Is it also possible we could see all of the pms? I know in previous threads ive read, the ops have posted their conversations to show what actually happened. I dont know the op or the seller, so how do we know what really went down?
It isn't a matter of whether the seller intentionally misled the buyer or not. The fact of the matter is that the cue isn't as the seller described. If I buy a fake TS that the seller tells me is the real deal and I later sell it to you as such, should I be obligated to give you a refund if you find out it's a fake? According to your reasoning, I shouldn't. The same if I bought a cue that the seller tells me is ebony and I sell it to you and you find out it's stained maple. All of my favorite shafts are 3/8x10. Regardless of the cue being big pin or tapered, I can make all of my favorite shafts fit. I can't do that if the cue turns out to have a 3/8x11 pin. Also, there are cue makers that make a 3/8x10 pin in brass and some that make pins in non-metallic materials. I'm a master machinist and even I wouldn't be certain of the pin size from a normal pic. 3/8x10, 3/8x11, 3/8x14, radial, wavy, from a normal pic? I don't think so. At the very least, the seller should have apologized for his error and offered to pay the buyer for returning the shaft or to have it modified.Read the original post again because youre all clearly not seeing it. The seller purchased the cue from another person on the false pretense that the pin was 3/8x10. Ok are you with me? Or have i lost you? The seller never used any other shaft than the one that was original to the cue. He posts the cue for sale. He knows nothing other than the info given to him by whoever he bought the cue from. The pin is similar to a 3/8x10 correct? Note i said similar. The original poster of this thread buys the cue from the seller. Ok heres where its getting tricky for you. BOTH the buyer and the seller are under the impression that this cue has a 3/8x10 pin. Notice i said both. Ok so the buyer purchases the cue with said pin. He also purchases an aftermarket jacoby shaft for the cue he has yet to recieve and even inspect. He is upset that the pin is SIMILAR to a 3/8x10 but will not fit his new shaft. So wants his money back. Seller will not refund because his statement was nothing more than what he was LED TO BELIEVE. Yes the pin is 3/8x11 but the seller did not purchase the cue new according to the op.
It isn't a matter of whether the seller intentionally misled the buyer or not. The fact of the matter is that the cue isn't as the seller described. If I buy a fake TS that the seller tells me is the real deal and I later sell it to you as such, should I be obligated to give you a refund if you find out it's a fake? According to your reasoning, I shouldn't. The same if I bought a cue that the seller tells me is ebony and I sell it to you and you find out it's stained maple. All of my favorite shafts are 3/8x10. Regardless of the cue being big pin or tapered, I can make all of my favorite shafts fit. I can't do that if the cue turns out to have a 3/8x11 pin. Also, there are cue makers that make a 3/8x10 pin in brass and some that make pins in non-metallic materials. I'm a master machinist and even I wouldn't be certain of the pin size from a normal pic. 3/8x10, 3/8x11, 3/8x14, radial, wavy, from a normal pic? I don't think so. At the very least, the seller should have apologized for his error and offered to pay the buyer for returning the shaft or to have it modified.
Im not disagreeing with you. Im just trying to paint a big picture of the fact that none of us but the op and the seller know the whole story. Dont hang a man before he has had a chance to plead his case. We havent heard much of anything from the seller.
If the seller provided the information/specs of the cue to "The best of their knowledge, information and belief" then why are so many members quick to want to stomp the seller and call paypal, credit cards and etc???
In law there is Errors & Omissions insurance, with cues there is no such thing. If the seller had E&O insurance then the buyer could collect a whopping $25 to alter the after market shaft. But, the seller never gave any warranty implied or explicit that the butt would work with any other shafts then the ones supplied with the sale. So, are the buyers expectations realistic???
Motive of the buyer is very unclear? Does he want 25 dollars? Does he want to return the cue? He says he likes the cue and it was the principle i guess? The buyer is not saying the sellers supplied information was not based on the seller "knowledge, information and belief" and the buyer is not claiming a warranty existed that the "cue would work with any other shaft then the one supplied"!
I hate being technical but the legal standards regarding "to the best of ones information, knowledge and belief" would apply here and the lack of a warranty at time of sale regarding the items ability to function with after market parts!
If I was the buyer I would politely call or email the seller and say " Hey I feel funny about the misunderstanding with the joint. I know you did not mean any harm. I am out 25 to make the shaft work. It ain't much money, do you want to contribute to the repair/ thread alteration? it would make me feel better if you did contribute"
I think you would be pleasantly surprised by a couple dollar donation to the repair. I know 10 bucks to make a customer happy and keep the peace is not unreasonable and I would ship the few dollars and be done with the whole issue if I was the seller.
To the original poster I wish you all the best and know this is a sore spot with you and I hope the seller ships the cash for the repair/alteration and both parties can look back on the deal with no hard feelings.
KD
If the seller provided the information/specs of the cue to "The best of their knowledge, information and belief" then why are so many members quick to want to stomp the seller and call paypal, credit cards and etc???
In law there is Errors & Omissions insurance, with cues there is no such thing. If the seller had E&O insurance then the buyer could collect a whopping $25 to alter the after market shaft. But, the seller never gave any warranty implied or explicit that the butt would work with any other shafts then the ones supplied with the sale. So, are the buyers expectations realistic???
Motive of the buyer is very unclear? Does he want 25 dollars? Does he want to return the cue? He says he likes the cue and it was the principle i guess? The buyer is not saying the sellers supplied information was not based on the seller "knowledge, information and belief" and the buyer is not claiming a warranty existed that the "cue would work with any other shaft then the one supplied"!
I hate being technical but the legal standards regarding "to the best of ones information, knowledge and belief" would apply here and the lack of a warranty at time of sale regarding the items ability to function with after market parts!
If I was the buyer I would politely call or email the seller and say " Hey I feel funny about the misunderstanding with the joint. I know you did not mean any harm. I am out 25 to make the shaft work. It ain't much money, do you want to contribute to the repair/ thread alteration? it would make me feel better if you did contribute"
I think you would be pleasantly surprised by a couple dollar donation to the repair. I know 10 bucks to make a customer happy and keep the peace is not unreasonable and I would ship the few dollars and be done with the whole issue if I was the seller.
To the original poster I wish you all the best and know this is a sore spot with you and I hope the seller ships the cash for the repair/alteration and both parties can look back on the deal with no hard feelings.
KD
I can't believe this. If I sell a cue and give wrong info it's in me. No matter what I thought I knew. If I'm wrong I'm fixing it by giving a refund or whatever the buyer needs to make the deal complete. Their it's only one way this should play out. Either give him a refund or fix the shaft of he wants. That's it.
Youre an idiot! The seller did not intentionally lie to make a sale. Its not the sellers responsibility to pay to alter aftermarket parts when he sold the cue with fully functional shafts. End of story.
I didn't say he lied. But it it's his responsibly to maker the buyer happy. Oh and by the way I love how you have resorted to name calling. It makes your post seem a little more reasonable since they are obviously coming from a child. Please feel free to continue the name calling. I know how it makes my six year old feel better to throw a tantrum. Just don't get to aggressive. Wouldn't want to get out in time out.
Again, The seller did not misrepresent the cue if he bought it under the assumption it was a 3/8x10 pin. Why would he research the pin if he doesnt know its not what he was told???? Please explain it to me.
If the seller provided the information/specs of the cue to "The best of their knowledge, information and belief" then why are so many members quick to want to stomp the seller and call paypal, credit cards and etc???
In law there is Errors & Omissions insurance, with cues there is no such thing. If the seller had E&O insurance then the buyer could collect a whopping $25 to alter the after market shaft. But, the seller never gave any warranty implied or explicit that the butt would work with any other shafts then the ones supplied with the sale. So, are the buyers expectations realistic???
Motive of the buyer is very unclear? Does he want 25 dollars? Does he want to return the cue? He says he likes the cue and it was the principle i guess? The buyer is not saying the sellers supplied information was not based on the seller "knowledge, information and belief" and the buyer is not claiming a warranty existed that the "cue would work with any other shaft then the one supplied"!
I hate being technical but the legal standards regarding "to the best of ones information, knowledge and belief" would apply here and the lack of a warranty at time of sale regarding the items ability to function with after market parts!
If I was the buyer I would politely call or email the seller and say " Hey I feel funny about the misunderstanding with the joint. I know you did not mean any harm. I am out 25 to make the shaft work. It ain't much money, do you want to contribute to the repair/ thread alteration? it would make me feel better if you did contribute"
I think you would be pleasantly surprised by a couple dollar donation to the repair. I know 10 bucks to make a customer happy and keep the peace is not unreasonable and I would ship the few dollars and be done with the whole issue if I was the seller.
To the original poster I wish you all the best and know this is a sore spot with you and I hope the seller ships the cash for the repair/alteration and both parties can look back on the deal with no hard feelings.
KD
HOLY CRAP this place is a freakin ZOO!
Yea because you havent been cussing me right?
E&O insurance...for individuals selling used pool cues.....roflmao.
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