knew. If I'm wrong I'm fixing it by giving a refund or whatever the buyer needs to make the deal complete. Their it's only one way this should play out. Either give him a refund or fix the shaft of he wants. That's it.
 

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If the seller provided the information/specs of the cue to "The best of their knowledge, information and belief" then why are so many members quick to want to stomp the seller and call paypal, credit cards and etc???

In law there is Errors & Omissions insurance, with cues there is no such thing. If the seller had E&O insurance then the buyer could collect a whopping $25 to alter the after market shaft. But, the seller never gave any warranty implied or explicit that the butt would work with any other shafts then the ones supplied with the sale. So, are the buyers expectations realistic???

Motive of the buyer is very unclear? Does he want 25 dollars? Does he want to return the cue? He says he likes the cue and it was the principle i guess? The buyer is not saying the sellers supplied information was not based on the seller "knowledge, information and belief" and the buyer is not claiming a warranty existed that the "cue would work with any other shaft then the one supplied"!

I hate being technical but the legal standards regarding "to the best of ones information, knowledge and belief" would apply here and the lack of a warranty at time of sale regarding the items ability to function with after market parts!

If I was the buyer I would politely call or email the seller and say " Hey I feel funny about the misunderstanding with the joint. I know you did not mean any harm. I am out 25 to make the shaft work. It ain't much money, do you want to contribute to the repair/ thread alteration? it would make me feel better if you did contribute"

I think you would be pleasantly surprised by a couple dollar donation to the repair. I know 10 bucks to make a customer happy and keep the peace is not unreasonable and I would ship the few dollars and be done with the whole issue if I was the seller.

To the original poster I wish you all the best and know this is a sore spot with you and I hope the seller ships the cash for the repair/alteration and both parties can look back on the deal with no hard feelings.

KD

Exactly the point
 

rustysregular10

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I can't believe this. If I sell a cue and give wrong info it's in me. No matter what I thought I knew. If I'm wrong I'm fixing it by giving a refund or whatever the buyer needs to make the deal complete. Their it's only one way this should play out. Either give him a refund or fix the shaft of he wants. That's it.

Youre an idiot! The seller did not intentionally lie to make a sale. Its not the sellers responsibility to pay to alter aftermarket parts when he sold the cue with fully functional shafts. End of story.
 

warfdiesel

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Youre an idiot! The seller did not intentionally lie to make a sale. Its not the sellers responsibility to pay to alter aftermarket parts when he sold the cue with fully functional shafts. End of story.

I didn't say he lied. But it it's his responsibly to maker the buyer happy. Oh and by the way I love how you have resorted to name calling. It makes your post seem a little more reasonable since they are obviously coming from a child. Please feel free to continue the name calling. I know how it makes my six year old feel better to throw a tantrum. Just don't get to aggressive. Wouldn't want to get out in time out.
 

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Why is it such a difficult concept to grasp that if you're going to sell cues on AZB, you had better damn well know a thing or two about cues?! You do not simply rely on the information passed to you from a previous owner, unless of course, you have a Letter of Provenance from the maker. You don't get a pass for being lazy. A joint pin is an important spec...least one can do is get it right. So yes, when you get it wrong, it is a misrepresentation...whether intentional or not.

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I didn't say he lied. But it it's his responsibly to maker the buyer happy. Oh and by the way I love how you have resorted to name calling. It makes your post seem a little more reasonable since they are obviously coming from a child. Please feel free to continue the name calling. I know how it makes my six year old feel better to throw a tantrum. Just don't get to aggressive. Wouldn't want to get out in time out.

Yea because you havent been cussing me right?
 

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Too Much Drama

Point #1 - A seller is responsible to know what he/she is selling.

Point #2 - A buyer is responsible to be knowledgeable on what it is they are buying.

Point #3 - As a regular seller on eBay, I accept returns for any reason if a buyer is not satisfied and I pay the return shipping.
 

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Again, The seller did not misrepresent the cue if he bought it under the assumption it was a 3/8x10 pin. Why would he research the pin if he doesnt know its not what he was told???? Please explain it to me.

You've GOT to be kidding.

If he's going to sell something, he should double check for the next buyer.

It's irresponsible not to check something you don't know for certain that a buyer is asking about.

I honestly don't think you're being serious. There's no way you can be...
 

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If the seller provided the information/specs of the cue to "The best of their knowledge, information and belief" then why are so many members quick to want to stomp the seller and call paypal, credit cards and etc???

In law there is Errors & Omissions insurance, with cues there is no such thing. If the seller had E&O insurance then the buyer could collect a whopping $25 to alter the after market shaft. But, the seller never gave any warranty implied or explicit that the butt would work with any other shafts then the ones supplied with the sale. So, are the buyers expectations realistic???

Motive of the buyer is very unclear? Does he want 25 dollars? Does he want to return the cue? He says he likes the cue and it was the principle i guess? The buyer is not saying the sellers supplied information was not based on the seller "knowledge, information and belief" and the buyer is not claiming a warranty existed that the "cue would work with any other shaft then the one supplied"!

I hate being technical but the legal standards regarding "to the best of ones information, knowledge and belief" would apply here and the lack of a warranty at time of sale regarding the items ability to function with after market parts!

If I was the buyer I would politely call or email the seller and say " Hey I feel funny about the misunderstanding with the joint. I know you did not mean any harm. I am out 25 to make the shaft work. It ain't much money, do you want to contribute to the repair/ thread alteration? it would make me feel better if you did contribute"

I think you would be pleasantly surprised by a couple dollar donation to the repair. I know 10 bucks to make a customer happy and keep the peace is not unreasonable and I would ship the few dollars and be done with the whole issue if I was the seller.

To the original poster I wish you all the best and know this is a sore spot with you and I hope the seller ships the cash for the repair/alteration and both parties can look back on the deal with no hard feelings.

KD

This is pure BS. Where did your Law degree come from?

In law, the seller misrepresented his product. The seller represented his cue as one with a 3/8x10 joint...it was not. He could have avoided this by providing no description at all, and selling "as is", but he gave the technical specifications of the product, and did so in error. The cue was not as described.

I believe that this was an innocent mistake, one which I admit to have making in the past myself. Some pins, especially the G-10 ones and the big-nose 3/8x10 pins can be really hard to differentiate between. One of the best investments a seller can make is a cheap set of JPs in all sizes, or a set of lathe drive pins.

It is not the fact that a seller makes a mistake that is so bad, it is the way they handle it. Would the seller be satisfied if the reverse situation had happened to him?

Joe

BTW, E&O Insurance is not "in law", it is "in insurance":
Errors and omissions insurance:
Errors and omissions (E&O) insurance, which may exclude negligent acts other than errors and omissions ("mistakes"), is most often used by consultants and brokers and agents of various sorts, including notaries public, real estate brokers, insurance agents themselves, appraisers, management consultants and information technology service providers (there are specific E&O policies for software developers, website developers, etc.), architects, landscape architects, engineers, attorneys, third-party business administrators, quality control specialists, nondestructive testing analysts, and many others. A mistake which causes financial harm to another can occur in almost any transaction in many professions.
 
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warfdiesel

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Yea because you havent been cussing me right?

I never cussed you or called you names. Sure my post said shit in it. But you act as if I went on a profanity laced tirade.

But anyway I guess I can stoop to your childish ways.

I'm right and wrong. What you gonna do about it? Nana nana boo boo!!
 

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E&O insurance...for individuals selling used pool cues.....roflmao. :)

Seriously, there are many people on here trying to sell cues, etc. Some simply don't know that much about the specs of their wares. Should they know? Yes, sure....but the world is not perfect. So, it's the responsibility of the buyer to ask questions. Ask about technical specs, ask whether returns are accepted if somethig is wrongly described, ask whether the seller guarantees your satisfaction, ask for references, etc. Buyers should not assume anything. Caveat emptor, people...and that has always been the case. This is not rocket science.

Imo, this drama is uneccessary, especially without links to the item/seller in question, so the audience can see how the item was sold.

Again, this seller **should** offer a refund of the cue because it wasn't advertised correctly. The buyer probably jumped the gun on ordering the shaft. Proper communication might have steered this to a successful ending (maybe seller agreeing to pay for mod of the shaft/plug and retap for proper thread). The audience here isn't privy to all the communications to get the full picture.

Sad that this seems to drag on and on...really folks. :(
 
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E&O insurance...for individuals selling used pool cues.....roflmao. :)


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That would settle this issue, as long as the deductible isn't too high.

Response to private message:

"you're in good hands with Allstate"


This pin issue is a classic example of why there needs to be a cue & case aptitude
test, in order to obtain access to the WFS section.
For instance the seller on this deal should be ordered to do 8-hours of joint protector training before he can sell another cue on AZ.
In addition, professional sales training is highly recommended
 

rustysregular10

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Im done here. Its no use talking to you people. None of you know the real story but its ok you dont need to. I guess youre all just way too quick to jump to conclusions. Like i said before, i know without a shadow of a doubt that none of youhave researched every cue youve sold. And if you say you have then you are a liar plain and simple. There is no hope for you people.
 
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